Meeting started at 2026-05-28 10:04:27 UTC

The Meeting name is 'Fedora Mindshare Committee - 2026-05-28'

The Meeting Name is now mindshare

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That's better 😛

Justin Wheeler: Justin Wheeler (jflory7) - he / him / his

Howdy folks!

!group members mindshare

Members of mindshare: emma kidney, Greg Sutcliffe, jflory7 (@jflory7:fedora.im, @fca:fedoraproject.org), Joseph Gayoso, lbazan, Sumantro Mukherjee, Akashdeep Dhar

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Akashdeep Dhar / আকাশদীপ ধর: Akashdeep Dhar (t0xic0der) - he / him / his

Emma Kidney: emma kidney (ekidney) - she / her / hers

How is it at other folks' ends?

Ooof, the heat's bad in here.

we had a three day heat wave here thats gone now. It was hot for Ireland 😆 prob nothing compared to you

I'm sure 🇮🇳 is a chart-topper when it comes to heat.

Hope it gets cooler at all ends.

Cork was super noice back in 2023 <3

Where I am right now, it is an insulated toaster oven.

I am taking a peek at the issue tracker and triaging the agenda!

One day, I will be able to do this more proactively, heh.

https://forge.fedoraproject.org/mindshare/tickets/issues/124 looks urgent

I was also peeking at the PR comments too, but I guess I can hold off on that.

A feedback is expected by the end of the week

Akashdeep Dhar / আকাশদীপ ধর: Yep, for sure, we will discuss today. I've been doing quite a bit of behind-the-scenes on this one, and it would be good to get it out in the open.

I do have some more tickets too on the queue

But those can wait I suppose ;)

Taking a quick peek, I am thinking tickets #124, #117, #119, and #123 in that order.

Any objections?

I do want a couple more tickets to be discussed

Akashdeep Dhar / আকাশদীপ ধর: Which ones? We will have to be choosey because time is very tight.

#119 isnt super urgent we could drop that one maybe?

Emma Kidney: WFM!

Let me point at them #98 (Flock timeline), #114, #115 and #116

Oh geez, Flock is a timely one, yeah

I think #114–#116 will need to be async

But #98 is definitely critical

I know but these are urgent, sorry

And we have not been able to make much progress in this front unfortunately...

I don't think they are urgent. #114 simply doesn't have any updates. I haven't been able to put time in and I'm not sure Luis Bazan has either. We could discuss #115 since Emma Kidney has put some details in there. For #116, it looks like you Akashdeep Dhar / আকাশদীপ ধর and Michael Winters are coordinating, and I think this is something that can happen async.

So, for the agenda, let's do #124, #117, #123, and #115. Any extra time, and we can cover more.

We only have 45 minutes now anyways, so let's get the show on the road 🚗

You mean #98 instead of #115, I assume?

Oopsss, I forgot #98. #98 before #115, I think

Because #114 to #116 being async is fine by me, to be honest!

Some new comments were there since I last looked.

Let me take a quick skim.

I believe we are discussing $1k now instead of $3k, if I am not mistaken

I had some time to look into it. Given the past records of the lack of a Wiki page, event reports etc. - I suggested that we start from 1k from this year onwards.

As and when, the value proposition of the event comes to fore with more folks joining in etc., we always have the capacity of stepping it up from the coming years, in my honest opinion.

OK, I am caught up on the newest comments.

So, the "behind-the-scenes" work I was doing was to see how much money I could shake on a money tree.

There is a degree of flexible funding for small events every quarter, but we haven't really transitioned to this model of stronger quarterly planning cycles yet.

The challenge here is that $3k is a big ask halfway through the fiscal year. If we know we want to do this again in the future, and we feel there is value in doing so, we should earmark this event as a 2027 priority for leveling up on the funding.

