2024-04-15 15:03:21 <@kalev:fedora.im> !startmeeting Fedora Flatpak Packaging SIG
2024-04-15 15:03:22 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-04-15 15:03:21 UTC
2024-04-15 15:03:22 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Fedora Flatpak Packaging SIG'
2024-04-15 15:03:26 <@kalev:fedora.im> !meetingname flatpak-sig
2024-04-15 15:03:31 <@kalev:fedora.im> !topic Init process
2024-04-15 15:04:29 <@kalev:fedora.im> yselkowitz Owen Taylor let's do a quick meeting :)
2024-04-15 15:04:47 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !hi
2024-04-15 15:04:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Yaakov Selkowitz (yselkowitz)
2024-04-15 15:04:52 <@kalev:fedora.im> hi!
2024-04-15 15:05:35 <@kalev:fedora.im> I don't think Owen is around today, so it's probably going to be just us two
2024-04-15 15:06:11 <@kalev:fedora.im> for anyone lurking, I've opened a new whenisgood poll to see if we can find a better meeting time, http://whenisgood.net/tq89pr2
2024-04-15 15:06:23 <@kalev:fedora.im> what topics do we have today? F40 status?
2024-04-15 15:06:26 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic f40 mass rebuild
2024-04-15 15:06:46 <@kalev:fedora.im> I see you've done the vast majority of rebuilds already, awesome work
2024-04-15 15:07:12 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !info ~82% of flatpaks are rebuilt for f40 and in testing
2024-04-15 15:07:19 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://pad.riseup.net/p/Tyg0nsudHLy2v__a0HzE
2024-04-15 15:07:35 <@kalev:fedora.im> whoah, that's a lot
2024-04-15 15:07:44 <@kalev:fedora.im> and thanks for taking care of the firefox rename
2024-04-15 15:07:45 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> there were a bunch of FTBFS for various reasons, still working through them
2024-04-15 15:08:07 <@kalev:fedora.im> do you want me to look at some of them?
2024-04-15 15:08:13 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I'm not going to be around so much for the rest of the month though
2024-04-15 15:08:40 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> if you could look at the ones you typically deal with, that would help
2024-04-15 15:08:54 <@kalev:fedora.im> sure
2024-04-15 15:09:11 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> a few problems we have at the moment:
2024-04-15 15:11:02 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> 1) the split between pandoc and pandoc-cli has broken previous assumptions about building ghc apps in flatpaks, and breaks the resulting binary as well if it builds at all.  right now I have untagged the /app builds and am using the /usr buildroot build for now, but the markdown apps that actually need to include pandoc are blocked
2024-04-15 15:12:09 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> 2) there are a bunch of obsolete `BuildRequires: pygobject3-devel` which no longer work because that provides was removed from python3-gobject-devel.  I sent a message to devel@lists.fp.o about this; they all need to be fixed and then built manually for f40f
2024-04-15 15:12:38 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> 2) there are a bunch of obsolete `BuildRequires: pygobject3-devel` which no longer work because that provides was removed from python3-gobject-devel.  I sent a message to devel@lists.fp.o about this; they all need to be fixed and then built manually for f40f
2024-04-15 15:12:55 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> * the split between pandoc and pandoc-cli has broken previous assumptions about building ghc apps in flatpaks, and breaks the resulting binary as well if it builds at all.  right now I have untagged the /app builds and am using the /usr buildroot build for now, but the markdown apps that actually need to include pandoc are blocked
2024-04-15 15:13:05 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> * there are a bunch of obsolete `BuildRequires: pygobject3-devel` which no longer work because that provides was removed from python3-gobject-devel.  I sent a message to devel@lists.fp.o about this; they all need to be fixed and then built manually for f40f
2024-04-15 15:13:18 <@kalev:fedora.im> grr, I think it may be easier to just add the removed provides for f40
2024-04-15 15:13:25 <@kalev:fedora.im> grr, I think it may be easier to just add the removed provides back for f40
2024-04-15 15:13:31 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> * some packages are just still FTBFS since the F40 mass rebuild
2024-04-15 15:13:53 <@kalev:fedora.im> what are the ghc apps? I didn't know we had any
2024-04-15 15:14:40 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> well, pandoc itself for a few markdown editors, and bustle
2024-04-15 15:15:34 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> and then there are various other issues
2024-04-15 15:15:46 <@kalev:fedora.im> oh, what else?
