2024-01-17 16:29:18 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
2024-01-17 16:29:20 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-01-17 16:29:18 UTC
2024-01-17 16:29:20 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'
2024-01-17 16:29:23 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !topic roll call
2024-01-17 16:29:27 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !hi
2024-01-17 16:29:28 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his
2024-01-17 16:30:10 <@jlebon:fedora.im> !hi
2024-01-17 16:30:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (jlebon)
2024-01-17 16:31:48 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !hi
2024-01-17 16:31:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michael Armijo (marmijo)
2024-01-17 16:31:50 <@gurssing:matrix.org> !hi
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2024-01-17 16:31:55 <@mnguyen:fedora.im> !hi
2024-01-17 16:31:56 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michael Nguyen (mnguyen)
2024-01-17 16:33:01 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> !hi
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2024-01-17 16:33:12 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !hello c4rt0
2024-01-17 16:33:14 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Adam Piasecki (c4rt0) - he / him / his
2024-01-17 16:33:22 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> !hi jbtrystram
2024-01-17 16:33:24 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jean-Baptiste Trystram (jbtrystram) - he / him / his
2024-01-17 16:33:46 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> you all will need to update your FAS account with your matrix info - gursewak ^^
2024-01-17 16:34:47 <@gurssing:matrix.org> !hi gursewak
2024-01-17 16:34:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Gursewak Singh (gursewak)
2024-01-17 16:34:53 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Nice!
2024-01-17 16:35:15 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> let's get started soon
2024-01-17 16:35:27 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !topic Action items from last meeting
2024-01-17 16:35:44 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !topic there are no action items from the last meeting.
2024-01-17 16:35:58 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !topic Platform Request: Proxmox
2024-01-17 16:36:05 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/736
2024-01-17 16:36:43 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Jonathan Lebon: want to intro this one since you tagged with `meeting`?
2024-01-17 16:36:54 <@jlebon:fedora.im> sure thing
2024-01-17 16:38:41 <@jlebon:fedora.im> support for Proxmox has been discussed before, and I think it was another case of "if there's interest, we're open for others to implement it", and some tickets related to that were spun out (see https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/736#issuecomment-777221334)
2024-01-17 16:39:00 <@jlebon:fedora.im> one notably about "platform support tiers"
2024-01-17 16:39:24 <@jlebon:fedora.im> anyway, there's a PR now in afterburn for adding support for the platform: https://github.com/coreos/afterburn/pull/1023
2024-01-17 16:40:21 <@jlebon:fedora.im> it's being added for another distro (Flatcar) but it still helps FCOS too if other parts are eventually implemented too
2024-01-17 16:40:54 <@jlebon:fedora.im> at the very least, we should agree on a platform ID so that it's consistent across the two distros
2024-01-17 16:42:46 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> `proxmox` ?
2024-01-17 16:42:56 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> platform id: `proxmox` ?
2024-01-17 16:44:27 <@jlebon:fedora.im> possibly. i think i'll dig into that stack a bit more
2024-01-17 16:44:44 <@jlebon:fedora.im> (or is someone here familiar with proxmox?)
2024-01-17 16:44:55 <@jlebon:fedora.im> they went with `proxmoxve` in the PR.
2024-01-17 16:45:21 <@jlebon:fedora.im> anyway, this is also serving as an FYI that there's work happening there which will make it easier to FCOS support too if wanted
2024-01-17 16:45:30 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> yeah, I don't know enough about it.. like there is vmware the company and then there's vsphere... 
2024-01-17 16:45:32 <@jlebon:fedora.im> anyway, this is also serving as an FYI that there's work happening there which will make it easier for FCOS support too if wanted
2024-01-17 16:45:49 <@jlebon:fedora.im> yeah, exactly. not sure if there's other variants/environments, etc...
2024-01-17 16:47:04 <@mnguyen:fedora.im> their website says they have a few products.  proxmox virtual environment is their platform
2024-01-17 16:48:15 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> I guess that's what they're referring to. I used the Proxmox VE in the past as a controller for virtual machines on a local server. 