$1k is a bit more reasonable, but the honest truth is, I don't know if I can fish out that much in funding yet either. The timing with Flock is also inconvenient, because soooo much of our Q3/Q4 funding rides on the final costs of Flock and the sponsorships we receive. If Flock comes in low on sponsorships, it also means Q3/Q4 events take a hit. Which is unfortunate… but it is the way it is right now.

However—

$500 seems reasonable as an initial commitment, and I am confident we can support and sponsor at that level.

If there are things to improve upon on the MIndshare processes, we can also chalk those up as a long term goal to ensure that we are able to support them in the coming years - that, and of course, the money.

I know $500 is basically not much, but I think as a way to set precedent, it is a good first step.

and if things go well this year, we can plan to do more in 2027.

Does this make sense?

makes sense!

Works for me as well 👍️

I realize it is one of the perpetual post-COVID failings that the budget is not as transparent as it once was. I do my best to explain things as they come up but I know there is a lot of process failure on how we actually plan and strategize, which I recognize as a pain point in bookwar's comments too.

Emma Kidney, Akashdeep Dhar / আকাশদীপ ধর: Super. So, if we feel aligned, we can vote today on $500. In the event that I _do_ end up with another $500 to spare, we can always revisit later. I mean, I don't know an event that would say _no_ to more money, even if it is late 😛

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bookwar: Aleksandra Fedorova (bookwar) - she / her / hers

bookwar: Since this is your ticket, I can give you a couple of minutes to read the scrollback and see if you have any questions for us?

Is there a way to potentially decentralize this? A lot (and I mean, a lot) happens to be on your shoulders and the last thing you need is to feel guilty about not being able to keep up or being a bottleneck etc. Maybe we can help?

afk a few min, +1 to 500

Gwmngilfen: Thanks!

+1 to 500 from me too

Akashdeep Dhar / আকাশদীপ ধর: A lot of this comes down to Red Hat internal stuff with how budgets and money are handled. Unfortunately, by design, this is something pinned to my role. It might be worth discussing at a later point how this could be better, but today's meeting is probably not the right opportunity to do so.

I am +1 to $500 USD as well.

Hold on

500 USD or 500 Euros?

Uhhh, $500 USD is what I work in, but 500 EUR is fine too

500 Euro

The currency difference is insignificant from a budget POV

But good catch

We will note it officially as 500 EUR, not $500 USD

I just want to have this in our radar so that we can potentially do something about it at some point in time.

Fair enough - As long as we revisit it at some point in time.

+1 to 500 Euros

Akashdeep Dhar / আকাশদীপ ধর: Probably in the next Mindshare Committee term, or the next Fedora Community Architect's term, whichever comes first 😛

OK, so, I think we have quorum on the vote with today's available members.

bookwar: Do you have any questions for us at this time?

Let's do 500 Euro and let's plan for next year too. I do think that it is time to put more effort in FrOSCon especially as it is no longer overlaps with Flock dates, but it is hard to do it the last moment. So we should do what is reasonable now, and start planning for next year.

No questions, just logistics, but I can reach out to you once the decision is made

bookwar: I think we will have to rally some more votes or wait for the clock to tick down for official approval, but I think it is "safe" for us to provide some assurance to you to proceed tentatively with a 500 EUR budget in mind for sponsorship. (I don't think this is inclusive of speaker/booth staff travel, if I read it right.)

This. As long as the committee has an understanding on where it could do better, I think we can make the succeeding occurrences of FrOSCon much better, since it has been an event that Fedora Project has had a regular presence in.

bookwar: Given the recent sensitivity towards international travel and jet fuel, I think regional/local events will be more important than ever. And not just when jet fuel becomes a less precious commodity again, whenever that might be

They will be planning the conf starting 31 May so they need to know what they can expect by then. So if we can vote before that, iut would be nice. I can send them a confirmation that the money will come in a week or so.

The travel/accommodation ticket is going to be a different one, if I am not mistaken. I did frontload my feedback on that (which would more or less remain unchanged) but yes, I suspect that would come to us later.

