Meeting started at 2026-07-20 15:05:46 UTC

The Meeting name is 'Quality'

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bittin_DebconfOnline2026: Luna Jernberg (bittin) - they / them / theirs

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Ephraim Kaov: Ephraim Kaov (ephmo) - he / him / his

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Vít Smolík: Vít Smolík (smoliicek) - he / him / his

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Derek Enz: Derek Enz (derekenz)

how's everyone doing?

Good thx

You?

not bad not bad

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anything to follow up on before we move on?

Kamil Páral: Kamil Páral (kparal) - he / him / his

okay then

see https://forge.fedoraproject.org/releng/tickets/issues/13406 for that

seems they need more access

but nothing is super on fire AFAIK. any other notes on f45 atm?

just a couple of new bugs for me, nothing crazy

from https://forge.fedoraproject.org/quality/paperwork/issues/79#issuecomment-1066917 it looks like lukas might have fixed some of the openQA failures actually, yay

anything that needs any escalation derek?

Not really

Unless that workstation bug i sent you is urgent

oh, yeah, thanks for the reminder. it's arguably a blocker if it's consistently reproducible

Yes everytime

might depend on the privileges of each user i guess

i suppose arguably an unprivileged user *shouldn't* be able to reboot the system with another user logged in. but even in that case, gnome shouldn't show the 'reboot anyway' button I guess

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2501857 for anyone who wants to play along

anyhow, thanks for finding it

so I figured, let's have a look through the F45 Change set and make a list of Changes that look like they should have test days

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/45/ChangeSet

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cat attack? :p

possibly rpm 6.1 and "Enforcing signature checking by default" could have a combined test day

ditto "Modernize boot.iso" and "Modernize live media" if they go ahead

" GRUB EFI for Confidential Computing" if enough folks are interested in that feature I guess

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I'm interested in `Changes/StratisAnacondaSupport` and `Changes/IgnitionNativeButaneSupport`

my poor matrix client started lagging from this...

Ephraim Kaov good notices

Vít Smolík please don't quote it, it messes up the backscroll :D

Sorry, Cat sat on the keyboard

arguably https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RelocateRpmRepoConfigsToUsr should be system-wide and could use some testing to find the inevitably large list of things that expect those to be in /etc

i'm going to flag this to fesco as not self-contained

This one could perhaps could also go with the other modernize media changes? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BuildAtomicDesktopsWithImageBuilder

Then there's https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Podman6 which affects our Toolbx criterion

And https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OpenSSL40 which might have affects in lots of places, but I'm not sure if a specific test day helps or not, and how to test it

yeah, I was thinking the same

and it's kinda same for relocate-rpm-repo-configs - what do we put in the matrix?

maybe we could have a catch-all "look at this crazy Change and see what might be broken" day

This one can affects stuff as well: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/UseKmsconVTConsole

This one can affect stuff as well: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/UseKmsconVTConsole

ten points, good guess

F45 is not going to be boring, it seems

Kamil Páral note silverblue already switched to image-builder and kmscon also landed already. but of course, could benefit from wider testing I guess

That would also be included in the rpm test day, if it happens

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DrmPanicFrontend might be a fun one to test out

good point

any other nominations?

some of these changes might be important, but we'll likely see the fallout in many other places, if they break something (like the rpm), so I'm not sure if we should try to cover all of these

that's kinda why I thought to roll a few together in some cases

we can of course ping the owners and ask them to consider organizing the test days

Kamil Páral so my plan here is to have an action item for someone to process the meeting log and file an epic (sigh) with a list of proposed test days, then we can file individual tickets for each test day; do you want to take that or should I?

(or does anyone else want to do it?)

(and yes, we can ping the owners in the individual tickets)

without specific test cases, it's hard to organize it on our own

I'll do the paperwork

thanks

oh I received the pinging part as well? 🙂 I thought people would take those tickets individually, and then ping the relevant party

sure, we could do it that way

anything else on this?

I don't believe we have anything to update on currently

did I miss anything?

Looks ok to me

ok, folks, anything else?

so many conferences

Nothing here for now

It looks like Fedora Rawhide 45 is still shipping mcelog 175, which was released in January 2021

https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mcelog/commits/rawhide

looks..."lightly maintained"

also looks like others have noticed this situation in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1516731

there's a case for filing an "unresponsive maintainer" on prarit, but that would need to be from someone else who wants to take over the package

current version is 212, but there is 175

https://github.com/andikleen/mcelog/releases/tag/v212

the Alternative Fedora Wiki seems to endorse the "we should switch to rasdaemon" theory - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Machine-check_exception

but clearly Fedora's kernel *is* still built with CONFIG_X86_MCELOG_LEGACY , if mcelog ever works at all...

yeah, checked the configs, it is.

also discussed at https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/the-mcelog-package-is-missing-maintainers/144982/7

anything else, folks?

guess not! thanks for coming, sorry for the late start