Meeting started at 2024-11-06 18:00:32 UTC

The Meeting name is 'fedora-server'

As usual, let's wait a moment for everybody to show up.

I'll post the agenda in 2-3 minutes.

!hello

Emmanuel Seyman (eseyman) - he / him / his

hi, Peter

hi Emmanuel

!hi

Jiří Konečný (jkonecny)

'1hi

jkonecny: Nice to meet you. Don't you working on Anaconda??

!hi

John Himpel (jwhimpel)

Hi John

Yes, I saw topics for today 😀

++1

Let's start with the Agenda

Anything to add?

I don't think adding anything would be wise...

:-)

topic 1. Follow-up actions & announcements

No change of actions yet.

Anything to announce?

Maybe as info:

Mowest and Justin are still working on getting our poll up and running. We should have progress nex week.

K, let's move on.

- Neil told us, remote interactive installation will be dropped

No tracking issue yet

Known potential issues up to now:

The new installer is planned for F42. I think we should explore what changes are coming for Server. Did anybody track the development?

- Software Raid on a UEFI system using GPT partitioning scheme

Sorry, typo in the issjue number!!!

No changes for server from Web UI change of Anaconda in F42

However, there is also Wayland migration change and that has switched from VNC to RDP which could impact you. FYI

No change is good for now and at the same time a little sad :-)

The Anaconda Web UI change is for Workstation only

OK, that means Anaconda will still start a VNC Server, but Workstation users have no VNC client? Or is it an extra installation.

(Sorry, I use a Mac as workstation)

But you can help us by providing feedback. We will have Test Days next week for this purpose. It's Workstation specific so limited for your case but you can tell what you like or not even on Workstation.

However, Web UI is Workstation only.

No, sorry for messing things up together. The Wayland native change changing VNC to RDP is for everyone.

AH, OK.

What about the long term? Remote interactive installation is very important for those whose servers are located in a data center.

Is he new Web UI "automatically" remote enabled?

I mean, the future WEB UI for Server

It most probably will. Right now, it does not because it's not that useful feature on Workstation

OK, but please, remember, it's highly important for server.

Without remote capability it would be more or less useless in many cases.

You can still use RDP

OK, did know about that. Is there some documentation anywhere?

did -> didn't

Another question: According to your planning, when could we expect a test version? And when we will probably switch?

I want to update current Server docs

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/installation/interactive-remote/#_how_it_works

Did not had time to do that so far

YES!! That would be great!

As part of this change

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Anaconda_As_Native_Wayland_Application

Just in case of difficulties, contact me. Please, could you modify stg version at first?

Not sure, I'll see.

Someone else with questions? I don't always want to “jump the queue”

I'm in "wait and see" mode

The RDP change is already in Rawhide

I'm mostly interested in WebUI, TBH

https://anaconda-installer.readthedocs.io/en/latest/boot-options.html#inst-rdp

Web UI will not happen for server soon

We need to implement missing functionality

ah, okay...

I'll stick with KVM for the present, then

We also have a long-standing non-UI Anaconda issue: https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/89. Can you say something about that too? Or how can we address it?

The EFI partition is on Raid, but non-standard and probably raid 1 only.

It should be working similiar as the biosboot partition

Sorry, I'm not an expert on such partitioning. You can ask on our channel where is vtrefny who knows much more than me

OK, I thought so :-)

And I'll do that soon, it's such an overdue issue.

Anything else from anybody?

Let's move on

Many thanks for all the information! It is reassuring that we are not running out of time in the short term. Thanks a lot for comming!

Don't worry we will contact you ahead of time. 👍

Thanks!

No tracking issue yet

Where do we stand?

We have a new doc and several updated docs. We need a review.

Regarding the new doc: Many thanks to Paul Maconi (Aggraxis)

It is a first step in our Work project "Fedora Server in a virtualized environment"

Any idea / comment?

Anybody for a review?

I'll gladly review

Emmanuel Seyman: ++1

pboy gave a cookie to eseyman. They now have 16 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 41 release cycle

Added to my TODO list. I should be able to do it before our next meeting

(which I will probably not be able to attend)

Another question: Should we add a dedicated Menu item "Fedora Server in/on virualized environments" with this one as our first contribution. I think we should that, it is one of our next working projekects.

I would wait until we have a second document

Yes, that makes sense.

I updated all our installation docs to f41. I think, we need some proofreading / reviewing, too. Someone should fix my German/English slang :-)

I'll be glad to but not right away

Hm, not that many at once.

Sorry, but I have to leave early. See everyone next week.

So long, John

OK, By John!

Well, another idea:

Shouldn't we move the installation guide for SBC to the menu item "Special: Singe Board Computers" ?

It's quite different from the other installations. And the target is somewhat special, too.

Well, probably we should that discuss on mailing list first.

Can we move on?

yes

Various open sub topics:

Work Project: Fedora Server in a virtualized runtime environment

!link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/108

Work Project: Fedora Server on (ARM) SBC

Any other new projects?

Or should we wait until we have the data of our upcomming poll?

I have resumed working on packaging Ansible roles

Oh yes! I missed that.

That's very important for our Ansible project.

Maybe we should put the aforementioned work projects on hold and resume after we have the poll?

On the other hand, I think the virtualized envirionment project is quite important.

But I think we should move to Open Floor for now.

there's only so much you can tell volunteers to do or not do

Yes, let's wrap up

Paul you started to write?

I have emailed Maxwell G asking him if he is interested in joining the Server SIG

!hi

Paul Maconi (aggraxis) - he / him / his

I just wanted to say hello! Sorry for missing the beginning of the meeting. It's the middle of my work day.

where are we on the kiwi conversion thing?

https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/146

Thank you for looking at and including my doc. I'm happy to help out any way I can.

adamw: It's on my todo list this week.

ah yes, I wanted to revisit the media naming issue

I work as an infra sysad during the day, mostly with RHEL in virtualized environments.

Paul, you are welcome in our group! Maybe we can cooperate in involving our "virtualized environment" project?

I'm interested in that, too.

Sure. I 'd love to hear more sometime

I'm kind of splitting my attention between some local fires (I blew up a Splunk instance) and this screen :)

OK, perhaps 80:20 ? (And guess who I wojuld like to see at the 80% :-) )

Let's talk about that opm Matrix over the next days.

adamw: I have to fix an issue with the rawhide KVM version. Therefore I would like to contact you and ask for details in the next days.

sure

OK, thanks

I see, our time is up. Anything else now?

I will probably miss our next meeting

Yes, it is the 2nd meeting a months and your perl engagement - if I remember correctly

Yes

I will probably be at FOSDEM in Febuary but that can wait

Well then, bye bye everybody. See you next week again or any other day on Matrix.