2025-07-10 19:30:15 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !startmeeting ELN SIG 10 Jul '25
2025-07-10 19:30:17 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-07-10 19:30:15 UTC
2025-07-10 19:30:17 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'ELN SIG 10 Jul '25'
2025-07-10 19:30:28 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Init process
2025-07-10 19:30:28 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !meetingname eln
2025-07-10 19:30:29 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now eln
2025-07-10 19:31:33 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-07-10 19:31:35 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-07-10 19:31:54 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-07-10 19:31:55 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-07-10 19:32:18 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !hi
2025-07-10 19:32:19 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his
2025-07-10 19:32:34 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> (I'm busy with other things, but if you need my input on anything specific, please ping me)
2025-07-10 19:33:54 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> Troy Dawson Conan Kudo Neil Hanlon (@neil:fedora.im) Neil Hanlon (@nhanlon:beeper.com) ?
2025-07-10 19:34:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-07-10 19:34:04 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-07-10 19:34:09 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2025-07-10 19:34:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2025-07-10 19:34:21 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic New business
2025-07-10 19:34:38 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/269
2025-07-10 19:35:10 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> a new anaconda-webui which does not require firefox just landed in rawhide
2025-07-10 19:35:35 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> haven't looked at the details yet but I'm presuming we'll need to switch to that sometime
2025-07-10 19:36:07 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/267
2025-07-10 19:36:19 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !hi
2025-07-10 19:36:20 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Troy Dawson (tdawson)
2025-07-10 19:36:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sorry I'm late
2025-07-10 19:36:31 <@salimma:fedora.im> I wonder how that works
2025-07-10 19:36:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> ```
2025-07-10 19:36:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> ```
2025-07-10 19:36:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> %endif
2025-07-10 19:36:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> Requires: (firefox if fedora-release-workstation)
2025-07-10 19:36:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> %if ! 0%{?rhel}
2025-07-10 19:36:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> 	
2025-07-10 19:37:12 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh on RHEL it expects a flatpak browser
2025-07-10 19:38:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> For the last fedora-eln-logos issue there (bump the version) I'm still expecting to get that done by end of day today.
2025-07-10 19:39:09 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> thanks, the other thing needed to complete the switch is a fix for lorax, which was merged upstream but not yet released
2025-07-10 19:39:27 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> but WSL2 images are using the ELN logos already
2025-07-10 19:39:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> How often do they release that?   (lorax) ... last time that took some time didn't it?
2025-07-10 19:39:56 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> in rawhide, pretty frequently I think
2025-07-10 19:40:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh, ok.
2025-07-10 19:41:18 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/262
2025-07-10 19:41:53 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !info KDE comps groups are now supported in ELN
2025-07-10 19:42:15 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> so you can install Plasma on top of ELN just like you would with EPEL on RHEL/CS
2025-07-10 19:42:44 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> so while I was testing that and the logos, I encountered the EPEL KDE wallpapers issue
2025-07-10 19:43:01 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> so I did this:
2025-07-10 19:43:03 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/yselkowitz/epel-backgrounds-kde/
2025-07-10 19:43:30 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> this is a prototype of a fix for RHEL 10+
2025-07-10 19:44:55 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> it adds a package which includes symlinks for each EL distro's default backgrounds, and then tweaks kde-settings, plasma-desktop, and plasma-workspace to use that instead of fNN-backgrounds
2025-07-10 19:45:25 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> both Plasma and SDDM are accounted for with the latest iteration
2025-07-10 19:46:01 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I wish there was a better way ... but everyone names their backgrounds different, so ... ya.  
2025-07-10 19:47:55 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> Conan Kudo I know you had some questions about this, would be happy to discuss later (outside this meeting, for time's sake)
2025-07-10 19:48:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> pretty much everyone should be defining some kind of default symlinks that we can use, if not, we can try to get those fixed
2025-07-10 19:49:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't want us to have per-distro variants in epel at all
2025-07-10 19:49:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it doesn't scale
2025-07-10 19:49:36 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> but they're not, and 2 of the 4 have multiple wallpapers too just to complicate things
2025-07-10 19:50:09 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> but let's move on for now
2025-07-10 19:50:12 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/265
2025-07-10 19:50:30 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> the perl 5.42 bump *just* landed, so we'll see how big of a mess that makes
2025-07-10 19:50:41 <@salimma:fedora.im> woot
2025-07-10 19:51:07 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Old business
2025-07-10 19:51:18 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/252
2025-07-10 19:51:55 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca python-TestSlide is the last one (that I care about) needing a fix for Python 3.14
2025-07-10 19:52:19 <@salimma:fedora.im> ah right we really need to fix that
2025-07-10 19:52:48 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I did remove it from your workload to unblock the rest of it, but hopefully that's just temporary?
