<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:00:48
!startmeeting Quality
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:00:49
Meeting started at 2026-02-16 16:00:48 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:00:50
The Meeting name is 'Quality'
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:00:53
!topic Roll Call
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:00:56
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:00:58
Adam Williamson (adamwill) - he / him / his
<@boniboyblue:fedora.im>
16:01:19
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:01:21
Christopher Boni (boniboyblue)
<@psklenar:fedora.im>
16:01:23
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:01:25
Petr Sklenar (psklenar)
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:01:56
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:01:57
Brandon Nielsen (nielsenb)
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:03:01
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:03:05
Kamil Páral (kparal) - he / him / his
<@kashyapc:fedora.im>
16:03:05
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:03:07
Kashyap Chamarthy (kashyapc)
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:03:16
wow, full house
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:03:21
should've rented the big hall
<@kashyapc:fedora.im>
16:03:59
adamw: How are you going to honor this full house? :D
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:04:54
Not full, I don't see Lukas, he's probably playing some music instrument somewhere 🙂
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:05:20
with a dull meeting where i drone on endlessly, of course!
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:05:22
how else
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:05:27
Jaroslav is on vacation btw
<@kashyapc:fedora.im>
16:05:37
Well, I could be playing an instrument too. So next time that will be my excuse. I see you, Lukas!
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:05:44
!topic Previous meeting follow-up
<@lruzicka:fedora.im>
16:06:49
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:06:51
Lukáš Růžička (lruzicka)
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:06:56
!info "adamw to check the amoloney responsibility list and poke someone to do the posts to bugzilla requesting updated status on change bugs", "adamw to also check with Allison about processing recently-accepted Changes" - I did both of those and the change process is moving along, though it's a bit bumpy. it's clear that the process documentation isn't really enough and we benefit a lot from having a full-time wrangler who's always available for fesco to poke
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:07:14
anything else to follow up on?
<@lruzicka:fedora.im>
16:08:03
I was not playing anything. I was trying to get a backtrace using `coredumpctl` and somehow forgot to track time.
<@kashyapc:fedora.im>
16:08:55
"On the internet, nobody knows if you're playing an instrument or getting coredumps" :D
<@lruzicka:fedora.im>
16:09:30
Sure, sure. Getting coredumps is also playing an instrument, so that counts. And vice-versa.
<@kashyapc:fedora.im>
16:11:27
Looks like not much at this moment?
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:11:34
indeed
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:12:06
!topic Fedora 44 status
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:12:32
!info GNOME 50 and KDE/Plasma 6.6 have both landed in F44 now
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:12:46
please be on the lookout for significant issues with both, and propose blockers if appropriate
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:13:27
!info it looks like the kmscon Change is going to be delayed to f45 at least per some chat at the end of last week
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:14:19
the kiwi thing i got reverted?
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:14:27
i can re-test, i guess
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:14:42
I thought so, but perhaps I am wrong
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:14:54
yeah, last build was 3 days ago
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:14:55
or was thinking of the kmscon thing
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:15:28
oh, there's a 44.21 tagged in git but not built yet it looks like
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:15:42
and that has the fix in it
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:15:44
yes, it was reverted by you... ;) 1352186134b203ee2ed07728e2e246761005c891
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:15:55
well, i sent it as a PR, conan merged it
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:16:49
fair. anyhow...
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:16:50
welp, when 44.21 shows up i can re-test, or you can just un-un-revert and i will come and yell at somebody if the tests fail again
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:17:01
welp, when 44.21 shows up i can re-test, or you can just un-revert and i will come and yell at somebody if the tests fail again
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:17:21
what all else is going on with f44? i've rather lost track of the big picture as i've been fighting a zillion flakes in openqa
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:19:18
I haven't had much time to play with it, real life keeps getting in the way
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:20:33
I've reported a few annoying issues, but no blocker. Also I'm debugging a random delay in starting apps during Live boot. Seems to be a race related to desktop portal service, but not sure yet.
<@psklenar:fedora.im>
16:20:48
During last week's GNOME 50 testing on Fedora 44, users reported a significant number of bugs, also blockers
<@lruzicka:fedora.im>
16:20:56
I am running it. There are occassional crashes in gnom-shell, this has been reported and is registered for a BB discussion.