2024-04-15 15:16:48 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> haven't got around to all of them yet
2024-04-15 15:17:01 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> but the three categories above cover many of the cases
2024-04-15 15:17:57 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> anyway, I'll keep working on them as time permits, but no guarantees that everything will be ready for GA
2024-04-15 15:18:37 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> the runtimes and core apps for silverblue and kinoite are already pushed to stable so that they could be included in last week's RC
2024-04-15 15:18:46 <@kalev:fedora.im> I'll pitch in as well and try to fix some of them
2024-04-15 15:18:56 <@kalev:fedora.im> excellent - thanks for getting that done in time for the release
2024-04-15 15:19:19 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> otherwise whatever is now in testing, I'll push to stable around GA
2024-04-15 15:19:59 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> for f41 we really need to be more on top of the schedule, so that we know when the bits are needed and have them ready in time
2024-04-15 15:20:05 <@kalev:fedora.im> sounds good
2024-04-15 15:20:37 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I got a late start on this due to rhel 10 branching but nobody else has been around either
2024-04-15 15:21:43 <@kalev:fedora.im> I think ideally we'd start f41 builds already now, and have some kind of automation kick off automated rpm rebuilds to match regular rpm builds
2024-04-15 15:22:17 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I don't think that's possible until f41 branches?
2024-04-15 15:23:11 <@kalev:fedora.im> I don't see why it shouldn't be possible. It's just that we haven't done it like that in the past :)
2024-04-15 15:23:32 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> if we start when fedora branches then there is lots of time, but I was completely occupied by rhel 10 branching
2024-04-15 15:24:11 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> but yes automation would really be nice
2024-04-15 15:25:04 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I've been trying to keep notes on things I had to bootstrap and the like, which should help f41 go smoother
2024-04-15 15:25:23 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> anyway
2024-04-15 15:25:34 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> that's where we are holding so far
2024-04-15 15:25:55 <@kalev:fedora.im> good idea with notes
2024-04-15 15:25:55 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> there were also 4 renames, with one to go
2024-04-15 15:26:24 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> firefox, freeciv-gtk, gweled, xca, and then thunderbird which is FTBFS
2024-04-15 15:27:04 <@kalev:fedora.im> I see
2024-04-15 15:27:29 <@kalev:fedora.im> what did you want to rename thunderbird to? I think there were two options and it wasn't obvious to me which one it should be
2024-04-15 15:28:02 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I thought it was going to be org.mozilla.thunderbird but I haven't looked yet since the RPM is still FTBFS
2024-04-15 15:30:10 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> any other questions about what is done so far?
2024-04-15 15:30:14 <@kalev:fedora.im> ahh, yes, looks like it was renamed to org.mozilla.thunderbird in the rpm build as well, that makes it clear
2024-04-15 15:31:26 <@kalev:fedora.im> no nothing else from me right now. I haven't looked at flatpak builds in a while and I think I'll just have to do a few and maybe I'll get questions then :)
2024-04-15 15:32:14 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic openh264
2024-04-15 15:32:30 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> any news here?
2024-04-15 15:33:00 <@kalev:fedora.im> no, I think we need Owen to figure out the next steps
2024-04-15 15:33:34 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> in what state is your PR?
2024-04-15 15:34:40 <@kalev:fedora.im> it was in a working state when I filed it two months ago :)
2024-04-15 15:35:57 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> could you try with f40 now that it has noopenh264 and gstreamer1-plugin-openh264?
