07:21:53 <mchua> #startmeeting
07:21:53 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Oct  6 07:21:53 2010 UTC.  The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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07:22:00 <mchua> #meetingname POSSE SA day 3
07:22:00 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'posse_sa_day_3'
07:22:19 <mchua> #chair liknus jwildeboer michaelgraaf gruntus micadeyeye boniface kruben
07:22:20 <zodbot> Current chairs: boniface gruntus jwildeboer kruben liknus mchua micadeyeye michaelgraaf
07:22:53 <liknus> Good morning all :)
07:23:08 <mchua> Morning everyone!
07:23:20 <mchua> It's mid-week, so I have some blog posts for folks to read as they're getting started.
07:23:24 <mchua> They're posts by prior POSSE professors.
07:23:36 <mchua> I'm going to be paying extra attention to transcribing here today, since gruntus is remote.
07:24:42 <liknus> I am going to to my best in identi.ca also :)
07:24:46 <mchua> #topic Morning readings
07:24:52 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_South_Africa#Wednesday_readings
07:27:08 <mchua> #info The full list of blogs is here:
07:27:10 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_Blogs
07:27:14 <micadeyeye> hi mel
07:27:21 <micadeyeye> you wanted me to talk this morning
07:27:23 <mchua> Hey, micadeyeye . I'm going to try to get everyone started in a moment.
07:27:26 <mchua> micadeyeye: Yep yep.
07:28:01 <micadeyeye> great. i am putting together some blogposts.
07:28:06 <mchua> micadeyeye: How about 11am, right before lunch, when everyone is about to pick their final projects?
07:28:20 <mchua> micadeyeye: I have some listed here, http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_South_Africa#Wednesday_readings
07:28:23 <micadeyeye> no problem.
07:28:37 <mchua> micadeyeye: for starters. and was thinking of asking people to start reading now, spend a few minutes doing that.
07:29:07 <mchua> jwildeboer, liknus: I'd like to move towards the schedule for today soon :)
07:31:11 <mchua> http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_South_Africa#Wednesday_readings
07:31:30 <mchua> http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_Blogs
07:31:44 <mchua> hey boniface!
07:31:53 <mchua> boniface: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_South_Africa#Wednesday_readings
07:32:11 <mchua> michaelgraaf: read Matt Jadud and Christian Jacobsen, in particular.
07:32:38 <kruben> good morning good people!!
07:32:38 <mchua> kruben: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_South_Africa#Wednesday_readings
07:37:26 <mchua> #info For remotees/those reading logs, what we're doing right now is everyone is taking 15 minutes to read a few blog posts - then we'll come back and figure out which posts each person read, and what thoughts we have about them.
07:37:34 <mchua> #info then we'll look at the schedule for today, and start today. :)
07:38:48 <mchua> ctyler: Oh! Sorry, I left the name= part of the new feeds, I'll fix those now.
07:39:11 <mchua> kruben: speaking of which, where's your blog? :)
07:39:24 <micadeyeye> i just read some of the posts.
07:39:46 <mchua> ctyler: should be fixed, we'll see soon. :)
07:40:09 <micadeyeye> you want us to pick a project to work on. right?
07:40:41 <kruben> mchua: work in progress :-) will write some soon..
07:40:42 <micadeyeye> am thinking that it would be related to SOAS
07:41:35 <mchua> kruben: cool, let us know if you need help getting set up :) we're asking people here to blog once at the end of each day (that's why we have 3-3:30pm each day reserved for that).
07:41:40 <micadeyeye> am i could see this opportunity to fix a build error i am having.
07:41:57 <micadeyeye> am->and*
07:42:02 <mchua> micadeyeye: that would be cool! liknus also works on spins, so maybe he can help you there as well.
07:42:37 <mchua> micadeyeye: I work on SoaS, but not on the release engineering / spins compose component, but I can point you to things for that particular project and hopefully liknus and others can help fill in the rest.
07:42:40 <micadeyeye> boniface: what virtualization tool do you use?
07:42:54 <liknus> micadeyeye, sure.. plz tell me where I can help :)
07:43:09 <micadeyeye> mchua: please do.
07:43:20 <liknus> boniface, you need to try QEMU under Fedora :) It rocks...
07:43:22 <mchua> micadeyeye: Okay. I'll make a liveusb for you of soas at lunch today, too.
07:43:41 <micadeyeye> okay, i am referring to FF build on Ubuntu 10.04.
07:44:00 <micadeyeye> can i work on that?
07:44:53 <micadeyeye> liknus: you need to work me through packaging later today.
07:45:31 <micadeyeye> liknus: i might have to install fedora on my machine, as you said.
07:45:38 <liknus> micadeyeye, you can work with Ubuntu...the thing is that we are not going to be able to deeply help you... (in case something weird happens)
07:46:03 <liknus> micadeyeye, you should have fedora, for packaging yeap :)
07:46:08 <micadeyeye> no problem.