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:21:46
Actually, has someone scoured through the reports and proposed blockers if appropriate? That might be a good idea
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:21:51
yeah, i've seen the 'portal fails to start on first try' thing
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:22:05
yeah, that's always a good thing, check if any filed bugs look like beta or final blockers
<@boniboyblue:fedora.im>
16:22:20
I've rebased to 44 and only bug I'm getting is the Backgrounds App disapeared from GNOME's quick settings.
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:22:21
Kamil Páral i assume you showed petr and jaroslav the release criteria?
<@lruzicka:fedora.im>
16:22:33
I went through the proposals in the morning, I did not see anything too bad in it.
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:22:49
ok, thanks Lukas
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:23:00
Petr Sklenar: have I shown you the criteria?
<@psklenar:fedora.im>
16:23:20
Kamil Páral: yes, I have a picture about that ... ;
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:23:28
you'll get a hands-on experience tonight anyway 😄
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:23:52
you don't need to remember them, just have a vague idea what's inside, so that you know when and where to look up the details
<@psklenar:fedora.im>
16:25:23
Kamil Páral: I can review the issues reported on gnome's gitLab and report them to bugzilla if its possible blocker.
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:25:37
!info folks are doing lots of testing on the f44 stacks now and we have blocker review coming up after the meeting
<@lruzicka:fedora.im>
16:26:27
This picture?
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:26:49
if you find something concerning, just ping me and I'll tell you whether it's worth the time. If it is, we usually just create a bug in bugzilla saying "upstream bug here: link". It's for blocker tracking purposes only, no need to copy the details or anything.
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:29:38
!topic Test Day / community event status
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:30:05
so, we had a pretty packed schedule recently
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:31:06
!info GNOME 50 test days https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2026-02-11_GNOME_50_Desktop , KDE Plasma 6.6 test days https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2026-02-02_KDE_Plasma_6.6 and grub OOM test days 2: electric boogaloo https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2026-02-09_GRUB_out_of_memory_fix_verification_part_2 all wrapped up recently, thanks to all testers
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:31:58
!info there was solid turnout for GNOME and KDE test days and various issues encountered, we will go through the results and try to make sure significant bugs are properly reported and get addressed (and propose as F44 blockers if appropriate)
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:34:45
!info looks like we have a kernel 6.19 test week coming up Feb 22-28: https://forge.fedoraproject.org/quality/tickets/issues/878 and podman 5.8 test days coming up Feb 27-Mar 6: https://forge.fedoraproject.org/quality/tickets/issues/877
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:35:07
are those moving forward smoothly? i don't see events in the app yet
<@psklenar:fedora.im>
16:36:04
I just created wiki today, testcases are in drafts: https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:36:05
adamw: log in to see drafts
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:36:31
oh right
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:36:38
we might want to make drafts public, but that's a future feature. For the moment, they are private
<@psklenar:fedora.im>
16:36:44
kernel is in review by kernel devs; podman need to be updated with a few new testcases
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:36:56
we also had this one, but with very low attendance unfortunately: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2026-02-09_GRUB_out_of_memory_fix_verification_part_2
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:37:47
i never got around to it with all the openqa fires :(
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:38:33
I didn't have access to hardware I could install to at the time
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:38:49
everyone else get your excuses in now
<@boniboyblue:fedora.im>
16:41:00
I missed this one.
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:42:18
Dog ate my USB key
<@lruzicka:fedora.im>
16:43:03
My cat peed onto the only computer which I could have used. Now, it is drying out in the bag of rice.
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:43:31
excellent excuses, 10/10, no notes
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:43:59
I didn't want to break it, you told me to play games instead yourselves
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:44:42
!topic Open floor
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:44:48
alrighty folks, anything else before we get to blocker review?
<@kashyapc:fedora.im>
16:45:54
Just go for it
<@boniboyblue:fedora.im>
16:45:56
Nothing from me.
<@lruzicka:fedora.im>
16:48:33
Nothing else matters.
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:48:53
Not from me
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:50:01
alrighty, see you all in #blocker-review:fedoraproject.org in 10 minuts
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:50:04
alrighty, see you all in #blocker-review:fedoraproject.org in 10 minutes
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:50:07
thanks for coming, folks!
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:50:08
!endmeeting