2024-01-17 16:49:16 <@buckaroogeek:fedora.im> From Proxmox about: "Proxmox solutions are based on a highly-tweaked version of Debian GNU/Linux and a rock-solid Linux kernel. GNU/Linux provides great performance and is an extremely stable and reliable platform for servers. The Linux kernel also supports a wide range of hardware configurations - from commodity systems to high performance multiprocessor servers."
2024-01-17 16:50:22 <@jlebon:fedora.im> offhand, i think sticking with `proxmoxve` is probably better/safer
2024-01-17 16:51:29 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !info there is work going on that should make proxmox easier to add FCOS support for if a motivated individual came along: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/736#issuecomment-1892669133
2024-01-17 16:51:56 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !proposed We will reserve the `proxmoxve` platform ID for the proxmox platform.
2024-01-17 16:54:04 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I'm not sure if the thumbs up on messages get recorded.. can you each add a new message with a +1 or 👍 in it?
2024-01-17 16:54:09 <@marmijo:fedora.im> +1
2024-01-17 16:54:19 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> +1
2024-01-17 16:54:27 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> +1
2024-01-17 16:54:42 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !agreed We will reserve the `proxmoxve` platform ID for the proxmox platform.
2024-01-17 16:54:49 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> thanks for participating :)
2024-01-17 16:55:02 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Jonathan Lebon: anything else to discuss on this topic?
2024-01-17 16:55:19 <@jlebon:fedora.im> no, that's all :)
2024-01-17 16:56:37 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> ok next topic then
2024-01-17 16:56:45 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !topic Podman v5 breaking changes
2024-01-17 16:56:53 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1629
2024-01-17 16:57:22 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> This change has now been accepted.. We should plan our next steps
2024-01-17 16:58:39 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> The last time we discussed this: 
2024-01-17 16:59:02 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> We came up with:

```
12:09:29*  dustymabe | !info as soon as the podman v5 change gets accepted for Fedora 40 we should add CLHM helpers to
                     | notifiy people of the incoming changes and also a coreos-status post with the details

```
2024-01-17 16:59:34 <@jlebon:fedora.im> Writing the CLHM dropin sounds simple, but requires inspecting podman/node settings. It would be an interesting experience for someone unfamiliar with this stuff. So would writing a coreos-status post
2024-01-17 17:00:08 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> +1 would love some volunteers to drive this (an opportunity to learn)
2024-01-17 17:01:13 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I will note that rawhide right now is still podman 4.8.3
2024-01-17 17:01:37 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> what we should do is verify that the steps we give people will get them all the way to podman v5 without any further steps
2024-01-17 17:01:57 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I assume there are probably some copr packages somewhere of podman v5 dev 
2024-01-17 17:03:17 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/rhcontainerbot/podman-next/packages/
2024-01-17 17:03:50 <@jlebon:fedora.im> specifically, testing this requires a node born on e.g. f35 and upgraded throughout
2024-01-17 17:03:53 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> so yeah, we might be able to verify at least that a recent FCOS install can get to podman v5 with no intervention needed
2024-01-17 17:04:14 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Jonathan Lebon: correct
2024-01-17 17:04:56 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !info we are looking for a volunteer to drive the process to help users migrate older systems to newer settings that will allow them to adopt podman v5 without issue
2024-01-17 17:05:03 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> that's all I had
2024-01-17 17:07:17 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I was going to bring up the general F40 changes ticket, but none of the new accepted changes have bugs assigned to them so my script breaks
2024-01-17 17:07:32 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I can see the new accepted changes and I think it's safe to wait a week to discuss them. 
2024-01-17 17:07:43 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !topic Open Floor
2024-01-17 17:07:53 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> any other topics to discuss today?
2024-01-17 17:09:15 <@jlebon:fedora.im> nothing from my side
2024-01-17 17:09:24 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Brad Smith: anything in particular you wanted to discuss?
2024-01-17 17:09:26 <@mnguyen:fedora.im> nothing here
2024-01-17 17:10:17 <@buckaroogeek:fedora.im> Nothing from me today - thanks
2024-01-17 17:11:12 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> :)
2024-01-17 17:11:20 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I'll close out the meeting in a few minutes if no topics come up
2024-01-17 17:13:47 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !endmeeting