<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:02:04
!startmeeting CentOS Hyperscale SIG
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
15:02:05
Meeting started at 2026-06-03 15:02:04 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
15:02:05
The Meeting name is 'CentOS Hyperscale SIG'
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:02:14
!topic Roll call
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:02:16
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
15:02:20
Michel Lind ☘ UTC+1 📛: Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
<@davide:cavalca.name>
15:02:21
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
15:02:24
Davide Cavalca: Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
<@rcolebaugh:matrix.org>
15:02:53
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
15:02:55
rcolebaugh: Raymond Colebaugh (rcolebaugh) - he / him / his
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:02:56
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
15:03:01
Conan Kudo 😌: Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:03:08
the joys of back to back meetings :D
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:03:30
ah were you at Council Neal? or you mean we have something else after this
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:04:01
I had something before this and something after this
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:04:07
ah yes FRCL after this. oh well
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:04:20
the AlmaLinux M&E SIG meeting too
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:04:22
let's wait another few mins for people to trickle in
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:04:26
M&E?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:04:33
Media & Entertainment
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:04:40
their meeting is monthly and it's right after this one
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:04:46
oh that sounds intereseting
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:04:52
oh that sounds interesting
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:04:57
yeah it's actually pretty cool
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:05:10
blech
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:05:17
is it related to all those SIGGRAPH people who want to do animation? or something else
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:05:23
there are some nice third-party mac keyboards that are less painful to use
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:05:25
desktop Enterprise Linux people who want to play movies? :P
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:05:27
yes!
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:05:39
the problem is i don't have a desk
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:05:40
CG/VFX
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:05:50
I have a really nice external keyboard but it's heavy
<@gmambro:fedora.im>
15:06:11
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
15:06:12
Gabriele: Gabriele Mambrini (gmambro) - he / him / his
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:06:27
and a very light bluetooth keyboard that -- the idea is if traveling and I have a portable stand, I can jack the laptop up and have a keyboard at a more sane level. but when working from the bedroom both are not ideal
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:06:46
lots of people today! welcome all
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:06:59
I guess... let's get going. once I find my notes and last week's minutes
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:07:08
!topic Followups
<@ichavero:fedora.im>
15:07:35
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
15:07:39
Ivan Chavero (imcsk8): Ivan Chavero (ichavero)
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:07:45
let me link to last week's minutes ... one sec
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:07:45
(aside: sandogasa now automates updating the meeting list on the website but we've not run it since the first time it was implemented)
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:07:45
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:08:26
looks like May 6 was the last meeting?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:08:28
!link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/meeting_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2026-05-06/centos-hyperscale-sig.2026-05-06-15.07.log.html
<@davide:cavalca.name>
15:08:38
Yeah I think we skipped at least one
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:08:44
!link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/meeting_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2026-05-06/centos-hyperscale-sig.2026-05-06-15.07.html
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:09:11
so follow up to Davide working on wprof - there's yet another new release of wprof, we're up to 0.4 now
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:09:39
need to start working on moving it to EPEL but we've been shorthanded and not have time to rebase / package some of the dependencies yet
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:12:40
anyone has a follow up? Conan Kudo 😌anything new with kernels
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:13:18
I fell behind because of all the crazy security stuff
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:13:28
but I'll be doing a new kernel update this week
<@pzmarzly:matrix.org>
15:13:36
!hi
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:13:40
maybe I'll be able to get the asahi kernel updated to 7.0.x too
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:13:59
at least now I'm able to do kernels for c9s and c10s again
<@davide:cavalca.name>
15:14:06
Oh yeah we're overdue for updating the asahi stuff
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:14:14
thank you Peter Georg
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:14:15
speaking of kernel... I know it's a "oh heavens no we have no bandwith to support this" for Fedora to support LTS in addition to the latest kernel
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:14:28
but does it make sense for *us*? I guess the problem is that means we can't just take the Fedora kernel
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:14:42
but ... we can branch it whenever it reaches LTS then keep rebasing it separately
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:14:49
at this point we probably need a tracking fork of the mesa package built in hs-main to turn on missing drivers
