Meeting started at 2025-02-19 18:00:13 UTC

The Meeting name is 'fedora-server'

As usual, let's wait a moment for everybody to show up.

I'll post the agenda in 2-3 minutes.

!hello

Mowest is unable to attend today.

.hello

Emmanuel Seyman (eseyman) - he / him / his

Hi Emmanuel!

lagging a bit, zodbot ?

Hi, Peter

And I see, nirik ist lurking as usual :-)

!hi

John Himpel (jwhimpel)

Hi John!

Hello, John!

Unfortunately, I will have to leave at 45 min after the hour for an appointment.

Emmanuel Seyman: Peter Boy Back at you!

John Himpel: no problem, we will hurry

yeah, also in the epel meeting and trying to tame emails, but ping me if I'm needed for something specifc. ;)

nirik: We will do. That's a proven procedure

!hi

Justin W. Wheeler (jflory7) - he / him / his

We have our quorum, so let's start.

let's go, then!

JWW (@jflory7): you are welcome

info Follow-up actions & announcements

info Server user poll

Anything to add?

Or to remove?

I'm good

Nothing new here, nothing to announce from me.

Anything to add?

OL. Then

link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/145

Poll is now closed

500+ replies is FAR more than I would have thought possible

Yes, I closed the poll as we decided. If we want, we currently can add.

Latest statistics see may mail ffrom today:

nice to have a lot of data.

Yes, 574 complete answers, that's a lot.

Would someone suggest to let the poll open for another week?

I think, we would not gain a lot of that.

Me neither, I am in favor of closing

I think those who are going to respond, have already done so.

Indeed,. Therefore

That is awesome!

So, what about the next steps? I'm preparing an export. But I'll need 2-3 days. It's a lot of data and not easy to get that right and clearly laid out.

OK, so let's proceed to the next step so far. As soon as everybody can step through the answers, I hopefully will get more ideas what we can get from the data.

In the meantime, don't forget

for collecting ideas.

Current Status of Ansible Code?

Current Status of Documentation?

Latest revision in checked into the dev branch of the fedora server repo.

It still needs some effort, especially in the area of documentation.

It only supports NFSv4 (which has been out for many years now).

I think it's OK to (just) support NFS 4.

We may additionaly document, what someone can do in case of urgently needing an earlier version.

I followed the suggestion from Emmanuel to use systemd for the mounts on the client side.

I am always amazed at what systemd can do

NFSv3 requires a bunch more services and configuration. It also runs slower. People have had nearly a decade to upgrade.

Well, I guess we are now ready to try it out and gather some exp

Well, I guess we are now ready to try it out and gather some experiences?

oh, we should absolutely not support NFSv3

John Himpel: Yes, I agree. But sometimes crazy needs come out.

Ping me on the M/L if you have questions.

OK. So we will start to check it out.

Emmanuel Seyman: not even to document NFS 3

On the other hand, we probably don't have the resources to do so

no, v4 is here to stay

OK, fine for me, too.

Well, I guess, that's all at the moment?

I think so

OK

The critical question is whether we want to proceed as described and thus change the default configuration of the maintainer. Unfortunately, no one from the maintainers has come forward yet.

(since about on year)

Let's give Joe some time to respond

I'm not disputing your bugzilla entry, but if it was that generic, I would have thought there would be lots more "me too" entries in bugzilla. I don't use Apache (httpd), so I'm certainly not an authority.

The entry is marked "closed" due to inactivity. We need to either proceed or re-open the entry.

John Himpel: there was some discussion on ask fedora about it. Most are really "users" and don't create buguzilla entries.

John Himpel: there was some discussion on ask fedora about it. (ands still is now and then) Most are really "users" and don't create buguzilla entries.

By the way, I have a documentary on nginx in the works.

Emmanuel Seyman: OK, one more week?

one more week for?

We need to re-open the bugzilla entry if we expect any response from the maintainer.

when to decide.

one week to wait for httpd maintainers

What's to decide ? We recommend your layout starting now and, at the same time, we engage with the httpd devs to upstream it

one doesn't exclude the other

OK, thats fine. And we can adjust the doku if we come to a agreement mit httpd maintainers.

Agreed

proposed !agreed We create a supported web service following the current description of a basic setup in the server docs. This is also the basis for developing an Ansible playbook.

I suppose, no objections.

There is nothing new at the moment. Emmanuel, Mowest and me have to coordinate. I have proposals / drafts nearly complete. Se we can make it until Sunday, the deadline.

A proposal for CfP, not the complete talk!

I think, we are done here at the moment. So lets move on.

Anything to discuss here?

Nothing much, here

Lots of things to do that are not Fedora related, sadly

I'm glad that I have more time for Fedora at the moment.

I have to go now. See everyone next week.

Bye John!

And I think, we can close now. Can't we?

See you, John

Yes, I think we're finished, here

OK, then