Meeting started at 2025-10-16 15:00:14 UTC

The Meeting name is 'Fedora DEI Team - 2025-10-16'

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Great to see you folks 👋

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(IRL meeting is boring)

misc: You are breaking the matrix 😄

Or the Matrix in the Matrix from The Matrix

A little sleepy but otherwise fine 🙂

this week feels too long 😄

I'm glad tomorrow is Friday :yay:

let's move to the next topic

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I have three

I have 3 news to share, anyone else has something to share?

Nope

same here 😄 the floor is yours Justin Wheeler

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Jona Azizaj (she/her): Back to you!

thanks Justin 🎉

Also, nice blog post Chris Onoja Idoko++

actually I had same things to share

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so if nothing else I will move to the next topic 😄

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It seems pretty set at this point

I already did that

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I'm looking forward to that, I'm not a huge fan of GitLab

same for Justin Wheeler

I did that too, and also had a long in-person conversation with misc last week

More to come there 🙂

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misc: do you want to discuss today ticket #57?

Nope, my brain is sleeping right now

let's do it at our next meeting then

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Justin Wheeler: yes go ahead

Q: Do we have any private issues in our Pagure repo?

nope

we don't have

and I know that's not possible yet on Forgejo, right?

Then migrating for us is presumably much more straightforward

I forget if there is a migration script/tool already

Ryan Lerch would know but it must be like, 2 AM for him.

MatH: You are following lots of different corners of Fedora… do you happen to know if there is a tool ready yet?

I know I have seen it discussed

…somewhere

…someplace

in Discussion... hold on

https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/workaround-for-missing-private-issues-in-public-repositories/168745

or do you mean migration tool?

People have been discussing that with ...

Yeah I meant the tool

I remember this article https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/announcing-the-soft-launch-of-fedora-forge/

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/forge-documentation/requesting_new_org_or_team/

This looks like the process we should start with

and we could request help with migration when we create the team/org

yep, so I will create a ticket about it

It looks like we need help with opening the ticket?

Yea file a ticket at https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issues

Cornelius Emase: Just curious, have you interacted with Fedora Infra folks much before?

Cornelius Emase: Just curious if you would be up for repping this issue as a DEI Team member to the Infra Team or not. Not to put you on the spot! 😄

The process is actually pretty well-documented: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/forge-documentation/requesting_new_org_or_team/#_procedure_filing_a_request_ticket

😄I haven't interacted with them much tho, but I'll take that

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okay, bookmarked

It is a good starting point 😄

I think the process is clear, but we also need to remember to ask about help with migration

Cornelius Emase: I can help you too, and we have an example from commops team too https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/12806

I'm not sure if Infra can help us with that or not

nice, thanks

anything else here before we move to the next ticket?

When should we close pagure and gitlab?

we have everything on GitLab so no deadline for that

It would be nice to have this in advance of our next meeting, so we can figure out if manual migration work is required or not

Probably once we know more about the migration tooling

Or I mean to say, we can make the plan to shut down GitLab once we know more about the tooling

Lets put it as a 'to do' after migration.

Good to remove old stuff :)

Hmm.

Tickets do have a historic value

It was why moving from Pagure to GitLab was so delicate

There is a usefulness of being able to reference past history and key decisions without having to go to the Internet Archive for an old ticket

It's really confusing for new contributors

It might be less so with packaging sort of repos, but for teams like DEI, CommOps, etc, there is a historic value

We could maybe have an "old" repo or something clearly marked as historical

If we really want to have a fresh start on new tickets

Yea a read only marked as historical is okay

I am less concerned about migrating issue metadata as much as the substance of the conversations itself

I would be "just curious" (_ahem_) to understand this more, because my intuition tells me to keep them in one repo. But I have bad intuition sometimes 🙂

In either case, probably better to take this to the ticket

Instead of the meeting chat

I think Cornelius Emase's action will keep us on track ✅️

All tickets and current info should be in one repo

Discuss in a new ticket :)

let's move to the next topic then 🙂

Justin Wheeler: is Mindshare also working on the regional communities too?

we should collaborate with them on this

and Cornelius Emase maybe you can share about the event you are planning in November

we have this one on 8th, !link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/open-source-fedora-at-kirinyaga-university-kenya-info-session-and-docs-workshop/168724

