Meeting started at 2025-03-05 18:00:15 UTC

The Meeting name is 'fedora-server '

Sorry regarding the missing agenda: I just discovered that I must have hit the wrong button and the email was saved in draft instead of sent. So we have to improvise a bit today.

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Paul Maconi (aggraxis) - he / him / his

As usual, let's wait a moment for everybody to show up.

I'll post the agenda in 2-3 minutes.

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Emmanuel Seyman (eseyman) - he / him / his

Hello, fellow kids!

Welcome Paul, Welcome Emmanuel

Well, I think we start now and hope, John and Steve will participate soon.

Anything to add?

Obviously not :-)

Regarding the action, nothing new. See

And no announcement from me.

I suppose no announcement at the moment.

No tracking issue yet

a) Who will participate

b) What message do we want to get across?

The questions are

The recording and sending tine is not determined yet. Usually it is in the US east evening.

While I don't see myself participating, I'm always in favour of the Server SIG being on the Fedora Podcast

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That was my intention, too.

My idea is to talk about some results of our server poll, talk a bit about a homelab spin-off and maybe about our issues with getting some Ansible playbooks working.

Any comment / additional ideas?

I suspect the poll should be the main subject

Yes, indeed. But not to much. We should have something new left for Fedora Magazine.

Perhaps add a mention that we are always looking for new people to help us

Yes. I will talk about that regarding homelab spin-off and Ansible.

We should make is specific. So anybody can see what exactly should be done.

At least for the next months or so.

I assume everything has been said at the moment?

We are missing John today. Emmanuel Seyman Could you manage to spent some time on this topic?

I will try to spend some time on it this week

FTR, I have my NPO's annual meeting this saturday and I am quite busy these days

OK, so I suppose we should re-schedule this topic in 14 days! or better in 3 weeks?

Let's try 14

Note that I will probably not be at the meeting next week so 14 is actually the bare minimum

OK., let's re-schedule in 14 days.

It's not urgent. We just have to be careful that the renewal junkies don't cripple our IPA server with the update. Some are in too much of a hurry and disregard the existing use of Fedora.

I have already objected to the plan as it currently stands.

Any comment to the mailing list thread?

I have read the whole thing with interest

I'm still hoping that bind-dydnb-ldap will work without OpenSSL engines in time for F43

Yes, but that is unclear according to Alexander.

Perhaps I can give him a hand

Not that I know anything about Bind's API...

Yeah, w/o secure DNS IPA doesn't work without adjustments. Upstream is working on that.

Emmanuel Seyman: As our expert for change proposals: Can you put this on your monitor list?

I will

Thanks.

Let's switch then

A while ago, I found an interesting graphic about the development of the use of, among other things, servers. I hope I can find it quickly.

Found it.

It is from CoreOS discussions.

We should have a closer look at the countme statistics.

Well, I'm not surprised to see the Cloud image take off like wildfire as people discover it, especially if you're making VMs on a hypervisor that supports cloud-init.

Even for RHEL systems, I cook a VM one time from a pre-fab kickstart, layer in cloud-init and some basic security changes via %post, then seal the image with some nice stuff in the cloud-init blocks in our production Proxmox clusters.

That first VM takes 12 minutes to cook itself once a quarter, but subsequent clones are up within minutes with almost no human intervention.

Fedora Cloud image on Proxmox is even easier than the guide I put together for using the regular server image. Make a VM, ingest disk, set up the hardware and cloud-init bits, convert to template.

Each clone gets its hostname set as the name of the VM. You pre-seed an account and pw and/or ssh key, and you're off to the races in seconds.

Yes, it is much easier than buying or renting a server.

Well, even consider places like Digital Ocean or other VPS providers. You don't have to do much to the Fedora images out of the box to get going quickly.

It just... works.

But is cloud computing really cheaper or at least more cost-effective? Based on some cursory research, I doubt it.

The cloud image has less to do with cloud computing and more with a way of provisioning.

It wakes the system up, configures the network ,hostname, credentials, generates new SSH keys, I think some plugin variant of cloud-init can resize a volume if need be, and can even trigger a package update on boot if desired.

It's almost like 'sysprepping' a Windows system.

Oh, I'm certain you can, on first boot, grow your image to whatever size the volume is

It is *VERY* nice to work with once you get a handle on what's going on.

Like I said, I demonstrated the capability to my customer, and he let me rebuild our template systems based on it.

By cloud computing, I mean running the server in longterm production in a cloud system.

We stopped making a distinction between local virtualization or what people started calling 'the cloud'. We either have the local private cloud, a public cloud, or a hybrid implementation between the two. Once we got away from VMware in particular and started using something that played nice with cloud-init, it's all just fluffy cloud. :)

Yes, cloud init is a relief if you set up and take down servers multiple times a month. But if you only use it once every few months,....

first boot is very elaborate, indeed.

For us, not so much. Aside from some key "named systems", we start from a common baseline concept and then build through automation. Even stuff we've had going for years.

Either way, I'm thrilled to see that kind of data out there and what folks are doing with Fedora.

Indeed, yes, that's interesting. We should have a closer look into the Server related data. I hope, Emmanuel and me can do that for our Flock talk (if our CfP gets accepted).

I think, that's it for today. Or is anything else to discuss?

Just thanks for doing what you guys do :)

Oh, yes, thanks!

Well, i'll close now

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