2024-01-31 16:32:04 <@siosm:matrix.org> !startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
2024-01-31 16:32:08 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-01-31 16:32:04 UTC
2024-01-31 16:32:08 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'
2024-01-31 16:32:09 <@siosm:matrix.org> !topic roll call
2024-01-31 16:32:38 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !hi
2024-01-31 16:32:45 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !hi
2024-01-31 16:32:56 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michael Armijo (marmijo)
2024-01-31 16:32:56 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his
2024-01-31 16:33:05 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !hi
2024-01-31 16:33:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Yasmin Valim de Souza (ydesouza)
2024-01-31 16:34:14 <@jdoss:beeper.com> !hi
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2024-01-31 16:34:19 <@jlebon:fedora.im> !hi
2024-01-31 16:34:21 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (jlebon)
2024-01-31 16:34:25 <@siosm:matrix.org> !hi
2024-01-31 16:34:27 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Timothée Ravier (siosm) - he / him / his
2024-01-31 16:34:32 <@jdoss:beeper.com> !hello jdoss
2024-01-31 16:34:33 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Joe Doss (jdoss)
2024-01-31 16:34:39 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> travier: FYI: I added a ticket to the meeting checklist 
2024-01-31 16:34:52 <@jdoss:beeper.com> Hello FCOS folks
2024-01-31 16:34:58 <@spresti:fedora.im> !hello spresti
2024-01-31 16:34:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Steven Presti (spresti)
2024-01-31 16:35:15 <@fifofonix:matrix.org> !hi
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2024-01-31 16:35:22 <@fifofonix:matrix.org> !hello fifofonix
2024-01-31 16:35:24 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fifo Phonics (fifofonix)
2024-01-31 16:36:40 <@siosm:matrix.org> !topic Action items from last meeting
2024-01-31 16:37:00 <@ravanelli:matrix.org> .hi
2024-01-31 16:37:10 <@siosm:matrix.org> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-coreos-community-meeting-minutes-2024-01-24/102641
2024-01-31 16:37:13 <@siosm:matrix.org> We have actions!
2024-01-31 16:37:21 <@siosm:matrix.org> Action items
spresti to investigate if there are actions we need to take to pre-test golang 1.22 before it hits rawhide
dustymabe to open an issue for further investigating `Enable IPv4 Address Conflict Detection`
jlebon to open an issue for F40 communications
fifofonix to coordinate with travier a time to collaborate and understand the problems more
fifofonix to coordinate with travier a time to collaborate and understand the problems related to fwupd more
2024-01-31 16:37:32 <@siosm:matrix.org> Action items
* spresti to investigate if there are actions we need to take to pre-test golang 1.22 before it hits rawhide
* dustymabe to open an issue for further investigating `Enable IPv4 Address Conflict Detection`
* jlebon to open an issue for F40 communications
* fifofonix to coordinate with travier a time to collaborate and understand the problems more
* fifofonix to coordinate with travier a time to collaborate and understand the problems related to fwupd more
2024-01-31 16:37:40 <@siosm:matrix.org> Any updates on thoses?
2024-01-31 16:37:53 <@siosm:matrix.org> Any updates on those?
2024-01-31 16:38:05 <@siosm:matrix.org> Action items:

- spresti to investigate if there are actions we need to take to pre-test golang 1.22 before it hits rawhide
- dustymabe to open an issue for further investigating `Enable IPv4 Address Conflict Detection`
- jlebon to open an issue for F40 communications
- fifofonix to coordinate with travier a time to collaborate and understand the problems more
- fifofonix to coordinate with travier a time to collaborate and understand the problems related to fwupd more
2024-01-31 16:38:08 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !info dustymabe opened https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1656 to track `Enable IPv4 Address Conflict Detection`
2024-01-31 16:38:26 <@jlebon:fedora.im> !info jlebon opened https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1655
2024-01-31 16:38:34 <@jlebon:fedora.im> !info jlebon opened https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1655 for the F40 communications
2024-01-31 16:38:42 <@jmarrero:matrix.org> .hi
2024-01-31 16:39:54 <@fifofonix:matrix.org> !info fifofonix spoke to travier re fwupd which was a lot more complicated than fifofonix understood. fifofonix only qualified to test with some suggested conf settings to stop agent after a time period. and is figuring that out.
2024-01-31 16:40:35 <@spresti:fedora.im> !info spresti researched and posted docs on golang 1.22 here https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1626#issuecomment-1910993267\
2024-01-31 16:40:54 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> fifofonix: travier does that mean we need to find another volunteer - or does it mean fifofonix just needs more help than anticipated?