I'm still getting more info from the team at the university and update you soon

I remember this ticket now. I am wondering what the ask is though. We are discussing lots of ideas here, but there is not a clear vision for what the DEI Team should be doing

One of the problems with supporting regional communities is the current funding arrangements. We need to keep pushing OSPO for more flexibility there, or come up with another solution

there is a proposal here https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/proposal-supporting-fedora-regional-communities/162167/18 Justin Wheeler

And yes, the Mindshare Committee will be spinning up more on regional events. Luis Bazan was tagged today to be the lead on this part of Mindshare Committee, but he probably needs more than a few hours to be able to meaningfully cover ground here!

I think working with Justin Wheeler and Mindshare on the proposal would be great so we can decide some next steps

I still want an 'events' category on Discourse too

Not me, Luis Bazan 🙂

I mean, I have thoughts too

the proposal was created by Cornelius Emase during the Outreachy internship

But Luis Bazan is the bottom-liner for this topic in Mindshare Committee

yeah but we have touched also the budget topic there

This part of the topic: "2. Run fun, local events that spark curiosity"

I think the DEI Team could have the most impact on this one

Coming up with resources or a framework for how to organize events like this would be awesome

It does tie into the Digital Ambassadorship part of Mindshare that Emma Kidney will be spinning up on too

True, but this is less something the DEI Team has specific influence on than the Mindshare Committee. The DEI Team could help in bringing forward more local event proposals from diverse community members, I suppose.

We should focus less on dollars, and more on bringing some of these things forward in 2026.

Cornelius Emase whats the most important point we should look at?

I have some specific thoughts on making the budget more accessible and transparent, but this is work that I am actively working on now, and I will lean on Mindshare Committee as the natural place for the event-focused side of budget to happen

No, these are notbig budget items, but they do cost something and people can't be outof pocket

Of course.

I am not saying "budget of $0", I am saying, let's not focus on the politics of the money and focus on how to enable people to be successful.

So when someone wants to organize something, we have a small budget available, and an organizer knows how to get the most from the Fedora support

I disagree, everything successful gets funded somehow

I am not saying there is no funding though 🙂

I am saying, the DEI Team could have a great impact on making it easier to understand how to organize local events, or at least, to work with the corresponding Mindshare reps for the specific topics, e.g. Luis Bazan or Emma Kidney

we should identify the blockers/issues too - that's how the budget topic came up actually

(OMG I had this moment of deja vu where I feel like I am becoming Brian Exelbierd 😂)

I think that's what MatH is trying to say

(He said things like this a lot before and I didn't understand it so much at the time)

I see. I'd like to better understand what the blockers are. "There is no money" is not exactly helpful feedback for me, is what I am trying to say. There is money, but a number of things need to happen to make this more accessible. Some of that is blocked on me/Mindshare, but a lot of it comes down to the fact that we don't train people on how to do these sort of tasks well

Like, a roadmap for how to do an event like Cornelius Emase did would be awesome. And yeah, we can provide some dollars for doing things like that

I suggest you check out the thread later because there is a lot of discussion there

and you will better understand the issue 😅

we have less than 10 minutes left

so I want to wrap it up

I'm not seeing it there actually

you can check this as well: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-community-blueprint-all-you-need-to-know/163038

But we can defer

Cornelius Emase: is there anything you want to add for this issue?

Cornelius Emase: Oh wow, this is exactly the sort of thing I had in my mind

I have ideas and thoughts but I have consumed enough oxygen in this meeting already

I can reply to that topic

nope. just to say, if we have things move fast(or get support fast) would be great to have things run smooothly

On Fedora Discussion

I think we should also check what Mindshare will work on this topic

as there are some overlaps and we can help each other

so let's do Open floor

Anything else goes here

Folks any topic you want to discuss?

For sure

I'll mention this, since I posted it during the meeting 😛

Much more of the emerging Mindshare Committee context is documented there. It is an ongoing discussion but this is where it is beginning 🙂

I noticed it 😛

thanks for sharing it Justin

🌚

really curious about it

great things coming up 🙂

Yessssss

Nothing else from me though

anything else before we close it? 😄

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