07:46:09 <mchua> for packaging for Fedora, anyway :)
07:46:20 <liknus> mchua, right :)
07:46:37 <liknus> weird....we are talking through IRC :P
08:08:53 <mchua> #info We just brainstormed (in-person) ideas for projects.
08:09:09 <mchua> #note gruntus and others - when you come back, ping me online and we'll figure out what you're going to do. :)
08:09:21 <mchua> #agreed kruben and jwildeboer will pair on finding a ticket and making a patch
08:10:24 <mchua> #agreed michaelgraaf and mchua will pair on setting up a structure for contribution around an existing project, using his thesis codework as an example.
08:11:17 <mchua> #agreed micadeyeye, boniface, and liknus will work on packaging and release management, finding a packaging request and creating an .rpm for it.
08:11:27 <mchua> gruntus: Hey! Perfect timing. :) Got a moment while everyone else is drinking coffee?
08:11:46 <gruntus> hi all - yup got a couple of moments right now
08:12:00 <micadeyeye> ftp://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/pub/linux/
08:12:07 <mchua> gruntus: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teachingopensource/2010-10-06/posse_sa_day_3.2010-10-06-07.21.log.txt
08:12:10 <mchua> gruntus: that's the log of today so far
08:12:23 <gruntus> great - thanx
08:12:24 <mchua> gruntus: I'll put out a few links for you, but what I want to talk about right now is the project you'll be working on today and tomorrow, and ideas for that.
08:12:34 <mchua> oh, hang on
08:12:37 <mchua> #topic coffee break
08:12:41 <mchua> there we go :)
08:12:45 <mchua> gruntus: we started with http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_South_Africa#Wednesday_readings
08:12:59 <gruntus> ok - saw that
08:13:00 <mchua> everyone spent a few minutes reading whatever blog posts from there they wanted, to get a sense of what prior POSSE alumni have thought and done.
08:13:13 <mchua> and then we discussed that, and brainstormed some project ideas.
08:13:21 <gruntus> sounds good
08:13:26 <mchua> Did you have anything in mind that you wanted to work on in the next few days?
08:13:38 <mchua> To recap - kruben and jwildeboer will pair on finding a ticket and making a patch
08:13:52 <mchua> michaelgraaf and mchua will pair on setting up a structure for contribution around an existing project, using his thesis codework as an example.
08:14:03 <mchua> micadeyeye, boniface, and liknus will work on packaging and release management, finding a packaging request and creating an .rpm for it.
08:14:20 <mchua> and we also talked about other things we'd like to do, but perhaps later - setting up mirrors, hosting a translation party, remix creation...
08:14:28 <gruntus> Today will only allow me to work from time to time, so possibly doing some work on the translations that we saw yesterday would be easiest
08:14:48 <mchua> ...which are all things we're going to figure out how to move forward with at the end of thurs, start of fri, based on the resources you have here locally and how we can continue to work with you and support you remotely
08:14:53 <mchua> (with occasional in-person visits, hopefully ;)
08:15:10 <mchua> gruntus: Okay, that would work! Which translation were you thinking of?
08:15:35 <mchua> gruntus: That would actually be great, because then you'd be in a good position to help us think about a multi-university translation hackathon tomorrow.
08:15:51 <gruntus> Well, my Afrikaans is very good - totally fluent - so that would be easiest
08:16:20 <gruntus> Maybe liknus haas a suggestion as to where the need is greatest
08:16:43 <gruntus> liknus: any suggestions?
08:16:50 <liknus> ok gruntus :)
08:17:00 <mchua> gruntus: I was guessing Afrikaans. :) That would be awesome.
08:17:15 <liknus> so the thing is that right now we are done with packages translations
08:17:30 <liknus> (3 weeks now)
08:17:38 <gruntus> ok, so what's still out there?
08:17:50 <liknus> and right now we are dealing with Documentation :)
08:18:00 <gruntus> Documentation is fine
08:18:05 <mchua> liknus: one angle to take here is to think - "if I were holding an Afrikaans translation FAD, what would I do right now to prepare for it?"
08:18:11 <mchua> what would I look at, what questions would I ask, etc.
08:18:11 <liknus> and also there are always the Websites that have no schedule
08:18:22 <mchua> because that's what I'd suggest, actually :) we have FAD funding exactly for that sort of thing.
08:18:40 <mchua> liknus: Oo, websites! Websites would get pushed live before the end of the week, we could have immediate results with that.
08:18:58 <gruntus> Yeah - websites sounds good
08:19:28 <liknus> ok so gruntus I have a nice idea :)
08:19:29 <gruntus> Anybody got a good website starting point?
08:19:39 <gruntus> Cool!
08:19:44 <mchua> gruntus: and then by the end of the week, when we all leave, you'll be able to show everyone the core Fedora websites in Afrikaans - that would be *awesome*
08:19:56 <gruntus> Absolutely
08:19:56 <liknus> how about translating http://start.fedoraproject.org ?