2024-01-31 16:41:33 <@siosm:matrix.org> I think one of those is more difficult that the other and we likely need more people looking at it
2024-01-31 16:41:57 <@spresti:fedora.im> Oh goodness can we edit our info's I added an unintentional '\'
2024-01-31 16:42:14 <@spresti:fedora.im> Oh goodness can we edit our info's I added an unintentional '\\'
2024-01-31 16:42:42 <@siosm:matrix.org> Not sure, maybe give it a try?
2024-01-31 16:43:30 <@spresti:fedora.im> !info spresti researched and posted comment on how golang 1.22 needs to be addressed =>here https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1626#issuecomment-1910993267
2024-01-31 16:43:48 <@siosm:matrix.org> So we need an additional volunteer for the fwupd issue
2024-01-31 16:44:02 <@siosm:matrix.org> Let's start with what we have on the agenda
2024-01-31 16:44:08 <@spresti:fedora.im> Eh, looks like no, It edited fine but I dont think the bot picked it up
2024-01-31 16:44:18 <@siosm:matrix.org> !topic tracker: Fedora 40 changes considerations
2024-01-31 16:44:23 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1626
2024-01-31 16:44:46 <@siosm:matrix.org> Should we resume where we left off last week?
2024-01-31 16:45:20 <@siosm:matrix.org> 130. Boost 1.83 upgrade
2024-01-31 16:45:33 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> yeah. one sec - let me update the description real quick
2024-01-31 16:45:42 <@siosm:matrix.org> 130 - Boost 1.83 upgrade
2024-01-31 16:46:14 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> ok - updated
2024-01-31 16:46:53 <@siosm:matrix.org> Boost 1.83 upgrade
2024-01-31 16:47:10 <@siosm:matrix.org> 130 - Boost 1.83 upgrade
2024-01-31 16:47:40 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info 130 - Boost 1.83 upgrade
2024-01-31 16:47:54 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info 130 - Boost 1.83 upgrade
2024-01-31 16:48:18 <@siosm:matrix.org> Should not impact us
2024-01-31 16:48:37 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info 131. Removing OpenSSL 1.1 package
2024-01-31 16:48:57 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RemoveOpensslCompat
2024-01-31 16:49:09 <@siosm:matrix.org> Should not impact us either
2024-01-31 16:49:21 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info 132. SPDX License Phase 3
2024-01-31 16:49:31 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SPDX_Licenses_Phase_3
2024-01-31 16:50:08 <@siosm:matrix.org> I think this is happening progressively already?
2024-01-31 16:50:46 <@jmarrero:matrix.org> I believe so, we updated a bunch of specs in the past. 
2024-01-31 16:50:52 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> we had a ticket last cycle I think for making sure all our packages were compliant
2024-01-31 16:51:12 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> i'd be interested if there is a current list of non-compliant packages to see if any of ours are on it
2024-01-31 16:51:18 <@siosm:matrix.org> https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1497
2024-01-31 16:52:32 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1497
2024-01-31 16:52:34 <@jlebon:fedora.im> love the checkbox list there ✔️
2024-01-31 16:52:54 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info 133. Build Fedora Cloud Edition Images Using Kiwi in Koji
2024-01-31 16:53:03 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KiwiBuiltCloudImages
2024-01-31 16:53:22 <@siosm:matrix.org> Should not impact us (and we're doing osbuild)
2024-01-31 16:53:40 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info 134. Enable systemd service hardening features for default system services
2024-01-31 16:53:52 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SystemdSecurityHardening
2024-01-31 16:54:27 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i wish 133 went into more details on what the misalignment with osbuild was
2024-01-31 16:55:18 <@siosm:matrix.org> I've heard that kiwi is much easier to work with than osbuild
2024-01-31 16:55:35 <@siosm:matrix.org> and understands comps, etc.
2024-01-31 16:56:04 <@siosm:matrix.org> but I don't have first hand experience with kiwi so I can not confirm
2024-01-31 16:56:31 <@jdoss:beeper.com> I gotta bounce early folks 👋
2024-01-31 16:56:57 <@jlebon:fedora.im> travier: interesting, thanks.
