2025-01-24 17:01:57 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !startmeeting ELN SIG 24 Jan
2025-01-24 17:01:58 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-01-24 17:01:57 UTC
2025-01-24 17:01:58 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'ELN SIG 24 Jan'
2025-01-24 17:02:11 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !meetingname eln
2025-01-24 17:02:12 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-24 17:02:12 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now eln
2025-01-24 17:02:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-01-24 17:02:18 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Init process
2025-01-24 17:02:25 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-24 17:02:27 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his
2025-01-24 17:02:27 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-24 17:02:29 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-01-24 17:02:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-24 17:02:35 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Troy Dawson (tdawson)
2025-01-24 17:04:40 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2025-01-24 17:04:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2025-01-24 17:05:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-01-24 17:05:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-01-24 17:05:32 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> looks like we have a nice crowd, let's get started
2025-01-24 17:05:38 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic new meeting time
2025-01-24 17:06:05 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> results are in, looks like we have a few options that will work for most of the group:
2025-01-24 17:06:33 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> 2. Thursdays 1pm ET
2025-01-24 17:06:33 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> 3. Thursdays 3pm ET
2025-01-24 17:06:33 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> 1. Tuesdays 1pm ET
2025-01-24 17:07:16 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> any preferences between these?
2025-01-24 17:09:11 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-01-24 17:09:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-01-24 17:09:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> option 3
2025-01-24 17:10:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> options 1 and 2 collide with other meetings for me
2025-01-24 17:10:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm good with any of them, but I prefer it on Tuesday, but again, any are good.
2025-01-24 17:10:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> option 1 is the same timeslot as fesco
2025-01-24 17:10:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so definitely not for me
2025-01-24 17:10:36 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> sorry I didn't see a response from you Conan Kudo 
2025-01-24 17:10:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah that's because I missed all this while being sick most of this month
2025-01-24 17:10:59 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> sorry to hear that
2025-01-24 17:11:09 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> probably best to avoid fesco though
2025-01-24 17:11:16 <@davide:cavalca.name> I have a preference for Tue as well but I can probably make these all work
2025-01-24 17:11:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> of the three options, option 3 is the only one I can reasonably make
2025-01-24 17:12:06 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> a "second place" option was Tuesday 3pm but one of you declined that
2025-01-24 17:12:41 <@salimma:fedora.im> let me check between 2 and 3 then
2025-01-24 17:12:47 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah conflicting with Fesco is absolute no go
2025-01-24 17:13:06 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> 2pm was worse
2025-01-24 17:13:39 <@davide:cavalca.name> Tue 3pm is better than Thu 3pm for me; 2pm would be even better (3pm is noon here, so I'd probably end up multitasking with lunch)
2025-01-24 17:14:01 <@salimma:fedora.im> 3pm ET Thu is right after centos promo, so that works. 1pm et means right after FPC so that's fine too, though that means I have a very late lunch
2025-01-24 17:14:48 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I'm hearing an overall preference for tuesdays
2025-01-24 17:14:58 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> i can make nay work, tues works though
2025-01-24 17:14:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> 3pm ET Thu is right after CentOA Alt Images, so it works for me
2025-01-24 17:15:03 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> any, even
2025-01-24 17:15:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> 3pm ET Thu is right after CentOS Alt Images, so it works for me
2025-01-24 17:15:18 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> given the various conflicts, it seems 3pm Tuesdays would be best in that case
2025-01-24 17:15:31 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> but Thursdays are still possible
2025-01-24 17:15:36 <@salimma:fedora.im> wait, i thought 3pm tuesday is not one of the three options
2025-01-24 17:15:39 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> so, tradeoffs to be made
2025-01-24 17:15:44 <@salimma:fedora.im> i have not checked my tuesday availability... let me check
2025-01-24 17:15:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> my tuesday availability is partly shot because I have a meeting at that time sometimes
2025-01-24 17:16:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's not weekly, but it is regular
2025-01-24 17:16:19 <@salimma:fedora.im> I would be fine with tue 3pm or thu 3pm
2025-01-24 17:16:34 <@salimma:fedora.im> I might have a preexisting appointment once that I don't want to move, but I can avoid it in the future
2025-01-24 17:16:43 <@salimma:fedora.im> are we tracking US/Canada time with this or UTC?