And I don't plan to request travel or acocmodation as usual, I do it on my own. I am not sure what Peter is planning.

OK. I think that covers all of the details…

Did I miss anything?

Nothing that I can think of.

bookwar: I hope this gives you the assurances you need to proceed from here!

Yes, thank you

Super.

Let's move on to the next ticket.

OK, I actually need to read this one…

Too bad Luis Bazan is not around to discuss this

September and November, I see...

Errr, there is no budget request here

The one in Argentina on September and the one in Mexico City in November

Oh, this is probably why I added the `needs reporter feedback` label

Long term but as always, we are in need of more information on this

Yeah, I think we have to defer this, without more details or context from Luis Bazan, there is not much to discuss here

There isn't much to discuss on the value and impact either

Makes sense to me.

+1

I think I will close this ticket, and ask Luis Bazan to re-open using the issue templates which are forthcoming

The popular proposal to archive it (and revisit it later) actually makes sense to me.

I had some time aside to look into it.

Hmmmm.

Maybe this is also a quick one.

I propose this repo being archived in the Docs Graveyard/Archived repos org.

Especially, since the information is old.

As much as we wished we had the time, salvaging it would be much efforts.

MatH already mentioned it is nine years old.

And it seems like Petr Bokoc also conferred that archiving is likely best.

I propose moving it here

We can move it later, somewhere else, if we decide it _does_ have value.

Gwmngilfen, Emma Kidney, Akashdeep Dhar / আকাশদীপ ধর: Thoughts?

With you on that.

If you don

makes sense to +1

+1

makes sense to me, +1

't want it, I can move it here :) https://forge.fedoraproject.org/docs-archive

(Actually, I don't think anyone thinks it _doesn't_ have value, it is a matter of who has the time to maintain and update it.)

Petr Bokoc: That would be super. Could I action you for that?

Yeah, sure

But oh well - we do have more important things to get to 🤷

Yep - do not really want to see it go to waste

OK, let's keep this show moving along.

For my latest update, I want to take some moments to put out updates on what we have been upto in the first part before shifting it to an Ask Us Anything kinda session - taking advantage of people being there in person.

Soooo… I _think_ it will just be me, Akashdeep Dhar / আকাশদীপ ধর, Emma Kidney, and Gwmngilfen at Flock? I am not sure if Luis Bazan will be there in-person or not. I don't think Sumantro Mukherjee or Joseph Gayoso will make it.

We _may_ have some new committee members too, but this will come forward the Friday before Flock.

Also, with the charter refresh - whenever that happens that is - we cannot be 100% sure about who ends up being there or not. So as to speak, are these current four folks okay with this idea? Do they have thoughts on this?

Akashdeep Dhar / আকাশদীপ ধর: I agree with your comment that an AMA format makes the most sense. I am thinking that we can spend some time offering each panelist a moment to share their personal reflections. I would love each Committee member to speak to their part of the Mindshare Committee charter, what was done and what is in-progress, and also, general reflections on the health of the Committee.

If we have new folks, then they can offer a perspective on what they are most excited to get involved with in the next term.

So progress first, then reflections and finally AUA kinda session? Does that make sense.

I concur with your suggestion as that makes the Mindshare Committee feel a lot more grounded and/or accessible.

(Also, in the event that anyone currently serving is not re-elected but will be at Flock, I expect them to still be on the panel and speak to the work that happened during their term regardless. This is how the Council panel is also going forward.)

Emma Kidney, Gwmngilfen: WDYT?

Akashdeep Dhar / আকাশদীপ ধর: Right!

i think that makes sense, we need that feedback

works for me! I am not running to be re-elected but I will happily still be on the panel 😄

would be great to talk about handover too

Perfect - Glad to have you folks onboard

I am certain all of us would have plenty to provide to the incoming members all while soaking in the feedback that we get from the community.

I'm wondering if we can pre-seed questions for the audience to come up and ask us things.

