Meeting started at 2024-03-18 08:00:14 UTC

The Meeting name is 'i18n'

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Kan-Ru Chen (kanru) - he / him / his

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As you know Fedora 40 development is still in Beta Freeze

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due to blocker bugs https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/40/beta/buglist its getting delayed

Hi everyone

Currently Beta 1.7 is available for testing

Hopefully we will see Beta released by next week

anything to discuss here about F40 development cycle?

if nothing let's move to next topic

anything to discuss here related to these Changes in F40?

I think Takao may address some bugs

Ok

moving to next ticket

This ticket is to remind you that we still have some bugs to fix

go through this list of bugs for F38 and triage them

Moving to next ticket

As you know we did our F40 testweek this month

I have added summary report in the wiki page

I will close this ticket now

any questions/feedback on this event?

Thanks

It was my first time. I'm impressed by some of the test steps :)

Do let us know if you would like to see any testcase steps changes/improved

moving to next ticket

https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/185

any update here pwu

I think Kan-Ru Chen recently updated ibus-chewing to 2.0?

I think Kan-Ru Chen recently updated Fedora ibus-chewing to 2.0?

I think we can compare ibus-libzhuyin with ibus-chewing 2.0.

If ibus-chewing 2.0 is packaged in Fedora.

Thanks, Jens Petersen I pushed ibus-chewing 2.0 to rawhide.

It might be okay to push it to F40 too?

Do you plan to update it in Fedora 39?

I only updated F39 and F40 with a small bug fix. The change in 2.0 is quite large (gtk4 and tray icon) but functional wise it's almost the same so I don't feel we need to rush.

We could even have a test day for F41 perhaps

Anyway I agree it would be nice to test more and compare the IMEs

Agreed

Sure, I'm also actively working on libchewing so the tests would also provide valuable feedback regarding features to priortize :)

It could also be discussed on Discourse

Great!

It could also be discussed on Fedora Discourse

What are next steps for this ticket then?

One problem we often face with these Changes is lack of community feedback

The more consensus there is around the Change the better

I can help broadcast the message to TW community (at least to the places I'm aware)

That would be fantastic

Cool

paragan: I think enough to summarise today's discussion

Thanks

let's move

anything to discuss here?

I have a topic in mind

I have been thinking if we need a tool for installing and removing langpacks and default-fonts and other i18n config?

But it's not entirely clear to me

Currently it seems gnome software automatically installs some? Not sure on other desktop.

For example it's a bit hard to remove default-fonts currently, but we could install less top metapkgs perhaps as a workaround?

Kan-Ru Chen: you are right

and actually our default desktop coverage is quite good

Containers or Toolbox is different of course

Another "use-case" could be CJK rendering priority for example, though it could also be handled otherwise perhaps

Overall our approach is quite different to Ubuntu, which has long had a language tool

Thoughts, comments?

dunno if that situation is really improved by tool. that is actually rpm/dnf issue. if it can be improved there, that would be better.

Whether a tool is more "discoverable" than metapkgs is also debatable certainly - nvm I still feel there can be value even as an experiment

tagoh: perhaps we should do something, even for F40, the current removal behaviour is probably suboptimal

I could open a big for that

I could open a bug for that

I already have one bug open https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2237646

Whether a tool is more "discoverable" than metapkgs is also debatable certainly - nevertheless I still feel there can be value even as an experiment

Great

Ah yes

anything more to discuss here?

I assume no further discussion happening here

Let's close this meeting then

Thanks to those who joined this meeting