2024-01-31 16:57:32 <@jlebon:fedora.im> 134: there's a bunch of ostree services in there. we should turn those on upstream though
2024-01-31 16:57:43 <@siosm:matrix.org> 134 is a bit vague. Looks like changes will happen on a per-package basis and not system wide
2024-01-31 16:58:35 <@jlebon:fedora.im> it really should be "try upstream first, and then resort to packaging level", but i can appreciate that being way more work
2024-01-31 16:58:46 <@jmarrero:matrix.org> I can create a issue in ostree to track this and see which ones we can add. It looks like we would not want to enable the private netrwork etc.
2024-01-31 16:59:47 <@siosm:matrix.org> Is there actually a service in ostree?
2024-01-31 17:00:12 <@jlebon:fedora.im> travier: no long-running ones if that's what you mean
2024-01-31 17:00:22 <@siosm:matrix.org> ah, it's the onshot units
2024-01-31 17:00:29 <@siosm:matrix.org> ah, it's the oneshot units
2024-01-31 17:00:40 <@ravanelli:matrix.org> I worked in kiwi in the past, to create ova image for suse. It was much easier to work than OsBuild  
2024-01-31 17:01:05 <@jlebon:fedora.im> it wouldn't be hard to test the impact of this by opening a PR and seeing what upstream CI says
2024-01-31 17:01:17 <@siosm:matrix.org> Renata Ravanelli: Oh, I'll need your help then for another secret project!
2024-01-31 17:01:30 <@siosm:matrix.org> Renata Ravanelli: Oh, I'll need your help then for another secret project! 🍎
2024-01-31 17:01:54 <@ravanelli:matrix.org> It accepts scripts and everything inside the image itself. The part that is not good, is that you need to add package by package
2024-01-31 17:02:04 <@siosm:matrix.org> OK, should we open an issue to track hardeding our units?
2024-01-31 17:02:09 <@siosm:matrix.org> OK, should we open an issue to track hardening our units?
2024-01-31 17:02:17 <@jlebon:fedora.im> SGTM!
2024-01-31 17:02:47 <@siosm:matrix.org> !action travier open an issue to track hardening our units
2024-01-31 17:03:05 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info 135. GNU Toolchain Update (gcc 14.0, binutils 2.41, glibc 2.39, gdb 14.1)
2024-01-31 17:03:12 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GNUToolchainF40
2024-01-31 17:03:16 <@siosm:matrix.org> this should not impact us
2024-01-31 17:03:31 <@siosm:matrix.org> well, it will, but there is nothing specific to do
2024-01-31 17:03:49 <@siosm:matrix.org> on to the smaller ones
2024-01-31 17:03:53 <@jlebon:fedora.im> agree
2024-01-31 17:03:59 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info 214. Move /var/run selinux-policy entries to /run

2024-01-31 17:04:04 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Move_var_run_selinux_policy_entries_to_run
2024-01-31 17:04:22 <@siosm:matrix.org> I don't think we need to do anything here
2024-01-31 17:05:09 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info Update Kubernetes to v1.29 in Rawhide
2024-01-31 17:05:18 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Kubernetes-1.29
2024-01-31 17:05:30 <@ravanelli:matrix.org> travier: fyi https://github.com/ravanelli/kiwi/tree/master/SLES/SLES12SP4
2024-01-31 17:05:35 <@siosm:matrix.org> We don't ship kubernetes in FCOS
2024-01-31 17:06:46 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i mean... ideally we'd have a story there and collaborate way more with the new maintainers 😢
2024-01-31 17:06:47 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info Haskell GHC 9.6 and Stackage LTS 22
2024-01-31 17:07:01 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> interesting that it's a change request for rawhide
2024-01-31 17:07:02 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Haskell_GHC_9.6_and_Stackage_22
2024-01-31 17:07:13 <@siosm:matrix.org> we don't have GHC/Haskell packages in FCOS AFAIK
2024-01-31 17:07:21 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> interesting that the k8s change is a change request for rawhide
2024-01-31 17:07:37 <@jlebon:fedora.im> SKIPIT
2024-01-31 17:07:49 <@siosm:matrix.org> I think it's just a wording/process error
2024-01-31 17:09:04 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info Podman 5
2024-01-31 17:09:10 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Podman5
2024-01-31 17:09:53 <@siosm:matrix.org> hum, don't we already have something to track that?
