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#fedora-flock: State of Fedora, Flock 2016 Edition - Speaker: Matthew Miller (mattdm)

Meeting started by jflory7 at 07:00:05 UTC (full logs).

Meeting summary

  1. Welcome, Introductions (jflory7, 07:00:19)
    1. Housekeeping notes: Refer to schedule online or on the wall for most current changes, some talks in the brochure are not correct (jflory7, 07:03:59)
    2. Get your Flock 2016 badge! Scan the QR code and/or link in the booklet (jflory7, 07:04:15)
    3. Please remember and follow the Fedora CoC (jflory7, 07:04:24)
    4. https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct (jflory7, 07:04:41)
    5. Tonight, for the walking tour, be on time!! We will leave by 6:50pm UTC+1 (jflory7, 07:04:59)
    6. Tonight, games night will also be happening (jflory7, 07:05:15)
    7. Important contact info is in the Flock booklet! Keep it on hand for if you need it. (jflory7, 07:05:45)
    8. === Social Media === (jflory7, 07:05:51)
    9. Spend some time shouting out about Flock, make some noise, raise the roof, spread the word! (jflory7, 07:06:11)
    10. Official hashtag is #FlockToFedora (jflory7, 07:06:19)

  2. Introduction (jflory7, 07:07:09)
    1. Note about statistics: Numbers generated using Fedora download and update server connections (jflory7, 07:08:30)
    2. In the interest of user privacy, but comes with caveat of potential inaccuracies (jflory7, 07:08:51)

  3. Fedora Update Server Connections (Daily by IP) (jflory7, 07:09:47)
    1. Continued upward trend over the past five releases (jflory7, 07:10:07)

  4. Installer Downloads per Week (jflory7, 07:10:35)
    1. Looking at weekly downloads for the downloads on getfedora.org (jflory7, 07:10:53)
    2. What about the downward trends toward the end of a release? Perhaps associated with the improved methods of upgrading (jflory7, 07:12:02)

  5. Edition + Spin Downloads as Percent of Total over Time (jflory7, 07:12:18)
    1. Workstation around 75% of downloads (jflory7, 07:12:28)
    2. Workstation network installer was not always tracked for downloads, but had fair popularity discovered when we were tracking that (jflory7, 07:13:05)
    3. Q: Netinstaller taking a bite from server downloads? Why? (jflory7, 07:13:30)
    4. A: Not a good answer for this, but seems there might have been some overlap with people using Server for different applications. Statistics available make it hard to determine an answer (jflory7, 07:14:02)
    5. Popular ISP is using Fedora Atomic in some prod. environments (based on discussions at RH Summit 2016), so these numbers may not be the most accurate representation (that might be the most popular version of Fedora... ever??) (jflory7, 07:15:16)
    6. === Adding in the spins === (jflory7, 07:15:24)

  6. Brief diversion into external numbers (jflory7, 07:16:12)
    1. StackOverflow has an annual survey and asked about preferred operating system environment. Windows 52.1%, OS X 26.2%, Linix 21.7% (jflory7, 07:16:50)
    2. Breakdown of Linux flavors: Top 4, Fedora at 1.3% (jflory7, 07:17:09)

  7. Fedora Project is more than just an operating system (so here's some more numbers) (jflory7, 07:18:41)
    1. Q: How big is the Fedora contributor community? (jflory7, 07:18:52)
    2. We have a message bus, fedmsg, which generates activity and can be responded to by people or applications (jflory7, 07:19:11)
    3. Looked at for generating information about our community. Many, many, many numbers made! (jflory7, 07:19:34)
    4. 2000+ contributors with at least some activity (jflory7, 07:19:43)
    5. 800 users active in at least two areas (jflory7, 07:19:51)
    6. 300 users active in all three counted activities (jflory7, 07:20:00)
    7. Counted activities: Bodhi, dist-git, wiki (jflory7, 07:20:10)
    8. Q: Does everyone work for Red Hat? (jflory7, 07:21:45)
    9. A: Contributors with @redhat.com address 26%, Red Hatters sneakily using other domains 9%, everyone else 65% (jflory7, 07:22:12)
    10. These numbers generated manually at times, a lot of the 9% were contributors who started contributing outside of Red Hat and came along later (jflory7, 07:22:58)

  8. Number of contributors providing feedback on package updates each week (jflory7, 07:23:20)
    1. Grouped quarterly activity level of each contributor (jflory7, 07:23:34)
    2. People responsible for the top percentage of fedmsg hits do about 20% of the work, roughly (jflory7, 07:24:27)
    3. Top 10% cumulatively do about 2/3 of the work (jflory7, 07:25:05)
    4. Inaccuracy of dataset: there is a user used for mass rebuilds of packaged, which explains massive skew at some points (jflory7, 07:25:42)
    5. Casual contributors usually drop off steeply around Christmastime or so (jflory7, 07:26:21)

  9. General observations / stats (jflory7, 07:26:46)
    1. === Percent of update feedback each week by time since packager's first action === (jflory7, 07:26:57)
    2. Constant influx of new people with Bodhi feedback, but large majority is done by people who have been around for a user (jflory7, 07:27:16)
    3. === Spam edits per week === (jflory7, 07:28:31)
    4. We've been under heavy attacks by spammers in recent months, impeded some progress in places like higher restrictions on wiki edits, but puiterwijk / basset have helped keep this activity to a minimum (jflory7, 07:29:05)
    5. === Fedora Magazine page views per month === (jflory7, 07:29:18)
    6. Nice upward trend over time (jflory7, 07:29:27)
    7. Fedora releases are peaks in the data (jflory7, 07:29:31)
    8. Lot of growth in content and types of articles available (jflory7, 07:29:40)