08:19:57 <mchua> and very useful to folks here in terms of being able to use/participate in FOSS, it seems :)
08:20:11 <liknus> thats the start page for Firefox in every Fedora machine :)
08:20:29 <gruntus> Ok am loading it in browser
08:20:38 <mchua> Another one I'd look at would be http://fedoraproject.org/index.html
08:20:58 <mchua> because it doesn't look like we even have the description or the mission statement of Fedora translated
08:21:02 <mchua> (I could be wrong, but I can't find it)
08:21:02 <liknus> mchua, thats the MAIN branch right :)
08:21:22 <liknus> ok let me give you the links in Transifex
08:21:22 <mchua> And then, more ambitiously...
08:21:24 <mchua> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join
08:21:27 <mchua> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate
08:21:31 <mchua> (they're wiki pages though)
08:21:46 <liknus> wiki is not set yet for translations :P
08:21:50 <liknus> we are getting to that
08:22:18 <liknus> right now we are testing the translation process in wiki (it does not involve Transifex tough)
08:22:41 <liknus> so lets stick with start and main :)
08:22:45 <liknus> ok gruntus ?
08:23:07 <gruntus> Ok on http://fedoraproject.org/index.html I see a docs link at left - is that where I should be going?
08:24:34 <liknus> nope wait :)
08:24:44 <gruntus> liknus: have found http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject
08:24:48 <liknus> we are doing translations through Transifex
08:25:04 <liknus> the link you posted is where the Docs *end* up
08:25:14 <gruntus> right
08:25:15 <liknus> but we translate them through transifex
08:25:20 <gruntus> ok
08:25:52 <gruntus> Entry url?
08:26:00 <liknus> ok
08:26:02 <liknus> #link https://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/l/af/collection/c/fedora/r/websites/
08:26:10 <liknus> so this is the Afrikaans page for translations
08:26:23 <gruntus> loading...
08:26:38 <gruntus> ok gottit
08:26:51 <liknus> the thing is that someone like me (mentor/committer) must set it up first because they where no translations in the past
08:27:01 <gruntus> yes I see that
08:27:07 <liknus> give me 10 minutes and I should have the af.po ready for translations :)
08:27:08 <liknus> ok?
08:27:25 <mchua> liknus: If you can do that in the background while I go through ticket trackers, etc. here that would be great.
08:27:32 <gruntus> liknus: yes - thanks
08:27:40 <liknus> ok
08:27:41 <mchua> then I can come back in here while Michael is talking and write notes to catch gruntus up, since he and you will be doing his project setup now.
08:27:44 <mchua> does that sound all right to you both?
08:27:48 * liknus diving into .pot to po :)
08:27:52 <gruntus> Perfect
08:27:55 <mchua> w00t
08:28:02 <mchua> I'll leave this in "coffee break" mode now then :)
08:28:11 <mchua> you're both chairs, so take #notes and make #links and #actions if needed ;)
08:28:25 <gruntus> Ok - I also need a coffee break
08:30:30 <antoinevg> *meep* So...
08:30:43 <antoinevg> More or less where on campus are y'all hiding out?
08:30:57 <antoinevg> :)
08:31:33 <kruben> Dance floor (top floor) Roeland St Campus
08:32:16 <antoinevg> Tx kruben - is there a number I can call when I get there and (predictably) manage to get myself lost? :)
08:33:20 <kruben> antoinevg: you can call me on 0828853884 if lost
08:33:38 <liknus> ToDo list is a ticketing system :)
08:34:00 <antoinevg> kruben: awesome
08:36:02 <kruben> antoinevg: sorry - more specifically its the boardroom on the top floor, roeland st campus
08:37:08 <antoinevg> kruben: Great! See y'all soon!
08:39:10 <kruben> defintion of a ticket again?
08:40:12 <jwildeboer> ticket = reference number (typically) to a collection of information related to a problem.
08:40:38 <micadeyeye> liknus: got fedora12 there?
08:41:05 <jwildeboer> Heh. Already found a bug while setting up pastebin on my laptop. We can check if it is in Bugzilla already. If not, we can create a bugzilla and propose a patch.
08:41:41 <mustafaj> micadeyeye: hi Michael
08:43:05 <jwildeboer> Can s/o check if http://10.42.43.13/pastebin works?
08:43:42 <kruben> Anyone knows what anaconda component does?
08:43:51 <mustafaj> negative jwildeboer
08:44:44 <liknus> negative jwildeboer (dead host)
08:44:50 <gruntus> its an installer right?
08:44:56 <liknus> micadeyeye, only fedora 13
08:45:32 <jwildeboer> OK. Lemme check.
08:46:35 <micadeyeye> jwildeboer: nope, the link doesn't work.
08:46:54 <gruntus> As far as I know Anaconda is a RedHat and Fedora installer
08:47:31 <liknus> gruntus, yeap :) thats it
08:47:31 <jwildeboer> Can s/o try again now?
08:47:42 <liknus> So gruntus ... take a look on that now :
08:47:44 <liknus> #link https://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/l/af/collection/c/fedora/r/websites/
08:48:02 <gruntus> loading...