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:15:12
it will make rebasing easier at least, but idk if LTS will be too old for say Asahi
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:15:36
well, we _could_, but part of the reason we don't is because then we don't get improvements that y'all do in upstream
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:16:29
and the other part is we don't have a reasonable consumer for it
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:16:40
not even nvidia requires the longterm kernel
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:17:14
and I'd rather push nvidia further toward upstreaming than giving them incentive that hanging back is fine
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:18:22
true. it's a chicken and egg problem
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:18:28
finally, realistically the best long-term kernel would be the rhel kernel anyway... and that's the default for centos
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:18:58
eh, it depends, i am not convinced backporting and maintaining ACG for years is going to be tenable going forwards
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:19:00
since the kmods sig can now expect to be able to build btrfs for the life of rhel 10, it's a reasonable alternative
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:19:01
but that's not our problem :)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:19:21
sure, but I don't have to do that work :D
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:19:37
but yeah agreed, given kmod SIG is a thing and is working quite well now, LTS seems like a halfway solution unless say Fedora does it too
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:19:51
we might want to consider also shipping that as an option in our images
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:20:03
and even upstream kernel developers aren't very enthused about the longterm kernels
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:20:04
e.g. hey use the latest kernel backported from Fedora, or use the stock kernel + kmod
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:20:10
it exists for conditions that neither us nor fedora actually have
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:20:17
idk if we can make it work if you want to boot from a btrfs system volume
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:20:24
yes, I have thought about it
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:20:30
we can now that the kernel is in its own repo tag
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:20:57
yes that works too
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:21:01
I've verified it
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:21:10
that's probably best left to another discussion
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:21:14
but good to know
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:21:25
the thing is, redhat is maintaining btrfs.ko for openshift virtual machine migration code
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:21:42
so the kmods sig now just pulls that out and builds it as a kmp
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:21:42
yeah, that one is seriously good news
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:21:52
thank you VM guests :)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:22:11
thank SUSE
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:22:20
it exists because SLE Micro hard-requires Btrfs
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:22:32
that too. speaking of which, do we have anything about transactional updates that's HS relevant?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:22:33
they couldn't avoid it because of SUSE being commercially important
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:22:55
in order to do SLE VM migrations, they have to be able to rw btrfs filesystems
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:22:59
because the other desktop we have a pipe dream about ... sorry, moon shot... is a transactional update HS desktop
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:24:19
yes actually
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:24:57
if we do that the Alma folks might want to do a product based around it - they're quite good at naming so far :P
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:25:01
SFaulken did some work on my dnf5 txnupd plugin and has essentially made it feature complete
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:25:07
can't be worse than Aeon and Kalpa
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:25:16
he did it for is Kalpa desktop work, as Kalpa is considering moving to dnf5
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:25:32
but the benefit of that is there's a lot less work left to port to Fedora and CentOS Hyperscale
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:25:48
Conan Kudo 😌I can't tag Shaun somehow, want to repeat that with info ?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:26:03
sure
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:26:04
so our meeting notes are a bit more meaty
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:26:28
you should be able to now
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:26:35
how did you manage to tag someone not in this room? I bet that's why I can't
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:26:47
I still can't, you do it. ugh Fractal
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:26:55
I copy-pasted from another room :P
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:27:28
but sure I'll do the infos, one sec
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:27:30
I can't copy paste and preserve the at mention so you do it please :) - then let's move on
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:28:11
!info Neal is working on kernel upgrades now that he's done with security work. These should be hopefully done this week.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:29:42
!info SFaulken contributed work to the dnf5 txnupd plugin for Kalpa Desktop which has made it essentially feature complete. The next steps to creating a CentOS Hyperscale transactional update image will involve some lower level integrations, and we'll talk to Shawn about how he does it in Kalpa to try to port it to CentOS/Fedora.
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:29:54
awesome, thanks!
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:30:06
!topic Announcements
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:30:18
anyone wants to go first?