  10. Big Goals for 2016 (jflory7, 07:29:50)
    1. mattdm: "I do not set the goals for Fedora - as Fedora leadership and Council, try to discern collective goals of everyone in this room and those who could not be here today in the community" (jflory7, 07:30:38)
    2. Lots of the talks are helping show that and not just ideas I'm pulling out of my head, but ideas we're working on together (jflory7, 07:30:55)
    3. If a release is short or long, we're trying to keep / stick to it (jflory7, 07:31:31)
    4. === Modularity === (jflory7, 07:32:27)
    5. Started at Flock years ago about "Fedora rings" (jflory7, 07:32:55)
    6. Changing how the distribution is put together in the future, thinking of Legos (jflory7, 07:33:17)
    7. Things in reality and not just concepts, a lot of the work langdon has been helping lead with in recent months (jflory7, 07:33:40)
    8. Creating Fedora modules, similar to packages (jflory7, 07:33:53)
    9. === University outreach === (jflory7, 07:34:27)
    10. Bringing new people and developers into the flock (jflory7, 07:34:43)
    11. === Fedora Loves Python === (jflory7, 07:34:48)
    12. New marketing initiative to not focus on "developers" and being broad, focusing on smaller bit and building on existing positive relationships could be useful to help focus and target our efforts (jflory7, 07:35:20)
    13. Ongoing efforts to attract Python developers to the distribution and community (jflory7, 07:35:35)
    14. === Fedora Hubs === (jflory7, 07:36:32)
    15. Core of activity is on Hubs and mailing list, but often completely invisible to people on the outside world (jflory7, 07:36:45)
    16. Hubs will help make Fedora contributions and activity visible to Internet and making our contributions public (jflory7, 07:37:55)

  11. === Fedora Atomic === (jflory7, 07:38:01)
    1. https://projectatomic.io (jflory7, 07:38:09)
    2. Containerized bits of operating system is likely future of the operating system across editions (jflory7, 07:38:32)
    3. Lots of bleeding edge tech in Atomic and experimenting with crazy ideas - we like to play with leading edge (see: Foundations, Features/First) (jflory7, 07:39:07)
    4. Looking at OpenShift: not just a container system, but a host cluster system (jflory7, 07:39:23)
    5. === Flatpak === (jflory7, 07:40:12)
    6. Similar technology, method for distributing desktop apps, trust they won't take over system, install once install anywhere (jflory7, 07:40:40)
    7. Talk about future of Fedora Workstation which will likely introduce Flatpak (jflory7, 07:40:58)
    8. Ongoing Council discussion about people outside of Fedora creating Flatpaks for Fedora users (jflory7, 07:41:12)

  12. So, questions? (jflory7, 07:41:25)
    1. Special shout-out to Stephen Smoogen (smooge) and Ralph Bean (threebean)for helping generate statistic (jflory7, 07:41:52)
    2. Thanks to all those helping with each release, Fedora would not be the awesome community without all of you (jflory7, 07:42:10)
    3. HELP: We need help transcribing IRC meetings, like this! (jflory7, 07:42:30)
    4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock/Volunteers2016 (jflory7, 07:43:19)
    5. Q: "Do you have any stats on packages that make it to stable from Bodhi? I think that would be interesting" (jflory7, 07:43:45)
    6. A: Likely available, not generated at time of presentation - "things to work on slides" (jflory7, 07:44:18)
    7. http://bit.ly/flock16help (puiterwijk, 07:44:33)
    8. Q: "Do we have any statistics on whether or not the University Involvement Initiative has impacted growth in the project?" (jflory7, 07:44:39)
    9. A: No hard data available, Fedora Women's Day which was successful fits along with improving diversity efforts. There is a large survey being worked on for contributor community to best understand our community as well. (jflory7, 07:45:13)
    10. Q: "Do you have any stats on how people are using Fedora as compared to other stats in the presentation?" (jflory7, 07:46:07)
    11. A: No, not available (see: privacy concerns), but still able to discern patterns from downloads and upgrade activity (jflory7, 07:46:41)
    12. Q: Activity regarding contributor and user activity in the project (jflory7, 07:47:29)
    13. A: For community, we have field in FAS account to understand where our contributors come from (available but not measured at this time), some regional data for users can be discernable but difficult to measure due to regional issues, e.g. connection speeds and strength affecting number of connections (jflory7, 07:48:26)
    14. Q: "Is the information on fedmsg a major privacy threat with how public it is?" (jflory7, 07:48:38)
    15. A: Reasons for not more invasive data is being careful about privacy, data is very valuable for understanding our project but also privacy is a major concern too - this is an ongoing discussion in the Council (jflory7, 07:49:36)

  13. Conclusion (jflory7, 07:49:40)
    1. Thanks for being here everyone and have a great Flock! (jflory7, 07:49:52)
    2. HELP: SPEAKERS: Note, there are laptops available for the sole purpose of recording your talks! Make sure you're recording a video and start AND stop your talks when recording! Try testing before your talk! We want to upload all talks to YouTube post-Flock, so make sure you get your talk recorded for our remote contributors and interested users! (jflory7, 07:50:48)


Meeting ended at 07:51:09 UTC (full logs).

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