08:48:19 <liknus> jwildeboer, works nicely :)
08:48:20 <jwildeboer> Coolness :-)
08:48:22 <micadeyeye> jwildeboer: what's it?
08:48:25 <gruntus> Ok - gottit
08:48:57 <liknus> so gruntus you can see I initiated two packages for translations
08:49:14 <jwildeboer> mchua:  http://10.42.43.13/pastebin
08:49:30 <liknus> You remember the process? Download .po, translate it with poedit, send it to me and I will upload it :)
08:49:31 <liknus> ok?
08:49:47 <gruntus> ok I see master start and master fedora
08:50:08 <liknus> By the end of the day we will have core websites translated and I will get you sponsored to commit access
08:50:20 <mchua> http://10.42.43.13/pastebin/2
08:50:41 <gruntus> liknus: what should I do next?
08:51:06 <micadeyeye> pastebin.mozilla.org also exists.
08:51:30 <liknus> Download the .po files with the little icon on the right of the package
08:51:32 <mchua> http://fpaste.org/j35O/
08:51:49 <mchua> http://pastebin.com
08:52:05 <liknus> gruntus, also get poedit and set it up (name, email and language) and start translating :)
08:52:14 <liknus> gruntus, no worries if you cannot get it all
08:52:23 <mchua> http://10.42.43.13/pastebin/3
08:53:20 <gruntus> liknus: ok have downloaded .po files
08:53:27 <liknus> gruntus, keep in mind that when you see something like that: %s or /n or &a etc please leave it as it is (copy it to be sure) because these are placeholders for variables or formatting things
08:53:53 <gruntus> I undersatnd - thanx for the heads up
08:54:10 <liknus> (also you might encounter some <a href> etc.. also leave them ok and just change the text inside)
08:54:29 <gruntus> Yeah ok
08:54:45 <liknus> gruntus, anything you need just ping me :)
08:55:02 <gruntus> Thanks liknus
08:55:36 <liknus> micadeyeye, ok I am done for now for translations...(till gruntus comes back on that) shall we work on your project?
08:56:43 <mchua> .bug 628235
08:56:45 <zodbot> mchua: Bug 628235 Anaconda installer crashes with latest updated anaconda on Fedora 13 remix - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=628235
08:57:16 <jwildeboer> gruntus: we can file a bugzilla on pastebin - the sql file is broken and I have a working version.
08:57:17 <liknus> more neat stuff here :
08:57:20 <liknus> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot
08:57:52 <micadeyeye> zodbot: what is a bug?
08:57:52 <zodbot> micadeyeye: No such package exists.
08:58:15 <micadeyeye> zodbot: what is firefox?
08:58:15 <zodbot> micadeyeye: No such package exists.
08:58:21 <liknus> zodbot, what is anaconda
08:58:21 <zodbot> liknus: No such package exists.
08:58:21 <mchua> .what firefox
08:58:25 <zodbot> mchua: firefox: Mozilla Firefox Web browser
08:58:34 <liknus> .what pino
08:58:34 <zodbot> liknus: pino: A fast, easy and free Twitter client
08:58:36 <mchua> .what irssi
08:58:38 <zodbot> mchua: irssi: Modular text mode IRC client with Perl scripting
08:58:44 <jwildeboer> .what pastebin
08:58:44 <zodbot> jwildeboer: pastebin: A collaborative debugging tool
08:59:06 <micadeyeye> .what bug
08:59:06 <zodbot> micadeyeye: No such package exists.
08:59:11 <jwildeboer> .what bugzilla
08:59:12 <zodbot> jwildeboer: bugzilla: Bug tracking system
08:59:33 <liknus> .fas micadeyeye
08:59:33 <zodbot> liknus: 'micadeyeye' Not Found!
08:59:42 <liknus> .fas mchua
08:59:42 <zodbot> liknus: mchua 'Mel Chua' <mel@redhat.com>
08:59:45 <jwildeboer> .fas jwildeboer
08:59:47 <zodbot> jwildeboer: jwildeboer 'Jan Wildeboer' <jwildebo@redhat.com>
08:59:50 <liknus> .fas ppapadeas
08:59:50 <zodbot> liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' <ppapadeas@gmail.com>
09:00:14 <micadeyeye> .micadeyeye
09:00:27 <mchua> .whoowns pastebin
09:00:31 <zodbot> mchua: orphan
09:00:39 <micadeyeye> .fas micadeyeye
09:00:39 <zodbot> micadeyeye: 'micadeyeye' Not Found!
09:00:40 <mchua> .whoowns firefox
09:00:43 <zodbot> mchua: gecko-maint
09:00:59 <mchua> .whoowns bugzilla
09:01:02 <zodbot> mchua: itamarjp
09:01:14 <mchua> .whoowns backula
09:01:14 <zodbot> mchua: No such package exists.