2025-01-24 17:16:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I can probably make tuesday 3pm work, it's just I'd be splitting it with a video call every few weeks
2025-01-24 17:16:52 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh ... ET, so it's easy to pin for me anyway
2025-01-24 17:18:02 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I was planning on tracking US/Canada Eastern
2025-01-24 17:18:06 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> whichever way
2025-01-24 17:18:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> pegged to US/ET works great
2025-01-24 17:18:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh, that was something I was going to ask.  Are we going to weekly, or keeping it by-weekly.
2025-01-24 17:19:00 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> weekly
2025-01-24 17:19:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It doesn't change my availability, just curious.   OK.  
2025-01-24 17:20:24 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> do we have enough consensus to make a proposal?
2025-01-24 17:22:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I am a +1 for options 1, 2, 3 or 4  (tuesday a 3pm) ... so I'll leave it up to the rest of you to decide.
2025-01-24 17:22:38 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I'm going to scratch option 1 as it conflicts with fesco
2025-01-24 17:22:43 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> so:
2025-01-24 17:23:15 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> 3. Thursdays 3pm ET
2025-01-24 17:23:15 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> 4. (added) Tuesdays 3pm ET
2025-01-24 17:23:15 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> 2. Thursdays 1pm ET
2025-01-24 17:24:34 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> could everyone put their preferences in order please
2025-01-24 17:24:44 <@salimma:fedora.im> 3,4,2
2025-01-24 17:25:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> 3,4,2
2025-01-24 17:26:32 <@davide:cavalca.name> 4,3,2
2025-01-24 17:27:26 <@salimma:fedora.im> (my slight preference for 3 is I don't really want to have other meetings *after* FESCo)
2025-01-24 17:27:42 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher: your preferences?
2025-01-24 17:27:43 <@salimma:fedora.im> or I might as well write off the day for doing non-meeting work
2025-01-24 17:28:57 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> yselkowitz: I told you previously not to block on me, but 2,4. I can't do 3.
2025-01-24 17:29:17 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Or rather, I can't do 3 for the next month; probably can once we get to March
2025-01-24 17:29:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I can't do 2 at all
2025-01-24 17:29:51 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I think we're ready for a proposal
2025-01-24 17:30:15 <@salimma:fedora.im> so 4 is the only option then
2025-01-24 17:30:48 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> Stephen said not to block on him
2025-01-24 17:30:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> yselkowitz: looks like the instructions was a bit ambiguous, probably tell people explicitly the choices do not have to be exhausted :)
2025-01-24 17:31:02 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Michel Lind 🎩 UTC-6: "Don't block on me", I said.
2025-01-24 17:31:19 <@salimma:fedora.im> true. I meant that Neal said he can't do 2 but it's on the list
2025-01-24 17:31:33 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> anyone want to propose?
2025-01-24 17:32:21 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> 3 looks like the best option, so I'm fine with missing the meeting for a while until my daughter's ski lessons are finished :)
2025-01-24 17:32:29 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I might be able to semi-attend by cellphone app.
2025-01-24 17:32:30 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> ready to vote?
2025-01-24 17:32:44 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> yselkowitz: Which day?
2025-01-24 17:32:57 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> 🤦‍♂️
2025-01-24 17:33:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> 3pm Friday is _great_ :P
2025-01-24 17:33:29 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> let's vote!
2025-01-24 17:33:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-01-24 17:33:48 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> +1
2025-01-24 17:33:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> +1
2025-01-24 17:34:38 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> A few times a year, this will probably coincide with the Go/No-Go meeting, but that's probably workable.
2025-01-24 17:35:11 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca Michel Lind 🎩 UTC-6 ?
2025-01-24 17:35:14 <@salimma:fedora.im> +1
2025-01-24 17:35:36 <@davide:cavalca.name> +1
2025-01-24 17:35:58 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !agreed (+6, -0, 0) future ELN SIG meetings will take place weekly on Thursdays at 3pm ET, meeting room to be determined by chair
2025-01-24 17:36:27 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> sorry Neil Hanlon  I missed you
2025-01-24 17:37:29 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> maybe we lost him?