2024-04-15 15:37:16 <@kalev:fedora.im> definitely - I'll do a local build with the extension point added and put the resulting runtime up somewhere so you can test it as well if you want
2024-04-15 15:37:38 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> or show me how to build one locally
2024-04-15 15:37:57 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> this is the biggest usability issue in fedora flatpaks right now
2024-04-15 15:39:35 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> because of infra freeze this won't happen for f40 GA but let's aim to get this done soon thereafter
2024-04-15 15:40:19 <@kalev:fedora.im> agreed, we really need to get this wrapped up
2024-04-15 15:40:45 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> moving along
2024-04-15 15:40:52 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic issue trackers
2024-04-15 15:41:17 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !info speech-dispatcher-libs are included in f40 runtimes
2024-04-15 15:41:20 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://gitlab.com/fedora/sigs/flatpak/fedora-flatpaks/-/issues/28
2024-04-15 15:42:01 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> needs further testing but I don't remember seeing any of the firefox warnings with the f40 build
2024-04-15 15:42:52 <@kalev:fedora.im> I see you added --filesystem=xdg-run/speech-dispatcher to firefox. I guess thunderbird needs the same, right?
2024-04-15 15:43:23 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> does TB support that api that it would need it?
2024-04-15 15:43:59 <@kalev:fedora.im> I don't know
2024-04-15 15:44:29 <@kalev:fedora.im> what warnings did you see from firefox? I don't have the new version yet and I can't see any speechd related warnings
2024-04-15 15:44:43 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> only certain websites trigger it
2024-04-15 15:45:09 <@kalev:fedora.im> do you have an example? I'd love to test this a bit
2024-04-15 15:45:13 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> info is in the ticket
2024-04-15 15:45:26 <@kalev:fedora.im> ahh ok, I'll look
2024-04-15 15:47:02 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !info no "Fedora Flatpaks" product in RHBZ
2024-04-15 15:47:07 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://gitlab.com/fedora/sigs/flatpak/fedora-flatpaks/-/issues/29
2024-04-15 15:47:18 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> not sure how we should handle this
2024-04-15 15:48:33 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> a few times I've been tagged by the RPM maintainer about a problem, and I've dealt with it there
2024-04-15 15:50:20 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> something to think about when we more of an audience
2024-04-15 15:50:44 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !info flatpakBuild[Arch] are not searchable in kojiweb
2024-04-15 15:50:48 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/koji-flatpak/issue/1
2024-04-15 15:50:54 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> this is for Owen
2024-04-15 15:51:06 <@kalev:fedora.im> I am not sure either. I think it would make sense to have a separate product, but it's quite a bit of overhead at the same time. I think last time this came up Owen thought it would be best to not create a separate product - but I guess we'll need him to discuss this in details.
2024-04-15 15:51:32 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I had been thinking more about a Flatpak version for components under the Fedora product
2024-04-15 15:51:51 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> but let's discuss another time
2024-04-15 15:52:11 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> that's all I've got for new issues
2024-04-15 15:52:27 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic open floor
2024-04-15 15:52:46 <@kalev:fedora.im> thanks for bringing them up - I think it makes sense to go through new issues every time, even if we don't know how to solve them
2024-04-15 15:52:53 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> agreed
2024-04-15 15:53:22 <@kalev:fedora.im> it could always be that someone lurking has ideas, or someone who's reading the meeting minutes
2024-04-15 15:55:45 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> anything else?
2024-04-15 15:56:10 <@kalev:fedora.im> nothing from me
2024-04-15 15:57:01 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> again, I'll be around only part-time this week, and then out for the rest of the month
2024-04-15 15:58:04 <@kalev:fedora.im> OK, I guess we'll pick up meetings again when you are back
2024-04-15 15:58:23 <@kalev:fedora.im> I'll keep an eye on flatpak builds while you are gone
2024-04-15 16:00:30 <@kalev:fedora.im> alright, let's end the meeting - thanks yselkowitz!
2024-04-15 16:00:32 <@kalev:fedora.im> !endmeeting