09:01:18 <jwildeboer> .whoowns bacula
09:01:18 <zodbot> jwildeboer: ixs
09:01:19 <mchua> .whoowns bacula
09:01:22 <zodbot> mchua: ixs
09:01:28 <jwildeboer> .fas ixs
09:01:28 <zodbot> jwildeboer: jpmcd 'John Patrick McDonough' <jp@is-sixsigma.com> - johnhixson 'john l hixson' <johnhixson@hotmail.com> - jcho 'JImmy Cho' <jcho@radixsystems.com> - moixs 'Steven Moix' <steven.moix@axianet.ch> - fizixs 'Francisco Cardenas' <franky@fizixs.com> - johnklehm 'John Klehm' <xixsimplicityxix@gmail.com> - ixs 'Andreas Thienemann' <andreas@bawue.net> - sixseve '' <patrick@woodworth.org>
09:01:30 <mchua> .what bacula
09:01:36 <zodbot> mchua: bacula: Cross platform network backup for Linux, Unix, Mac and Windows
09:02:16 <liknus> .seen ixs
09:02:16 <zodbot> liknus: I have not seen ixs.
09:02:25 <mchua> .fasinfo ixs
09:02:26 <zodbot> mchua: User: ixs, Name: Andreas Thienemann, email: andreas@bawue.net, Creation: 2005-06-25, IRC Nick: ixs, Timezone: Europe/Berlin, Locale: en, Extension: 5100191, GPG key ID: 6CEFC1F9, Status: active
09:02:30 <zodbot> mchua: Approved Groups: func cla_done fedorabugs cla_fedora cvsl10n +packager provenpackager
09:02:49 <micadeyeye> .seen boniface
09:02:49 <zodbot> micadeyeye: boniface was last seen in #teachingopensource 1 day, 0 hours, 11 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <boniface> Whether centalised and distributed ..conflicts are a reality ..where do you get less  ..or rather where are conflicts better managed
09:03:14 <liknus> .fasinfo ppapadeas
09:03:15 <zodbot> liknus: User: ppapadeas, Name: Papadeas Pierros, email: ppapadeas@gmail.com, Creation: 2008-04-28, IRC Nick: liknus, Timezone: Europe/Athens, Locale: en, Extension: 5104071, GPG key ID: 6130DBF8, Status: active
09:03:19 <zodbot> liknus: Approved Groups: designteam gitspin-kickstarts ambassadors +cvsl10n freemedia cla_fedora cla_done l10n-commits
09:03:58 <boniface> .what openmrs
09:03:58 <zodbot> boniface: No such package exists.
09:04:03 <jwildeboer> .fasinfo jwildeboer
09:04:05 <zodbot> jwildeboer: User: jwildeboer, Name: Jan Wildeboer, email: jwildebo@redhat.com, Creation: 2008-01-25, IRC Nick: jwildebo, Timezone: Europe/Berlin, Locale: en, Extension: 5103024, GPG key ID: 3AC3C8AB, Status: active
09:04:10 <zodbot> jwildeboer: Unapproved Groups: patentreview magazine
09:04:14 <zodbot> jwildeboer: Approved Groups: news marketing cla_done cla_fedora cla_redhat
09:04:27 <boniface> .what yum
09:04:27 <zodbot> boniface: yum: RPM installer/updater
09:07:19 <liknus> boniface, yum: AWESOME tool that makes your life easier
09:08:18 <boniface> link fedora Community beta
09:08:54 <kruben> liknus: how many employees in Fedora?
09:09:34 <liknus> hard to say... I guess around 30 persons in redHat work *only* for fedora
09:09:36 <liknus> maybe less
09:13:48 <kruben> jwildeboer: how many employees in redhat?
09:14:56 <jwildeboer> kruben: roundabout 3500 people worldwide ATM.
09:23:15 <mchua> All righty, Michael is starting. :)
09:24:01 <liknus_> #link
09:24:03 <liknus_> https://fedorahosted.org/moksha/
09:24:05 <liknus_> #undo
09:24:06 <mchua> I'll switch the topic over to Michael's presentation since gruntus is offline, and type my notes from what I just went through now offline... and then at lunch, I'll upload my notes into this channel so he has them.
09:26:33 <mchua> #topic Michael's presentation
09:26:46 <mchua> liknus_: can you take notes here? I'm writing up notes for gruntus on what we just covered.
09:27:08 <liknus_> ok mchua
09:27:16 <liknus_> make me Chair mchua
09:27:23 <mchua> #chair liknus_
09:27:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: boniface gruntus jwildeboer kruben liknus liknus_ mchua micadeyeye michaelgraaf
09:27:30 <liknus_> thanks mchua
09:28:28 <liknus_> micadeyeye, is talking about the need to have diversity of instructors in POSSEs
09:28:38 <liknus_> micadeyeye, and he says we do :)
09:28:56 <liknus_> #link http://vocamus.net/dave
09:29:45 <mchua> michaelgraaf: Just read your blog post. I like. :) We'll talk about this more when we sit down to work on your project together.
