Meeting started at 2024-10-23 17:00:05 UTC

The Meeting name is 'fedora-server'

I'll post the agenda in 2-3 minutes.

As usual, let's wait a moment for everybody to show up.

!hi

John Himpel (jwhimpel)

Hello, folks

!hello

Emmanuel Seyman (eseyman) - he / him / his

!hi

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

Hi John, hi Emmanuel

John, I hope you are back well from your huricanhelping action.

!hello

Steve Daley (mowest)

Cut and moved a lot of fallen trees. Some of them used to be 80 ft tall. Hard but rewarding work.

Yeah, 80 ft, that's much and also not without danger to handle

But let's start

Any comment here ?

Do we need to add an agenda item about the mailing list build question that has generated a lot of discussion.

Did I miss something? mailing list build?

I suspect that's https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/146

"Move KVM image build" on the mailing list.

Oh, didn't notice it.

Yes, we should have a look.!

Probably as 3.a after user poll?

Keep in mind that ImageFactory will be wound down for Fedora Linux 42, as it's completely unmaintained and Fedora Cloud will be reaching out to all remaining users of ImageFactory to tell them to migrate to something else.

Neil, yes I know.

Well, let's start.

Nothing new regarding open actions.

We have a bug in our installation media. VNC installation doesn't work on bare metal. The link is:

Maybe, it's easy to fix.

Let's hope it is just a matter of nomodeset

Any comment here?

By the way, it's another example of thje imprtance of manual testing

I didn't even know that you could attach to GUI installer with VNC, that is interesting, I could change some of the manual installs I do.

that feature will be going away in F42, but yes

at least as of right now if nobody says anything

Ok, I guess I won't get used to using it.

Conan Kudo: Is there a replacement?

the problem is we don't have bare metal automated testing to cover these things

otherwise we could maintain regression testing for this stuff

kind of?

you can have Anaconda operate headless RDP, but it's more setup

and you can't share a running display IIRC

the larger problem is the low quality RDP clients

Hm, that sounds bad. We need thar functionalirty. In a data center you often have no terminal, at least not without a lot of heavy lifting.

As far as I know it is Workstation first with the new version, and server an everything else later?

Well, but I think that's a topic of its own

I didn't know that KIWI could generate iso files for installation by anaconda. I know it can generate images for direct importing into VMs. Did I miss something?

Currently, it's just KVM, I think. That is an image.

Well, let go forward with our agenda.

I tried to make a new summary:

SORRY, wrong link. That's the old one

The new one

Probably a short break for reading?

Well, any comments / ideas?

Before we finally decide, we should wait for Adam, who is quite busy until f41 is out, I think.

OK, no idea so far, I guess. Let's wait for Adam and continue on mailing list and next meeting.

https://mowest.limesurvey.net/778249?lang=en

I have make the request to "mindshare" for access to the Fedora LimeSurvey but nothing has happened in the last week. https://gitlab.com/fedora/mindshare/home/-/issues/66

This is our main topic today.

OK, who do we have to nag? Justin?

Ouch, I am sorry 🫣

I'm still trying to find a way for our first question to have multiple choice with an "Other" that had comments without adding comment spaces for every choice.

I need someone to help me administer the survey. Is it possible for me to set up 30 minutes to screen-share and go through LimeSurvey with someone?>

I would be willing to do that.

I am in another meeting right now, but if someone could work with me for 30 minutes sometime this week, I can help get this unblocked.

Sorry 🫣

OK, awesome! Drop me a Matrix DM and I will follow up soon.

Justin W. Flory (he/him): Okay

Okay, that sounds promising.

Our current state is my try on mailing list:_

So we have to decide about the question "How are you using Fedora Server?" (it is the 4.). What is our preference, with or w/o other/open answer

Personally, I don't what "How are you using Fedora Server?" to look like "What do you run on Fedora Server?" That would just muddy that simple question up in my opinion.

However, if I can just add an "Other:" option with a comment box just after that option, I would be more in favor of that.

In my research so far into Limesurvey, I haven't found a way to do that yet.

I'm a little inclined to stick with the current version, i.e. without other / open question.

And I suppose, mowest, yopu too?

Yes, that is my current preference. If I can't find a way to do the other solution that I mentioned. I like the simplicity of the question. I can't imagine a situation that isn't covered by one of those 3 options, but who knows.

OK, does someone prefer the "other" verfsion?

As was mentioned by Neil, there are enough "open" questions in the 10 that I think if another situation is out there the individual will have an opportunity to mention it in a later question.

proposed !ageeed We finally use the version as now online, i.e. without an "other" option for "What do you run on Fedora Server?"

For a survey, the more "closed" option questions we have, sometimes that provides the more interesting data to study, and it is easier to compile the results.

proposed !agreed We finally use the version as now online, i.e. without an "other" option for "What do you run on Fedora Server?"

mowest: ++1

pboy has already given cookies to mowest during the F40 timeframe

I mean: As a sociologist by profession, I agree

:-)

Any objection regarding the proposal?

Good, I'm not a sociologist by profession so I'm glad I came to the same conclusion as a professional.

😀

Next topic:

I don't mean to mess things up, but we were talking about this question, not the one mentioned, ""How are you using Fedora Server?"

Oh, did I catch the wrong question??

Yes

Sorry!

!undo

OK undo doesn't work

mowest: can you Agree the right one?

(write the line)

Yes, I knew what you meant.

Thanks!

Let's continue with KVM.

Does someone has a link?

https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/146

From what I read on the mailing list, I'm in favor of the proposal to move over to Kiwi, since that will be needed to be done after F42 anyway. Might as well move now and save some time before F42.

It does seem unavoidable

and I remember there been consensus that we should do it even before we had the current issue

Yes, I worked on imagefactory and it is a beast.

Yeah, and as far as I can see, I've made a faithful port of the definition.

Both the guest and host images

OK, I would like to have an eye on it. We must know, how to build our deliverables. It's bad enough with the issues of the iso files.

Where can we have a look on it?

adamw made a scratch build and linked it in the ticket

Oh nope that's the broken one

OK, I'll have a look. I missed that issue, don't know how that could happen :-)

Let me get the right one

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=125070598

Nevertheless, I suppose we agree to switch with the KVM image to Kiwi?

+1 for me

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For the minutes 😁

YES!

Which reminds me: is someone still working on https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/126 ?

Switching will substantially decrease the compose time too, which everyone will appreciate

But there is no downloadable image, yet?

We postponed the naming issue until Infra has fixed some open issues.

There is in that scratch build

Ah, OK I see

If we agree to switch to this, we can get stuff switched over quickly

Yeah, but I would like to test and have a look onto everything.

before we finally switch

Sure, be my guest

i would like to be

Out time is up. I'll contact you on matrix.

hum... That went by fast

Well, next meeting we should continue with our other topics of today first.

We have to make progress with the NFS project.

Have a great week, thanks for so many meeting up today, good showing.

Yeah thanks to everybody for coming. Until next week.

And we European should be aware of the tine shift !!!!

And we European should be aware of the time shift !!!!