2025-01-24 17:37:47 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> ope, sorry. i'm legit good with anything :) 
2025-01-24 17:38:03 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !action Yaakov to update the Fedora calendar and choose an available meeting room
2025-01-24 17:38:29 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic mass rebuild update
2025-01-24 17:39:10 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !info F42 and ELN mass rebuilds are complete, still cleaning up various issues
2025-01-24 17:39:37 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> the F42 mass rebuild was merged on Tuesday, the ELN mass rebuild went pretty quickly after that
2025-01-24 17:40:08 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> but there have been a lot of compose-breaking issues over the last few weeks, mostly due to the bin-sbin merge and sysusers changes which landed just before the mass rebuild
2025-01-24 17:40:36 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> the worst of those have been cleaned up and we finally got a post-mass-rebuild commit late last night
2025-01-24 17:41:15 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> but there are various issues to still clean up, including quite a number of (mostly F42) FTBFS, largely due to GCC 15
2025-01-24 17:41:34 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link ELN packages which F42FTBFS: https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/218
2025-01-24 17:41:55 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link Extras packages which F42FTBFS: https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/219
2025-01-24 17:42:14 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link ELN-specific build failures: https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/221
2025-01-24 17:43:21 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> individual maintainers have been working their way through the first and second lists on their own (since those are Fedora failures), and I've been looking at the third list
2025-01-24 17:43:22 <@salimma:fedora.im> I'm fixing some of them this week
2025-01-24 17:43:29 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> great news!
2025-01-24 17:44:53 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh boy util-linux failing
2025-01-24 17:45:26 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !action Yaakov to continue to monitor F42FTBFS fixes and update the trackers
2025-01-24 17:46:05 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> haven't looked into util-linux yet
2025-01-24 17:46:22 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> fixing the composes took most of my last couple days
2025-01-24 17:47:08 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> any other questions/comments on the mass rebuild?
2025-01-24 17:47:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> none from me
2025-01-24 17:48:28 <@salimma:fedora.im> none from me. oh -- some of us won't be around next week
2025-01-24 17:48:32 <@salimma:fedora.im> FOSDEM
2025-01-24 17:48:43 <@salimma:fedora.im> well, second day of the CentOS Connect fringe event pre-FOSDEM
2025-01-24 17:49:24 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> how many people are going to FOSDEM and won't make next Thursday?
2025-01-24 17:49:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Me
2025-01-24 17:50:22 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> anyone else?
2025-01-24 17:50:24 <@salimma:fedora.im> Me, Davide
2025-01-24 17:50:31 <@salimma:fedora.im> Neal too
2025-01-24 17:51:36 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> anyone to propose to cancel next week due to FOSDEM?
2025-01-24 17:52:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I propose we cancel next weeks meeting.
2025-01-24 17:52:10 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> me, too
2025-01-24 17:52:10 <@salimma:fedora.im> sure
2025-01-24 17:52:12 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> i second
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2025-01-24 17:52:27 <@salimma:fedora.im> great, I forgot the command
2025-01-24 17:52:37 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh, there is no command for proposing is there
2025-01-24 17:52:37 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> there is no action for moving a motion
2025-01-24 17:52:52 <@salimma:fedora.im> I move that we cancel next week's ELN meeting due to CentOS Connect and FOSDEM
2025-01-24 17:53:01 <@salimma:fedora.im> there, that sounds more complete for the logs
2025-01-24 17:53:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-01-24 17:53:18 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> Michel Lind 🎩 UTC-6 moves seconded by Neil Hanlon that the meeting for Thursday 30 January be canceled due to FOSDEM
2025-01-24 17:53:28 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> let's vote!
2025-01-24 17:53:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> +1
2025-01-24 17:53:41 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> +1
2025-01-24 17:54:17 <@salimma:fedora.im> +1
2025-01-24 17:55:15 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca Conan Kudo ?
2025-01-24 17:55:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-01-24 17:57:23 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !agreed (+4, -0, 1) the ELN SIG meeting for Thursday 30 January is canceled due to FOSDEM, next meeting will be Thursday 06 February 3pm ET
2025-01-24 17:57:34 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic open floor
2025-01-24 17:57:58 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> just a few minutes left, anyone have anything to bring to the group?
2025-01-24 17:58:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Nothing from me
2025-01-24 17:58:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> nope
2025-01-24 17:58:27 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> nope
2025-01-24 17:58:52 <@salimma:fedora.im> nothing
2025-01-24 18:00:26 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> thank you all for your patience today with the rescheduling, enjoy FOSDEM for those who are attending, and next time we'll be able to start working through tickets.  in the meantime, see you in channel
2025-01-24 18:00:28 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> big same.
2025-01-24 18:00:53 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you yselkowitz 
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2025-01-24 18:00:57 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !endmeeting