09:30:09 <michaelgraaf> Looking forward to it
09:31:26 <liknus_> We have to have categories in our blogs...so someone can filter what we accesses
09:31:57 <liknus_> #link http://blog.chris.tylers.info
09:32:19 <liknus_> Awesome blog, awful home page
09:33:03 <liknus_> Home made planets make it easy to track blogs and feeds you like
09:33:32 <liknus_> Also you can do it with Firefox Feeds Bookmarks
09:33:56 <kruben> sorry about the phone ringing earlier too - it was antoinevg calling for directions to get here
09:34:23 <liknus_> kruben, then you are excused :P
09:42:39 <kruben> mchua: the start of my blog :-)  see http://krubennaidoo.wordpress.com/
09:47:35 <mchua> kruben: Awesome, thanks!
09:47:38 * mchua hooks that into the planet
09:49:06 <mchua> kruben: and you know that myself and Pierros and Jan hadn't ever met in person before this week, right? :)
09:57:32 <micadeyeye> any taker on this http://sitescontent.google.com/gsouthafrica/day-1-agenda?
10:03:01 <jwildeboer> So I will now file a bugzilla against pastebin with a fix.
10:03:37 <michaelgraaf> micadeyeye: will send you another link
10:05:14 <micadeyeye> michaelgraaf: great
10:05:52 * micadeyeye quits to install fedora
10:09:07 <jwildeboer> Bugzilla #640545 created.
10:09:31 <jwildeboer> If you want to take a look: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=640545
10:09:43 <kruben> mchua: nope.. didnt know that.. thought you guys had done this before!?
10:10:10 <jwildeboer> Now if you are interested in this bug, you could add yourself to the CC list. Step 1: create bugzilla account, Step 2, open the URL, step 3 add yourself to the CC list.
10:14:46 <liknus> .bug 640545
10:14:48 <zodbot> liknus: Bug 640545 pastebin.sql problems - and fix - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=640545
10:15:00 <liknus> jwildeboer, sweet :)
10:15:43 <jwildeboer> possesa remotees, not in the room - are you OK?
10:35:43 <liknus> gruntus is absent right now Jeff_S
10:35:49 <liknus> gruntus is absent right now jwildeboer
10:35:54 <liknus> (damn tab)
10:58:07 <kruben> http://www.thefreecountry.com/compilers/csharp.shtml
11:52:22 * kevix waves to the folks in SA
11:55:30 * jwildeboer waves back to kevix
11:58:57 <liknus> hey kevix 1
11:59:04 <liknus> s/1/!
12:09:44 <hachque> hi everyone
12:09:57 <hachque> is this the right channel to ask in if i need help determining a license to use on my software?
12:41:07 <gruntus> Hi all - I'm back for a few minutes; how's it going?
12:42:49 <mchua> gruntus: hey Grant! Sorry for the latency, we just recovered from a network outage.
12:42:54 <mchua> Hey kevix, how's it going?
12:42:56 <gruntus> liknus: good to see you guys are still there
12:43:06 <mchua> gruntus: We've got a lot of catching up to do :)
12:43:10 <mchua> gruntus: how's the translation coming?
12:43:22 <gruntus> liknus: I have between doing otehr stuff managed to translate about 60% of one .po file
12:44:53 <gruntus> liknus: I have a few questions though, mainly about how poedit rearranges the translated bits (especially the fuzzy stuff)
12:45:22 <mchua> gruntus: hang on, liknus is getting back online...
12:45:26 <gruntus> Whoops - do you guys have another outage?
12:45:46 <mchua> gruntus: nope, he's just getting back online.
12:46:29 <liknus> so gruntus how is it going :)
12:46:31 <liknus> ?
12:47:01 <gruntus> Ok - as I said I have amanaged to translate about 60% of the first .po file but I have some questions
12:47:16 <liknus> go ahead :)
12:47:25 <liknus> fire them on me :)
12:47:34 <kruben> we back!
12:47:56 <gruntus> Poedit seems to rearrange the translated text - puts the fuzzy stuff at the top - is this normal?
12:48:05 <liknus> yeap :)
12:48:18 <liknus> it is just sorting it out by this order:
12:48:26 <gruntus> Ok, so I assume that when you comple it all will be back to where it was?
12:48:30 <liknus> untranslated / fuzzy / translated
12:49:08 <liknus> as long as the .po file has the occurences (and it is) it is ok :)
12:49:17 <liknus> no worries this is typical
12:49:32 <liknus> When you feel ready just mail them to me :)
12:50:34 <liknus> Ok so some links for packaging :
12:50:34 <gruntus> Right. Also, there are a few things I have marked as fuzzy because I'm not sure what the documentation demands. For example, there is a code that seems to be addressing the size of something, but I'm not certain whether this should be translated or not
12:52:38 <liknus> can you post here the original string?