<@davide:cavalca.name>
15:30:36
Flock is next week
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:30:50
Flocking to Fedora :P
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:31:57
!info Flock starts the end of next week / the beginning of the week after depending on when you think the week starts
<@sfaulken:fedora.im>
15:32:00
what did I do now?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:32:01
!link https://www.fedoraproject.org/flock/2026/
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:32:30
Pawel, go ahead
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:32:43
you're now hyperscale's transactional update consultant
<@sfaulken:fedora.im>
15:33:01
oh, great.
<@sfaulken:fedora.im>
15:33:19
does that come with another fat Red Hat check?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:33:33
tree fiddy
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:33:33
given none of us work there, good luck :P
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:33:51
what do you mean, *another*
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:34:27
ok, I think Pawel is not actually typing, must be that weird Matrix bug so if you type in another room it leaks
<@sfaulken:fedora.im>
15:34:31
it's a running meme. all folks shipping wayland by default are Red Hat shills.
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:34:55
!info hs-relmon now has a review mode similar to fedora-easy-karma
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
Built by: salimma
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
```
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
untagged wprof-0.4-1.hsx.el10 from hyperscale10s-packages-experimental-testing
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
tagged wprof-0.4-1.hsx.el10 into hyperscale10s-packages-experimental-release
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
karma [+1=promote / -1=reject / Enter=skip / q=quit]: 1
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
------------------------------------------------------------
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
querying KASLR
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
- Apply temporary blazesym workaround to swallow /proc/kcore EPERM when
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
- Update to version 0.4
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
* Fri May 29 2026 Michel Lind <salimma@centosproject.org> - 0.4-1
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
Changelog:
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
Extra: {'source': {'original_url': 'git+https://gitlab.com/CentOS/Hyperscale/rpms/wprof.git#157cd043f30d0256a8e45e33c524c67a62a76ac7'}}
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
Tags: hyperscale10s-packages-experimental-candidate hyperscale10s-packages-experimental-testing
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
Finished: Fri, 29 May 2026 13:58:10 IST
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
Task: 5684437 build (hyperscale10s-packages-experimental-el10s, /CentOS/Hyperscale/rpms/wprof.git:157cd043f30d0256a8e45e33c524c67a62a76ac7)
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
Volume: DEFAULT
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
````
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
❯ cargo run -p hs-relmon review --repositories experimental wprof
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
Finished `dev` profile [unoptimized + debuginfo] target(s) in 0.22s
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
Running `target/debug/hs-relmon review --repositories experimental wprof`
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
============================================================
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
[1/2] wprof-0.4-1.hsx.el10 (hyperscale10s-packages-experimental-testing)
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
currently in release: wprof-0.3-2.hsx.el10
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
------------------------------------------------------------
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
BUILD: wprof-0.4-1.hsx.el10 [74172]
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
State: COMPLETE
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:15
Source: git+https://gitlab.com/CentOS/Hyperscale/rpms/wprof.git#157cd043f30d0256a8e45e33c524c67a62a76ac7
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:35:18
and that KDE developers are getting given fat checks from Red Hat to shill wayland
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:35:26
(which is very funny, all things considered)
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:35:30
I just released `wprof` 0.4 and it did the right tagging / untagging
<@pzmarzly:matrix.org>
15:35:36
No, I am, but on my phone. Quick announcement on my side: I am resigning from Hyperscale SIG, feel free to delete me from the groups. I removed myself from GitLab already.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:35:48
oh oof
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:35:51
sorry to see you go
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:36:00
it was nice having you around
<@pzmarzly:matrix.org>
15:36:07
Sorry for leaving. It was nice getting to know you all, I wish you all the best
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:36:09
yeah Pawel has a very exciting new job that unfortunately is a 110% commitment
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:36:24
congratulations
<@pzmarzly:matrix.org>
15:36:30
thx
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:36:36
I think it's only fair to let Pawel's membership cleanup script be the one that deletes his :)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:36:43
don't forget about us little people when you become mondo famous or something :)
<@pzmarzly:matrix.org>
15:36:56
it only detects who needs to go, deletion is manual
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:37:01
more importantly don't forget if you have access to discounts
<@pzmarzly:matrix.org>
15:37:16
you can try making Claude for Chrome do it :p
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:37:44
ah right, since Gemini for Chrome is not launched in Europe :P
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:37:50
aanyway
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:38:05
on the security front Hyperscale unfortunately now also ships dnsmasq (sorry folks)
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:38:29
!link https://cbs.centos.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=71742
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:38:45
!info dnsmasq is backported from el10 to hs.el9
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:39:00
luckily this will be short lived as we're pausing hs.el9 activity soon... right? right?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:39:25
ah crud I forgot an important followup, I'll postpone it until Open Floor
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:39:29
any other announcement?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:40:05
one can only hope
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:40:54
ok let's move on then
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:41:06
!topic Tickets
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:41:10
!link https://gitlab.com/groups/CentOS/Hyperscale/-/work_items
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:41:43
Gabrielesince you're around, context on the edk2 ticket?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:41:47
!link https://gitlab.com/CentOS/Hyperscale/tracker/-/work_items/156
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:43:41
while we wait for that let's move on
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:43:51
!link https://gitlab.com/CentOS/Hyperscale/tracker/-/work_items/155
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:44:01
looks like Pierce was approved as a new member last meeting but the ticket is still open
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:44:08
Davide Cavalcahas this been processed?