A way to guide the questions somewhat, while leaving room for the audience to bring forward their own questions

i'm also not standing for things this time, too busy with life. so handover is a good topic

Just so we have some guide rails for this

I am already neckdeep in the slide decks, Forgejo stuff and the Outreachy thing 😭

Justin Wheeler: I mean, sure? But someone else has to cook those questions.

[@ekidney:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@ekidney:matrix.org), [@gwmngilfen:fedora.im](https://matrix.to/#/@gwmngilfen:fedora.im): If I haven't said it until now, it's been a pleasure and an honor to serve with y'all on this term. I appreciate your contributions this term. We had a very big challenge at the start with a brand-new charter. There is still a lot to do, but we helped bring back relevance to this Committee, and together with [@t0xic0der:fedora.im](https://matrix.to/#/@t0xic0der:fedora.im), y'all really put in the cycles to make this a term worth celebrating.

Gwmngilfen: Handover seems like a good starting point IMHO.

But we gotta be sure that we do not inadvertently make it a limited discussion between incoming members and outgoing members, and find ways with which we can include the audience, or heck, answer *their* questions while we are at it.

thats fair

we can always do that hallway-style afterwards with new members

Gwmngilfen++

Sure. I can probably spend a tiny bit of time to think about this. It doesn't need to be so formal and the intent is not to force any questions, but to give the audience some direction on what they can ask us. I hope the starting focus on the charter will help with that too.

t0xic0der gave a cookie to gwmngilfen. They now have 29 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 44 release cycle

Emma Kidney++

t0xic0der gave a cookie to ekidney. They now have 50 cookies, 2 of which were obtained in the Fedora 44 release cycle

i'm not sure how much I contributed to this, tbh, but thanks for the kind words 😉

Akashdeep Dhar / আকাশদীপ ধর did most of the lifting I think

Justin Wheeler++

t0xic0der has already given cookies to jflory7 during the F44 timeframe

thanks guys I really enjoyed being a part of mindshare!!

OK, so from a practical perspective, I could own the role as moderator/chair for the panel. I can introduce the Committee, our charter at a high-level, and then pass over to each panelist to introduce themselves and speak toward their part of the charter.

Heh, all I do is strategically use zodbot, man - that's really all, you know.... ;P

Maybe I will come up with a question or two that I think is good for each panelist, and I can put those in the ticket.

Then, we let it loose to the audience.

I think that will easily cover 60m.

What do y'all think?

Might be worth an ad-hoc Sunday meeting in the spare room

Perfect, thanks for the questions work and the moderation work!

I was okay with being the moderator but at this point, the less things I take on, the better haha.

You showed up. Not everyone has in this way. I value that and being a voice of experience and reason from the community.

[@gwmngilfen:fedora.im](https://matrix.to/#/@gwmngilfen:fedora.im) Oh, hah, since you are a CommOps appointed role, we need to identify a new rep for CommOps!

But that's something to figure out later, I suppose.

indeed.

Are we all aligned here? Does anyone have questions about the panel structure and organization otherwise?

If we agree, I'll make sure to document this for the ticket

(AFK for 120 seconds)

Nothing from my end.

Also time check - Last five minutes left.

works for me

OK. Let me notate this, and then I think we will need to yield the channel.

And I move on the next hour of my 8.5 hour meeting marathon today 🫠

Oh boyy :(

@info Incoming Mindshare Committee members who are also present will be invited to participate in the panel, and for any brand-new members, some on-the-fly questions may be devised to help them share their excitement and ideas for what they hope to achieve in their term on the Committee.

OK…

I think that covers most of it.

With that, we are a minute over!

😱

So, we will have one more meeting before Flock. I think keeping that meeting low-stakes and just focusing on the Flock panel prep will be all that is needed.

Unbelievable!

We were able to get through them all tickets

thanks for chairing! Bye everyone 🙂

See ya next time, folks!

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