Meeting started at 2024-04-17 17:00:25 UTC

The Meeting name is 'fedora-server'

Welcome to our Server WG meeting today! „Same procedure as every year“ We'll give a few minutes for folks to show up

Hi, folks!

Hello

Hi Emmanuel. hi cooltshirtguy

Obviously, we are short of participants today. 😙

OK, we waited now 6 mins. What shall we do? Should we start anyway? We can't decide, we need to be more than 3 members.

But we can discuss. ob course

Let's start. Maybe someone will show up. If not, we just talk

Honestly, I'm so worn out I'm not sure I up for deciding anything anyway...

OK, let's start.

info Review installation media

info Testing F40

No open issue here

Again, what about Flock / Richmond in August?

yes, let's talk Flock

Emmanuel and I arfe planing to join, so far. What about you cooltshirtguy?

I guess, Kevin and Stephen will join, too.

I won't be able to make it

What a pitty.

Well, I'll try to organize a meeting, maybe as hybrid if we have the technology available.

that would be great

Emmanuel, I have a plan for a talk. I'll send you tomorrow. I'm a bit late, unfortunately.

No problem

OK. So let's go on.

!!link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/N3ELOPUB2OSJ6N7BBT6VJGGYS3VBUUBC/

The question is, how to proceed. I proposed 3 possible alternatives.

Any idea here? We can't decide today.

I'm in huge favour of #1, FWIW

Yeah, may be the best option. At our next meeting F40 may be published - hopefully

OK, we skip for now and continue with next topic.

Mainly informational today. About 5 mins There is a response and explanation from the LVM maintainer. The matter works, but - as Vojtech Trefny put it - "unfortunately not thanks to the changes that I made". In the end, he did nothing. His attempts were unsuccessful. See the ticket above. And as far as I have seen, nothing has been changed in the kickstart file, too.

I think we should close the case and enjoy the fact that it works now, for whatever reason.

agreed on that one

not the result I was hoping for but I'll take it

OK

What is the current state? As far as I know, everything works as expected. I assume we can close this topic, too?

I wanted to automate my tests for the following releases...

I'm good

Yes, we have to systematize the tests. Something for one of our next meetings.

So:

!https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/126

I think, we should not decide today. But any comment on this today?

I really like offline/online terms

I like those too

Yes, I too. I hope we can make it for F41 that way.

Well. let's it open for discussion and decide next meeting.

That's really a bit urgent.

And we have to keep in mind, that we are supposed to write a release note about it. And probably initiate some other discussion, e.g. a blog post or a pod cast in cooperation with Fedora marketing.

I had thought we would stick with ARM SBCs. That's where we have the most groundwork.

Same here, to be honest

arm is a good idea

We can do something decent for F41 with Identity Management but F40 is coming up too fast

Yes, I've something back in my head, that we could write and present. I'll write it in the mailing list.

I see no comment, at the moment.

That's the most important today.

We have to start something about it soon.

Time is running fast.

Neil also opted for item d, identity server

Public File server (NFS/Samba) sounds like a nice option

Yes, do we have someone who is actually working with it? I'm currently all Web Service.

I would have thought F was a done deal

Yes, we talked about it. And about a (Server VM as VPS), with is something I'm working on a bit

I use nfs but it's all internal

My workstation doubles as an NFS server that exports my music, video and audio books. If someone find this interesting, I can write about that

Hi John !

but I've never touched Samba in my life and this seems to be the only thing people use.

yea, there'd a couple that would be ok, d or e

I've done samba and nfs before. samba has been a while.

Well, I think we need a short plan for each altgernative, about 5 - 19 sentences, specifically what the "product" or "outcome" should be.

I can do it for a, Emmanuel, could you do it for d (identity), and cooltshirtguy and jwhimpel for e (file server). ?

On mailing list, I think.

So we can discuss and imnprove it step by step

I will be glad to

do you want just client side or server side or both for nfs? Also, do you want how-to or high-level?

good question. high-level i would think.

I think specifically server side, but a bit about client, too. And it is about how to configure server, more howto, i think

Stories seem to be high leevel

Stories seem to be high-level

As a first step, John, could you have a look on my NFS doku in staging? The problem is, I don't get it working. Something must be wrong

I'll look at it if you provide the URL.

Emmanuell: yes, the story is high-level, but the "product" more or less howto

jwhimpel: https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/services/filesharing-nfs-installation/

Thanks. I"ll get to it either late Saturday or Sunday.

If you have any input, I'ld love to hear it as well

!hi

Fábio Ribeiro (farribeiro) - he / him / his

We have now narrowed this down to 3 alternatives. That is already a step forward.

hi Fábio Ribeiro Welcome

Let's talk at the next topic (Open Floor)

Ok

Anything to this topic now? Otherwise we would proceed on the mailing list.

jwhimpel, can you come to Flock?

Maybe. I should know in a week or two.

@jwhimpel That would be great !!!!!!!

I see no further comment? But jwhimpel is typing?

I'm becoming rather frustrated trying to match ARM SBC's and Fedora Server. The hardware that Server runs on is either not powerful enough or is a full-sized rack-mount board. It has taken several years to get Raspberry Pi 4 up and running and it is not powerful enough. Raspberry Pi 5 is out now, but the software (OS) isn't really ready yet. I know all of this is open source and work is done by volunteers, but something to run Postgresql and/or a mail server on as well as a system that can Wildfly/Nginx is not really there. I'm thinking of moving to N100 (X66/64) arch. </end rant>

@jwhimpel I just bought a N100 (Zotac ci 343). It's great!

Note that the above services would be okay on individual machines, but either the memory is too limited or the i/o is too slow.

I think very similar

I have to admit my ARM boards are for tinkering. All my production stuff is on Intel CPUs

And a Raspi it not powerful enough, but e.g. a Radxa Rock 3399 is. And it is cheaper as a Raspi

TBH, you're not supposed to run PostgreSQL on ARM SBCs.

I'm the same. PI4 for fun

There are all kinds of people

I will try to further flesh out my thinking for our next meeting.

@jwhimpel I would like to compare a n100 and a Radxa Pi 4 (3399) and a Radxa model 5b. I think, you have some experience with performance tests?

OK, I think we should switch to Open Floor now :-)

it very much depends what you do. ARM and x86 are optimized for different things

Emmanuel, could you specify?

@farribeiro:matrix.org Welcome again. Do you specific questions or issues?

I've seen RPi5 beat N100 CPUs in some tests and get wasted in others

it really depends on what you're planning to run on it

I'm going to load Home Assistant on 1 of my Pi4s. Good for testing.

Home Assistant - would be great! I want install it, too. But couldn't manage yet.

Could be a great part of "Fedora Server as environment aware personal Server and NAS replacement"

Check out https://gladysassistant.com/

@eseyman ++1

Good find. I hadn't see that one

Anything else to discuss?

Nope. Let's wrap it up

OK. I see no further comment. We have already overdrawn and should close.

So I close now. See you in 14 days, May 1st if I'm right.

See you then.