Meeting started at 2026-07-14 16:03:27 UTC

The Meeting name is 'ELN SIG 14 Jul '26'

The Meeting Name is now eln

!hi

Troy Dawson: Troy Dawson (tdawson)

It's looking a little slim this week.

!hi

jligon: Jeff Ligon (jligon)

well, at least one thing we can talk about

[jligon](https://matrix.to/#/@jligon:matrix.org) any updates?

The meeting above has my updates. Blocked by vacation.

lol sorry no meat to my updates

oh hadn't seen that

sigh, things should never be blocked on one person

Yes it is a structural problem, one thing I think would be helpful here is to move other container builds (such as the non-bootc images) and other builds into Konflux as well

i.e. https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/577#issuecomment-4906823028 a bit too

how would that help?

That way everyone get's to feel the pain?

Force more people to pay attention?

Basically yes

Jeff started working on bootc enablement back in February, it's now July and it's still not in. why would attempting to enable more images at this point yield better results?

to be fair, i've been slow rolling it

that wasn't directed at you :-)

if i had more urgency, i believe i would have gotten there faster

i know, i've been very clear up front that i've been taking my time on it, and keeping low priority is my point.

and that's fine, I'll be happy to have them when we get it, but the delays on the konflux side worry me

single point of failure is a concern of mine too

every PR is taking weeks to review, and I've lost count of how many PRs have been necessary so far

6ish

so as an action, I'll try to give this more urgency when joel is back, and set a deadline for myself to get it done in under a week from his return

it's not blocked on you right now though, it's blocked on them

we still need to figure out what namespace to push it to after its built as well

i can be less lazy, for sure

that's easy, it should go to quay.io/fedora/eln-bootc

what about the centos version after fedora?

huh??

the fedora-eln images is a precursor to the centos-eln bootc image

uh no

"centos-eln" makes no sense

There is a konflux bootc configuration in the rhel section of the pagure-centos repo.

pungi-centos?

That's https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/release-engineering/pungi-centos/-/merge_requests/1126 - which is part of the problem, there's about 4 different build systems, and the fedora-bootc-konflux is just one

That's what the repo is called. It's the pungi configs for both centos and rhel.

look what you wrote :-)

Whereas basically, it would just be better if we also did the pungi->konflux path here in ELN work (for *all* images) then it would all generally work the same

great topic to get straight then

to be clear this is a confusion in my head issue, so thanks for explaining

a conference call might work better than this if further clarification is needed

the Fedora-ELN spin is the next major RHEL version being worked on in Fedora. setting up a bootc image of it makes it consumable by folks who want to take an early look at it and make sure things are working in it. after completing the Fedora-ELN bootc image, I planned on doing the same thing in a centos-eln bootc image so that we would have bootc images enabled early for us to use in automotive as well as the next major of RHEL

if thats wrong or not helpful, please tell me what I can change to make it helpful

and my connectivity is going in and out for some reason

again, there is no such thing as "centos-eln"

I think he means centos 11 builds

probably, again, I'm not usewd to getting this deep into the details

I have to drop though, I'm basically just saying the problem here has little to do with bootc really, it's mostly a side effect of konflux + fedora + bootc special casing for unnecessary reasons and if the larger "we" focused on making it not a special case, it would fix more things generally and help RHEL-on-Konflux

c11s is still in early bootstrap, we won't have any composes until later this year, and nothing for sure reliable until early next year

i agree, it hasn't been hard to build the images with some minor changes, most of the waiting has been getting it to build in the correct place

it sounds like we need a call to hammer all this out

I'm not trying to get us a supportable centos 11 earlier, I'm trying to get bootc enabled earlier

s/supportable/reliable/

definitely a topic for another forum, although [Troy Dawson](https://matrix.to/#/@tdawson:fedora.im) would be involved in that too

sure

I've had several calls with sghalagher where I explained what I was trying to do and he squinted at me for a bit and he tried to explain why I was using the wrong terms. again, its me learning.

Yep. If you have that meeting, pull me in. We're already working on the packages for Konflux of CentOS Stream 11, hopefully we can pull the bootc config in too when we are setting up the pungi configs.

any major conflicts next week?

I should be here

anything else?

Nothing from me

clear!

sounds good, see you in channel or back here next week