2025-04-24 19:01:22 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !startmeeting ELN SIG 24 Apr '25
2025-04-24 19:01:24 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-04-24 19:01:22 UTC
2025-04-24 19:01:24 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'ELN SIG 24 Apr '25'
2025-04-24 19:01:33 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !meetingname eln
2025-04-24 19:01:33 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now eln
2025-04-24 19:01:41 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2025-04-24 19:01:42 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2025-04-24 19:01:44 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Init process
2025-04-24 19:02:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !hi
2025-04-24 19:02:26 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Troy Dawson (tdawson)
2025-04-24 19:03:32 <@elguero:fedora.im> !hi
2025-04-24 19:03:33 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (elguero)
2025-04-24 19:03:36 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !hi
2025-04-24 19:03:37 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his
2025-04-24 19:03:53 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-04-24 19:03:54 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-04-24 19:04:03 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> welcome Michael L. Young, do you want to introduce yourself?
2025-04-24 19:06:01 <@elguero:fedora.im> Thank you yselkowitz . I have been attending the last few meetings. Interested in helping out but getting a feel for things too.
2025-04-24 19:06:31 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> welcome
2025-04-24 19:06:36 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> let's get started
2025-04-24 19:06:41 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Old business
2025-04-24 19:06:55 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> oops
2025-04-24 19:07:00 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic New business
2025-04-24 19:07:22 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I'm gone for two weeks and forgot how to run a meeting 🤦‍♂️
2025-04-24 19:07:44 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> no new issues in the tracker
2025-04-24 19:08:20 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> there were a bunch of unwanted deps that crept in over the long weekend, but the last of those should be gone by tomorrow
2025-04-24 19:08:35 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> anything else that I may have missed while out?
2025-04-24 19:09:42 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> i don't think so
2025-04-24 19:10:05 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Old business
2025-04-24 19:10:12 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/192
2025-04-24 19:10:33 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> the next step was to get the backgrounds used by default, any updates on that?
2025-04-24 19:11:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I just now realized that you probrubly meant for me to do that, but at the time, I was thinking someone else was going to do it.
2025-04-24 19:11:38 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-04-24 19:11:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-04-24 19:12:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, in short, no.  I wasn't even thinking about it.
2025-04-24 19:12:50 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> *somebody* needs to do it, and we'll need to give adamw a heads-up that needles will change when it lands
2025-04-24 19:13:18 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> or at least I presume they will
2025-04-24 19:13:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I can do it, unless someone else wants to.
2025-04-24 19:13:57 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !action Troy to work on getting the backgrounds used by default
2025-04-24 19:14:15 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/202
2025-04-24 19:15:08 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !info `openssl-devel-engine` deps have been removed from ELN proper
2025-04-24 19:15:20 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !info afaics there are 3 Extras packages which still BR, two have PRs pending
2025-04-24 19:15:58 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> the last is fsverify-utils, which I mentioned in chat earlier today, as part of Meta's hyperscale workload
2025-04-24 19:16:42 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !action Davide to verify the necessity of fsverify-utils
2025-04-24 19:16:54 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> (based on chat in channel)
2025-04-24 19:17:06 <@davide:cavalca.name> Yep will follow up on this
2025-04-24 19:17:44 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> great, once that's out, I'll propose completely disabling -engine from ELN builds
2025-04-24 19:17:52 <@salimma:fedora.im> I plan to add a package to the meta workload but it's tiny, and has no deps :)
2025-04-24 19:18:51 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> whatever you need, it just didn't seem like you were actually using that one, and it needs porting for `OPENSSL_NO_ENGINE`
2025-04-24 19:19:42 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/218
2025-04-24 19:19:47 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah fsverity is ... kind of in limbo, people want it in theory but no one has the energy to push it forward :)
2025-04-24 19:20:53 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> just got to find some way to connect to AI 😁
2025-04-24 19:22:19 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> anyway, the last two F42FTBFS in the ELN pkg set finally have PRs now
2025-04-24 19:22:25 <@salimma:fedora.im> I mean, that works for hardware enablement :P
2025-04-24 19:22:36 <@salimma:fedora.im> too bad we're not in the fintech business anymore or jsutifying fsverity might be easier
2025-04-24 19:23:06 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/219
2025-04-24 19:23:49 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> the last F42FTBFS in ELN Extras is packetdrill, https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/packetdrill/pull-request/1 is a partial fix but there is still an (unrelated) test error iirc
2025-04-24 19:23:58 <@salimma:fedora.im> there used to be a bank called Meta :P https://www.irelandbeforeyoudie.com/best-irish-bands/
2025-04-24 19:24:00 <@salimma:fedora.im> argh
2025-04-24 19:24:11 <@salimma:fedora.im> there used to be a bank called Meta :P https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathward
2025-04-24 19:24:51 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca guess whose package this is? 😁
2025-04-24 19:25:21 <@salimma:fedora.im> the scratch build still seems to fail
2025-04-24 19:25:23 <@salimma:fedora.im> ah partial fix
2025-04-24 19:25:31 <@davide:cavalca.name> Yeah I'm aware. We do need that one, we'll get it sorted out
2025-04-24 19:25:53 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> ok as long as you're aware
2025-04-24 19:26:41 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/227 
2025-04-24 19:26:54 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> sounds like you discussed this last time
2025-04-24 19:27:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep
2025-04-24 19:27:36 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I was thinking to take a wait-and-see approach wrt forgejo migration
2025-04-24 19:27:53 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah moving twice does not seem worth it
2025-04-24 19:28:12 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> is there a timeframe yet for forgejo?