12:52:57 <gruntus> ok just let me find it
12:53:37 <gruntus> Ok here it is: %(size)s, CD ISO disc image for %(arch)s-bit PC
12:54:00 <gruntus> the %(size)s and %(arch)s are the thing
12:54:50 <mchua> #note michaelgraaf and antoinevg talking about restrictive IP policies from institutions and governments that make it difficult - even prohibited - to release academic work under open source licenses; antoinevg writing this up as a potential opensource.com/government article
12:57:35 <gruntus> You guys still there?
12:58:08 <mchua> gruntus: Yep yep.
12:58:40 <mchua> gruntus: (This is one of the struggles in being a remotee - it's hard to get in-person visibility into what is happening in a realtime classroom.)
12:59:03 <gruntus> Of course - I guess you guys are busy
12:59:11 <mchua> This is also what external folks might feel like when trying to participate in a project your class is working on, so this is something that we're trying to be aware of, and prevent. :)
12:59:23 <mchua> So let me see if I can be a better classroom-Grant bridge here.
12:59:36 <mchua> gruntus: What I can't do is help you with the translation stuff directly, because I'm not a translator myeslf...
12:59:40 <mchua> er, myself -
13:00:00 <mchua> but let's look at the Fedora wiki pages and see who else we might be able to ask while liknus is busy.
13:00:18 * mchua goes to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project_Wiki
13:00:21 * mchua looks at the sidebar
13:00:22 <gruntus> mchua: It doesn't really matter as long as I know that long breaks are not your network failing again
13:00:34 <mchua> gruntus: They sometimes are. :) We've had... 2, maybe 3 outages today.
13:00:47 <mchua> #topic Grant, Mel, and the hunt for translation skillz
13:00:55 <gruntus> Ok, os patience is the order of the day... :)
13:01:09 <mchua> So, I'm looking at the left sidebar, gruntus - looking for the translation team's space.
13:01:19 <mchua> aha.
13:01:21 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N
13:01:40 <mchua> gruntus: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N#IRC_channel
13:01:48 <mchua> Let's see if anyone's in #fedora-i18n :)
13:02:01 * mchua joins #fedora-i18n
13:02:20 <mchua> gruntus: you too ;)
13:02:47 <gruntus> ok - how?
13:02:52 <mchua> gruntus: do "/join #fedora-i18n" - no quotes
13:02:54 <mchua> just like we did on Monday.
13:04:05 <mchua> gruntus: following ok?
13:04:08 * mchua doesn't see you there yet
13:04:16 <antoinevg> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45478359@N06/sets/72157624982525123/
13:04:48 <mchua> liknus: can you join #fedora-i18n, we'll talk there?
13:05:18 <liknus> mchua, it is l10n
13:06:15 <mchua> gruntus: Oh! liknus says I went to the wrong channel, it should be #fedora-l10n
13:06:28 <gruntus> ok will try that
13:06:35 <mchua> gruntus: can you /join #fedora-l10n instead? Sorry.
13:08:16 <jwildeboer> fixing broken MBR
13:08:38 <mchua> ouch.
13:08:44 <mchua> sorry to hear about the mbr.
13:08:54 <mchua> #link http://www.flickr.com/photos/45478359@N06/sets/72157624982525123/
13:09:01 <mchua> antoinevg: linked your pics so they'll show from the meeting notes :)
13:11:28 <antoinevg> mchua: :-)
13:16:47 <liknus> mchua, so I got all sorted out with gruntus :)
13:16:49 <liknus> so ok :)
13:19:55 <mchua> michaelgraaf: sudo apt-get install xchat
13:19:57 <mchua> exactly :)
13:25:58 <gruntus> Just a quick rejoin
13:26:07 <liknus> go for it gruntus
13:26:25 <michaelgraaf_> I am back with a new underscore on my nick!
13:26:36 <gruntus> liknus: I'm not where I have access to much - let me have the e-mail address you wantme to post the file to
13:26:58 <michaelgraaf_> ....because I am now using XChat rather than webchat
13:27:16 <gruntus> I will finish the translation at home later and then send it
13:28:19 <liknus> pierros@papadeas.gr
13:28:32 <liknus> Some packaging stuff:
13:28:37 <liknus> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines
13:28:48 <gruntus> great - thanks liknus. Cheers until tomorrow at around 10:00 or so
13:29:06 <liknus> ok see ya gruntus ! thanks for all your effort
13:30:04 <liknus> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package
13:30:09 <liknus> and for the lazy ones:
13:30:27 <liknus> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/A_Short_RPM_Tutorial
13:31:14 <liknus> that shorty outlines the process for creating RPM
13:31:26 <liknus> We are going to do that step by step tomorrow :)
13:31:29 <liknus> See ya all!
13:31:44 <liknus> mchua, i will also put the links in the readings
13:32:27 <mchua> liknus, jwildeboer: I have to step out for a bit, can you wrap up?
13:32:30 <mchua> oh, you already are :)
16:20:22 <SKuhaneck> d I miss anything
19:31:08 <JonathanD> hi John47
19:31:13 <John47> and here we are lol
19:31:22 <John47> that always freaks me out
19:31:47 <JonathanD> Which?
