2024-03-28 16:33:03 <@tflink:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora-pytorch
2024-03-28 16:33:04 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-03-28 16:33:03 UTC
2024-03-28 16:33:04 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora-pytorch'
2024-03-28 16:33:18 <@tflink:fedora.im> !topic intro
2024-03-28 16:33:37 <@tflink:fedora.im> sorry for the delay, my computer suddenly started having issues and my keyboard stopped working
2024-03-28 16:33:45 <@tflink:fedora.im> !hello
2024-03-28 16:33:47 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Tim Flink (tflink)
2024-03-28 16:38:54 <@trix:fedora.im> me too
2024-03-28 16:39:12 <@trix:fedora.im> different issues, same results
2024-03-28 16:39:22 <@tflink:fedora.im> fun times
2024-03-28 16:39:59 <@tflink:fedora.im> it's just the two of us but it's also 10 minutes since the scheduled start. I assume that nobody else is attending
2024-03-28 16:40:26 <@tflink:fedora.im> I suppose that we should just quickly go through the agenda for the purpose of documenting updates
2024-03-28 16:40:35 <@trix:fedora.im> sounds good
2024-03-28 16:40:40 <@tflink:fedora.im> !topic rocm+torch progress
2024-03-28 16:41:06 <@tflink:fedora.im> !info torch 2.3 has rocm enabled in rawhide, will need more testing
2024-03-28 16:41:27 <@trix:fedora.im> 2.3-rc6 as of yesterday.
2024-03-28 16:41:36 <@trix:fedora.im> yes much more testing needed
2024-03-28 16:41:55 <@tflink:fedora.im> we should probably prepare statements as to why rocm and cuda aren't enabled in f40. I expect we're going to get questions and complaints once f40 releases
2024-03-28 16:42:56 <@trix:fedora.im> behold the wonders of rawhide! 
2024-03-28 16:43:00 <@tflink:fedora.im> but I don't think that there's much else to say on this topic. I need to get a better test case documented and public but that's a slightly different topic
2024-03-28 16:44:59 <@trix:fedora.im> 2.3 is wip some stuff works some doesn't.. i ran into the miopen problem you reported after getting torchvision updated and testing the examples again.
2024-03-28 16:45:17 <@tflink:fedora.im> the work continues :)
2024-03-28 16:45:27 <@tflink:fedora.im> anyhow, moving on
2024-03-28 16:45:28 <@tflink:fedora.im> !topic are more pytorch packages needed?
2024-03-28 16:45:42 <@tflink:fedora.im> most of the basic packages are in rawhide, at least
2024-03-28 16:46:04 <@tflink:fedora.im> are there other torch-related packages that should be packaged?
2024-03-28 16:46:08 <@trix:fedora.im> i think just 3-4 other pytorch packages
2024-03-28 16:46:43 <@trix:fedora.im> it could be a very big list
2024-03-28 16:47:14 <@tflink:fedora.im> since nobody else is here, we should start a discourse topic asking for input
2024-03-28 16:47:23 <@trix:fedora.im> groovy
2024-03-28 16:47:28 <@tflink:fedora.im> I expect we may get more requests once F40 is released
2024-03-28 16:47:34 <@tflink:fedora.im> but for now ... crickets :)
2024-03-28 16:47:57 <@tflink:fedora.im> !topic pytorch vs python-torch naming
2024-03-28 16:48:06 <@tflink:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2272064
2024-03-28 16:48:18 <@trix:fedora.im> i'm adding the provides: in rawhide
2024-03-28 16:48:24 <@trix:fedora.im> it costs nothing
2024-03-28 16:49:15 <@tflink:fedora.im> apparently, there was a typo in some F40 release docs that has been corrected but `dnf install pytorch` was listed as the way to install pytorch. this has changed into a request to enable that command via requires so that people can use `dnf install pytorch`
2024-03-28 16:49:38 <@tflink:fedora.im> and then be confused when you can't effectively use `import pytorch` in python
2024-03-28 16:50:00 <@tflink:fedora.im> I still think it's stupid but isn't going to argue it more
2024-03-28 16:50:01 <@trix:fedora.im> daahhhh.. that cost to fix is a lot more.. so no
2024-03-28 16:50:11 <@tflink:fedora.im> that's upstream's problem
2024-03-28 16:51:05 <@tflink:fedora.im> that rhbz is going to be updated to include F40 for the provides change if it's only fixed in rawhide
2024-03-28 16:52:03 <@trix:fedora.im> at this point i don't know about f40
2024-03-28 16:52:25 <@tflink:fedora.im> not sure I follow, don't know what about f40?
2024-03-28 16:52:57 <@trix:fedora.im> i am waiting on the big ask for rocm in f40
2024-03-28 16:53:15 <@tflink:fedora.im> f40 final freeze is tuesday, I think
2024-03-28 16:53:47 <@trix:fedora.im> ahhh good times.
2024-03-28 16:54:43 <@tflink:fedora.im> again, I expect complaints about the state of pytorch in F40 once F40 releases, maybe sooner now that beta is out
2024-03-28 16:55:08 <@tflink:fedora.im> people won't read the docs and will expect pytorch to have support for cuda
2024-03-28 16:55:48 <@trix:fedora.im> yeah, well when a problem comes in that needs a fix, the provides: can be added then.
2024-03-28 16:56:40 <@tflink:fedora.im> I think that the request was for F40 but I'm removing myself from the discussion :)
2024-03-28 16:57:02 <@tflink:fedora.im> !topic F40 and HW acceleration
2024-03-28 16:57:21 <@trix:fedora.im> por is no.
2024-03-28 16:57:33 <@tflink:fedora.im> por?
2024-03-28 16:57:42 <@tflink:fedora.im> am I just being slow today?
2024-03-28 16:57:54 <@trix:fedora.im> plan of record - a fancy way to say no
2024-03-28 16:58:05 <@tflink:fedora.im> on second thought, lets leave this topic off for now
2024-03-28 16:58:08 <@tflink:fedora.im> !undo
2024-03-28 16:58:17 <@tflink:fedora.im> !topic open floor
2024-03-28 16:58:25 <@trix:fedora.im> in rawhide, yes!
2024-03-28 16:58:28 <@tflink:fedora.im> any other topics that folks want to bring up?
2024-03-28 16:58:56 <@tflink:fedora.im> ah, plan of record makes sense
2024-03-28 16:59:23 <@trix:fedora.im> for accel, i ahve rocm fine, looking for others to help with cuda and xpu
2024-03-28 16:59:41 <@trix:fedora.im> and any other backend people really care about
2024-03-28 16:59:53 <@trix:fedora.im> care == willing to do the work on it
2024-03-28 17:00:23 <@tflink:fedora.im> yeah, I expect complaints either way, though :)
2024-03-28 17:00:42 <@tflink:fedora.im> but for F40, we've been pretty clear about pytorch being CPU only so that won't get far
2024-03-28 17:01:26 <@tflink:fedora.im> we're at the top of the hour, though so I move that we close the meeting out
2024-03-28 17:01:48 <@tflink:fedora.im> !action tflink to create topic in Fedora discourse about desired/required pytorch related packages
2024-03-28 17:01:58 <@trix:fedora.im> yup sounds good
2024-03-28 17:01:59 <@tflink:fedora.im> should have done that earlier
2024-03-28 17:02:19 <@tflink:fedora.im> anyhow, thanks for coming
2024-03-28 17:02:47 <@tflink:fedora.im> !info next meeting is scheduled for 2024-04-11 on google meet
2024-03-28 17:02:52 <@tflink:fedora.im> !endmeeting