2025-04-24 19:28:15 <@salimma:fedora.im> though yeah the minimization name is a bit too generic, a bit surprised it was even available
2025-04-24 19:28:38 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> well it's been quite a while
2025-04-24 19:31:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm ok waiting for longer.  I don't know about others, but I've already got everything setup pointing to the minimization area when I need to make changes.
2025-04-24 19:33:30 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !idea merging of the CR repos (from minimization org) into fedora-eln org can wait at least until more details are forthcoming wrt possible forgejo migration, but can be revisited if urgent need arises
2025-04-24 19:33:42 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> does that sum it up?
2025-04-24 19:34:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep, it does for me.
2025-04-24 19:34:31 <@salimma:fedora.im> lgtm
2025-04-24 19:34:35 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> let's vote!
2025-04-24 19:34:59 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> +1
2025-04-24 19:35:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> +1
2025-04-24 19:36:05 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> +1
2025-04-24 19:36:16 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> +1 ?
2025-04-24 19:36:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> +1
2025-04-24 19:37:07 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !agreed (+5, -0, 0) merging of the CR repos (from minimization org) into fedora-eln org can wait at least until more details are forthcoming wrt possible forgejo migration, but can be revisited if urgent need arises
2025-04-24 19:38:29 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/239
2025-04-24 19:39:20 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> no response yet from upstream afaik, besides for the python hack which people seemed to think would be slow
2025-04-24 19:39:33 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> otoh nobody has proposed a better solution
2025-04-24 19:41:09 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I think there's a saying in english about perfect being the enemy of the good...?
2025-04-24 19:41:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep ... I believe Stephen has said that many times.
2025-04-24 19:42:27 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I'm getting worried about falling further behind rawhide wrt cloud-init, particularly given the other changes in 25.1 (e.g. systemd units changes)
2025-04-24 19:44:23 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !action Yaakov to ping the maintainer
2025-04-24 19:45:16 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> there's also been a few docs PRs recently:
2025-04-24 19:45:19 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln-docs/pull/54
2025-04-24 19:45:25 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln-docs/pull/56
2025-04-24 19:45:28 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln-docs/pull/57
2025-04-24 19:46:30 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> is anyone familiar with vale?
2025-04-24 19:47:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> not I
2025-04-24 19:48:54 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !action Yaakov to follow up with PR author
2025-04-24 19:49:06 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Next meeting
2025-04-24 19:49:31 <@salimma:fedora.im> no idea
2025-04-24 19:49:33 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> next meeting would be Thursday 01 May, which may be a public holiday for some?
2025-04-24 19:49:47 <@salimma:fedora.im> ah, is it a holiday in Canada?
2025-04-24 19:50:14 <@salimma:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca: and I have a team event that day and likely will be having lunch / traveling at this hour
2025-04-24 19:50:19 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> no
2025-04-24 19:50:26 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> I have some familiarity with Vale...
2025-04-24 19:50:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm fine next week.
2025-04-24 19:51:24 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> any interest in reviewing that PR?  you don't need to make the final say on it but I'd be starting from scratch
2025-04-24 19:51:24 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> i'm also good next week
2025-04-24 19:51:49 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> yea i will put it on my list... at a glance it seems crazy to duplicate all the fixtures.. but .. i will review 😉
2025-04-24 19:52:52 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> it does seem like an awfully large patch just to have some testing, I'm wondering if that `.vale` directory actually belongs in version control?  but again I know nothing about vale.
2025-04-24 19:53:58 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !info next meeting will be on 01 May 15:00 EDT
2025-04-24 19:54:57 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> don't skip your lunch over it though!
2025-04-24 19:55:06 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2025-04-24 19:55:20 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> anything else to discuss today?
2025-04-24 19:55:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Nothing from me
2025-04-24 19:58:06 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> seeing none, thank you all for joining today, we'll see around in chat or at the next meeting
2025-04-24 19:58:08 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> nor I
2025-04-24 19:58:18 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> thanks @yselkowitz !
2025-04-24 19:58:19 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !endmeeting