19:31:58 <JonathanD> The fact that I am everywhere, lying in wait? :P
19:32:00 <John47> when I pop into another room and there you are! lol
19:32:03 <John47> yeah lol
19:32:11 <JonathanD> Thats what they pay me the big bucks for.
19:32:21 <John47> the wizard of oz, you are....
20:40:39 <spevack> mchua_afk: any chance of getting some stuff on OSDC/edu as we advertised last week?  Not sure if you saw my previous email about that.
22:55:41 <NeoPhyte_Rep> .seen boniface
22:55:41 <zodbot> NeoPhyte_Rep: boniface was last seen in #teachingopensource 13 hours, 47 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <boniface> link fedora Community beta
22:56:02 <NeoPhyte_Rep> .seen mchua
22:56:02 <zodbot> NeoPhyte_Rep: mchua was last seen in #teachingopensource 9 hours, 23 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <mchua> oh, you already are :)
22:56:18 <NeoPhyte_Rep> .seen quaid
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00:20:48 <quaid> hmm, I'm around for a minute, until they call our dinner reservation
00:29:40 <Jefro> quaid how's the train?  do they have wifi on amtrak now?
01:55:20 <quaid> Jefro: not our here in the West
01:55:35 <quaid> they do on the DC to BOS run, aiui
01:55:43 <quaid> but I've got a nice cell signal right now
01:56:44 <quaid> Jefro: the train is pretty much awesome
01:56:59 <quaid> these coach cars have AC at every seat; I reckon it's still random if you get that
01:57:07 <quaid> we just had dinner in the dining car
01:57:14 <quaid> nice food, good prices and portions
01:57:17 <quaid> and the show!
01:57:40 <quaid> we were in the middle of the Nevada sunset, with a short rain burst that gave a double-rainbow
01:57:43 <quaid> so intense
01:57:52 <quaid> it was almost a triple rainbow
01:58:05 <quaid> we were falling all over the place, esp. the meme loving girls
01:58:22 <quaid> but I have to say that was one of the nicest dining views I've had
02:10:06 <Jefro> cool!  we have taken that trip several times, in both spring and fall, all the way back to Iowa
02:10:19 <Jefro> but not for many years
02:10:42 <Jefro> struggling not to say "but what does it mean!?" re rainbows
02:11:17 <quaid> Jefro: exactly!
02:11:58 <Jefro> sounds like a nice trip, and UT sounds like an awesome conference
02:12:05 <quaid> these girls are big fans of that whole meme
02:12:07 <quaid> and the song and such
02:12:09 <Jefro> hehehe
02:12:36 <quaid> yeah, I haven't been to UTOSC but it sonds great
02:12:58 <Jefro> fyi, I put a reference to theopensourceway.org into an article today (on open hardware)
02:13:07 <quaid> nice
02:14:08 <Jefro> I'm off to make a late dinner - have fun on the train & say hi to everyone for me (esp Zonker & Ruth Suehle, not sure who else is going)
02:14:50 <quaid> actually, Riuth didn't make it, I'm giving her talk for her
02:15:01 <Jefro> ah bummer!  hope she didn't get flooded out
02:15:21 <quaid> http://iquaid.org/2010/10/05/big-weekend-in-utah/
02:15:23 <Jefro> hm, actually I don't think zonker is going either. now I don't know who is & isn't
02:16:08 <Jefro> wow, girls are giving their talk again.  they are getting to be regulars on the circuit!
02:16:15 <quaid> no, she went toWorld Forum in Europe instead
02:16:25 <quaid> that post of mine has a list of Fedora people talking
02:16:34 <quaid> aye
02:16:42 <quaid> they are going to reprise at FUDCon, they say
02:17:06 <Jefro> is it just me or are there waaaaay more conferences in the past 2 years than in the... I dunno, decade previous?
02:17:19 <quaid> probably
02:17:29 <Jefro> maybe I'm just paying attention now :)
02:17:31 <quaid> it's like the CLS thing, everyone is starting a n Ignite/TEDx/Conf
02:17:43 <Jefro> that's true
02:17:54 <Jefro> my son wants to start a mini-MakerFaire up here in Mendo
02:17:58 <quaid> if you have a community manager as a title, you are likely thinking of some sort of con for your community
02:18:09 <quaid> what I also see are lots of stuff attached to existing things
02:18:09 <Jefro> actually he just wants to *go to* such an event...
02:18:16 <quaid> ke the FADs, and other groups
02:18:29 <Jefro> I think people are hungry for real community
02:18:56 <Jefro> even as an introvert I find myself itchy to get out and meet people in person
02:19:22 <quaid> how funny, the idea of meeting people in person makes me feel itchy!
02:19:41 <Jefro> heheheh
02:19:53 <Jefro> ok, off now - have a safe drive south to the conf
02:19:58 <quaid> ciao
06:58:29 <mchua> #endmeeting