<@davide:cavalca.name>
15:44:39
Uh I thought so but tbh I don't remember
<@davide:cavalca.name>
15:44:48
I'm on the phone right now, can check later
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:44:56
let's check later, yeah
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:45:13
apart from that it's mostly release monitoring tickets managed by `hs-relmon` and there's not too many of them
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:45:33
!info if anyone has a package update request ping me and I'll track that package so we get automated alerts for them
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:45:43
I should have said ping Michel. oh well
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:45:49
!topic Members
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:46:10
nothing here, I guess?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:46:40
!info we'd like to thank pzmarzlyfor all his contributions during his short time with us
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:47:15
ok, let's wrap this up and those of us with back to back meeting can get a little break at the end
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:47:18
!topic Open Floor
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:47:31
Davide CavalcaConan Kudo 😌uh have we... published our activity report?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:47:49
uhh no
<@davide:cavalca.name>
15:47:53
Uh... I don't think so
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:48:00
happy to book some semi-sync time to just push this out next week when Davide is in a European timezone
<@davide:cavalca.name>
15:48:08
We really should wrap that up
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:48:14
the security stuff kinda made everything fall by the wayside
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:48:23
I'd been slammed with them for a month straight
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:48:25
it sucked
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:48:34
the package activity is all there but we should categorize them, not sure what else needs to be done to the rest of the report
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:48:45
yeah I think this is unsustainable for everyone here :(
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:48:54
I need to spin new images to put into the report mention
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:48:58
that's pretty much it for me
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:49:06
hopefully this is a one-off transition to more of the report being automated and we can be on time next time
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:49:20
yes I think it will be
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:49:38
the report should be factual and we just need to wordsmith a tiny bit, ideally. and then we don't keep deferring it
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:50:02
righto. anyone has anything else?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:50:36
I'd plug `sandogasa` for those who miss Fedora workflows in CentOS SIG :)
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:50:38
oh right
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:50:54
!info Michel cleaned up hundreds of stale packages still tagged testing and release
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:52:10
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:52:10
(systemd has its own cleanup process, though we also discovered it was never cleaning up packages tagged as release)
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:52:10
`prune-manifest ./configs/hs-relmon/manifest.toml --repositories main,facebook,experimental -v --skip systemd`
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:52:16
so the metadata should be much smaller now
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:52:33
(systemd has its own cleanup process, though we also discovered it was never cleaning up packages tagged as release)
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:52:33
`$ hs-relmon prune-manifest ./configs/hs-relmon/manifest.toml --repositories main,facebook,experimental -v --skip systemd`
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:52:33
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:53:10
anything else before we end?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:54:58
Conan Kudo 😌I'll arrange a time next week to just sort out our activity report once and for all
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
15:55:11
awesome
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:55:54
alrighty. thanks all for all the contribution and discussions
<@salimma:fedora.im>
15:55:58
!endmeeting