2025-07-10 19:53:16 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah. we just have had no time to follow this up
2025-07-10 19:53:33 <@salimma:fedora.im> but since we do want our open source projects to be installable in Fedora this needs to be fixed anyway
2025-07-10 19:53:33 <@davide:cavalca.name> Yeah this should be fixable 
2025-07-10 19:54:29 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> looking forward to a fix
2025-07-10 19:54:52 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/227
2025-07-10 19:56:11 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I've been experimenting with github's project planning features, and there's some good (but quite undersold) features there that I think will benefit us (particularly those of us working for RH)
2025-07-10 19:56:25 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> but to fully use it, everything needs to be in one org afaics
2025-07-10 19:57:44 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> with no idea yet how long the forgejo migration will take -- releng/infra have been quite busy recently with the DC move -- I'm strongly reconsidering my hesitation here to just move everything into fedora-eln now
2025-07-10 19:58:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I believe you've already move the content-resolver code over already haven't you?
2025-07-10 19:58:51 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> yes but we were the only recent contributors to that
2025-07-10 19:59:03 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> content-resolver-input is much more visible
2025-07-10 19:59:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Not the -input, but just the code ... yep.  That doesn't get as much interaction.
2025-07-10 20:00:23 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> so my impression from our previous conversation was that there were no objections but didn't seem to be a rush either.  now I think there is a good reason to make the move though.
2025-07-10 20:00:52 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> since we did discuss this among the group previously, it seems only right to bring it back here for reconsideration
2025-07-10 20:01:01 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> any objections to this?
2025-07-10 20:01:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm fine with it.
2025-07-10 20:01:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But I'm also working in the same group as you ... so ... I think I'm biased.
2025-07-10 20:02:56 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Though, if I didn't like it, I'd still tell you .. so maybe I'm not as biased as I'm thinking.
2025-07-10 20:03:37 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> any other thoughts on this?
2025-07-10 20:06:39 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> proposal: minimization/content-resolver-input should be moved (with due diligence) into the fedora-eln org so that all ELN work can be found in one place
2025-07-10 20:07:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Although I'm good with this, it's going to need to be announced more (and the web page(s) updated).
2025-07-10 20:07:51 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> that's the "due diligence"
2025-07-10 20:08:19 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Although in theory, github will magically link things, it still makes me nervous working from the wrong place.
2025-07-10 20:08:23 <@davide:cavalca.name> Would it make sense to wait for forgejo and just move everything there all at once instead?
2025-07-10 20:09:30 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> that was my thought at first, but it seems a ways out still and it's not necessarily a given even then
2025-07-10 20:10:22 <@davide:cavalca.name> Oh yeah if it'll be a while no objections from me
2025-07-10 20:10:42 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> it seems like it will be a while still but correct me if I'm wrong
2025-07-10 20:11:49 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> further discussion now, table until next week, or vote?
2025-07-10 20:13:26 <@davide:cavalca.name> Let's find out what the timeline is for forgejo and we can decide based on that?
2025-07-10 20:13:57 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> ok we'll table until next week
2025-07-10 20:14:03 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2025-07-10 20:14:12 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> oops almost forgot
2025-07-10 20:14:17 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Next meeting
2025-07-10 20:14:43 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> any conflicts next Thursday 17 July?
2025-07-10 20:14:55 <@davide:cavalca.name> Should be fine 
2025-07-10 20:15:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> No conflict with me (and I checked my calendar this time)
2025-07-10 20:15:53 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !info next meeting will be next Thursday 17 July 15:00 ET
2025-07-10 20:16:04 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> back to open floor, anything else for today?
2025-07-10 20:16:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I've got the updated fedora-eln-logos built, with the higher version ... so hopefully it will be in the next compose.
2025-07-10 20:16:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Not really an open floor thing though.
2025-07-10 20:17:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, nothing from me.
2025-07-10 20:19:05 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !endmeeting
2025-07-10 20:19:05 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> ok then, thank you all for your contributions, see you in channel(s) or back here next week