2024-01-31 17:10:10 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> yes
2024-01-31 17:10:13 <@siosm:matrix.org> https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1629
2024-01-31 17:10:17 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1629
2024-01-31 17:10:22 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1629
2024-01-31 17:11:02 <@jlebon:fedora.im> we knew it was coming but they hadn't submitted the proposal yet
2024-01-31 17:11:06 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info Unified Kernel Support Phase 2
2024-01-31 17:11:12 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unified_Kernel_Support_Phase_2
2024-01-31 17:12:43 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> some of those dep chain changes might impact us (i.e. we might need to name packages explicitly
2024-01-31 17:12:45 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> some of those dep chain changes might impact us (i.e. we might need to name packages explicitly)
2024-01-31 17:12:50 <@siosm:matrix.org> this one is using kiwi to build the cloud images
2024-01-31 17:13:48 <@siosm:matrix.org> https://pagure.io/fedora-kiwi-descriptions/pull-request/9
2024-01-31 17:14:12 <@siosm:matrix.org> It's interesting for the UKI work to support that in FCOS but not something we need to act on now
2024-01-31 17:15:02 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info 219. Fedora Atomic Desktops
2024-01-31 17:15:09 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AtomicDesktops
2024-01-31 17:15:15 <@siosm:matrix.org> This is a name change only.
2024-01-31 17:15:59 <@siosm:matrix.org> OK, I think we're good. dustymabe can I let you update the comment with the updates? (later)
2024-01-31 17:16:23 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> yep.. i've been writing down notes as we've been discussing these - thanks for driving travier 
2024-01-31 17:16:52 <@siosm:matrix.org> !topic systemd-homed.service & systemd-pstore.service are enabled by default
2024-01-31 17:16:57 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1518
2024-01-31 17:17:33 <@siosm:matrix.org> So, this was different before as we "preset-all" but it has been fixed in Fedora to match what we do
2024-01-31 17:18:09 <@siosm:matrix.org> Should we do anything? Should we disable/mask systemd-homed given that we likely don't support it?
2024-01-31 17:18:20 <@siosm:matrix.org> or just do nothin and move on
2024-01-31 17:18:26 <@siosm:matrix.org> or just do nothing and move on
2024-01-31 17:18:52 <@siosm:matrix.org> Fresh systemd-homed discussion: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/homed-during-installation/103876
2024-01-31 17:19:33 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> hmm
2024-01-31 17:19:54 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I don't know if I have a strong opinion. I guess I'd be interested to know if it doesn't work at all for us. 
2024-01-31 17:19:57 <@jlebon:fedora.im> are there any fundamental reasons why homed wouldn't work?
2024-01-31 17:20:07 <@jlebon:fedora.im> heh :)
2024-01-31 17:20:15 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> if it doesn't then masking it might be the right thing to do. but we'd probably want to doc somewhere on our docs site why
2024-01-31 17:20:56 <@siosm:matrix.org> apparently, according to user reports, it does not work well but I haven't tried it
2024-01-31 17:22:29 <@siosm:matrix.org> As it's not a priority / main use case for FCOS, I'd say we leave it as is until someone complains
2024-01-31 17:22:39 <@siosm:matrix.org> or until someone investigates
2024-01-31 17:22:51 <@jlebon:fedora.im> agreed. was essentially typing the same thing :)
2024-01-31 17:23:25 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> yeah. i mean if it doesn't work in Fedora then it won't work in FCOS and we shouldn't work to make it work I don't think (at least not a high priority)
2024-01-31 17:24:04 <@spresti:fedora.im> Sorry all, I have to drop early :/
2024-01-31 17:24:40 <@siosm:matrix.org> OK, let's leave it as is. If someone is interested, they can investigate support
2024-01-31 17:25:09 <@siosm:matrix.org> dustymabe: should we talk about the last item? We only have 5 min so maybe next time?
2024-01-31 17:25:28 <@siosm:matrix.org> I should have ordered it before the previous one
2024-01-31 17:25:32 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> yeah, SGTM - in the meantime add comments to the ticket if you want
2024-01-31 17:25:42 <@siosm:matrix.org> !topic Open Floor
2024-01-31 17:25:50 <@siosm:matrix.org> Will close in 5 minutes
2024-01-31 17:27:15 <@siosm:matrix.org> I've started working / looking at minikube (for teaching and works well as a learning tools). I'm looking at making an FCOS variant of it. It's currently based on buildroot and while it's minimal for sure, it's super custom to maintain.
2024-01-31 17:27:26 <@siosm:matrix.org> I've started working / looking at minikube (for teaching and works well as a learning tool). I'm looking at making an FCOS variant of it. It's currently based on buildroot and while it's minimal for sure, it's super custom to maintain.
2024-01-31 17:30:29 <@siosm:matrix.org> Alright, if we have nothing else.
2024-01-31 17:30:33 <@siosm:matrix.org> !endmeeting