2024-01-10 16:35:03 <@spresti:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
2024-01-10 16:35:04 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-01-10 16:35:03 UTC
2024-01-10 16:35:04 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'
2024-01-10 16:35:16 <@spresti:fedora.im> !topic roll call
2024-01-10 16:35:24 <@siosm:matrix.org> !hello siosm
2024-01-10 16:35:25 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !hi
2024-01-10 16:35:26 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Timothée Ravier (siosm) - he / him / his
2024-01-10 16:35:27 <@zodbot:fedora.im> No Fedora Accounts users have the @dustymabe:matrix.org Matrix Account defined
2024-01-10 16:35:31 <@jlebon:fedora.im> !hi
2024-01-10 16:35:33 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (jlebon)
2024-01-10 16:36:03 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> oh fun
2024-01-10 16:36:26 <@fifofonix:matrix.org> !hi and happy new year
2024-01-10 16:36:27 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Sorry, I can only look up one username at a time
2024-01-10 16:36:44 <@siosm:matrix.org> You can setup the link with your account in https://accounts.fedoraproject.org/
2024-01-10 16:37:12 <@fifofonix:matrix.org> .hi fifofonix
2024-01-10 16:37:59 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> let me try again now that I've updated it
2024-01-10 16:38:02 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !hi
2024-01-10 16:38:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his
2024-01-10 16:38:10 <@spresti:fedora.im> yay
2024-01-10 16:38:11 <@fifofonix:matrix.org> !hi fifofonix
2024-01-10 16:38:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fifo Phonics (fifofonix)
2024-01-10 16:38:29 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> full disclosure I have to drop at the hour mark (30 minutes early) 
2024-01-10 16:38:44 <@spresti:fedora.im> Ok lets go ahead and get this rolling
2024-01-10 16:38:59 <@spresti:fedora.im> !topic Action items from last meeting
2024-01-10 16:39:51 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !hi
2024-01-10 16:39:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michael Armijo (marmijo)
2024-01-10 16:40:16 <@spresti:fedora.im> !topic there are no action items from the last meeting.
2024-01-10 16:40:41 <@spresti:fedora.im> I just double checked the last meeting to make sure, I dont see any atleast.
2024-01-10 16:40:48 <@spresti:fedora.im> Moving on to active meeting topics
2024-01-10 16:41:06 <@spresti:fedora.im> !topic New Package Request: mtr
2024-01-10 16:41:17 <@spresti:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1644
2024-01-10 16:42:12 <@spresti:fedora.im> Any thoughts on adding this package?
2024-01-10 16:43:05 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I think I'm with travier in the ticket here.. this should be something you can launch from a container
2024-01-10 16:43:19 <@spresti:fedora.im> travier:  it looks like the workaround would be to layer it, and you have it working?
2024-01-10 16:44:01 <@siosm:matrix.org> Running from a toolbox works fine: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1644#issuecomment-1882891318
2024-01-10 16:44:02 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> sometimes network debugging tools are useful to have on system (i.e. if the network isn't working sometimes you can't pull the tool you need to debug it), but I think we have enough tools in there to debug things. mtr is essentially just a nicer version of tools that already exist
2024-01-10 16:44:25 <@siosm:matrix.org> yes, it's a nicer version of tracepath, which we already have
2024-01-10 16:45:48 <@spresti:fedora.im> so in that case, should we propose that the usecases are already met by packages x,y,z, and we have no intent of adding it?
2024-01-10 16:46:48 <@spresti:fedora.im> !propose the functionality provided by mtr is achieved by other packages already shipped, we have no plans of adding this package.
2024-01-10 16:47:04 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> maybe lighten the wording a bit

2024-01-10 16:47:43 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> the basic functionality of mtr already exists in FCOS and mtr can be run in a toolbox container so we don't see the need to add this package to the base for everyone
2024-01-10 16:47:51 <@siosm:matrix.org> +1
2024-01-10 16:48:05 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> the basic functionality of mtr already exists in FCOS in tracepath and mtr can be installed and run in a toolbox container so we don't see the need to add this package to the base for everyone
2024-01-10 16:48:28 <@spresti:fedora.im> ah ok +1
2024-01-10 16:49:03 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> maybe "lighten the wording" wasn't the right thing to say.. I just think the added reasoning helps understand the why
2024-01-10 16:50:58 <@spresti:fedora.im> !proposed the basic functionality of mtr already exists in FCOS through tracepath. Additionally mtr can be installed and ran in a toolbox container. So we currently do not see the need to add this package to the base for everyone. 
2024-01-10 16:51:16 <@siosm:matrix.org> +1
2024-01-10 16:51:18 <@spresti:fedora.im> oh wow does proposed not work?
2024-01-10 16:51:34 <@siosm:matrix.org> I don't think there is a proposed command
2024-01-10 16:51:37 <@siosm:matrix.org> just the agreed one
2024-01-10 16:51:44 <@siosm:matrix.org> there is nothing for the bot to do on proposed
2024-01-10 16:52:03 <@spresti:fedora.im> Ah that makes sense. 
2024-01-10 16:52:27 <@siosm:matrix.org> we can vote with emoji now :)
2024-01-10 16:52:34 <@spresti:fedora.im> lol the power!
2024-01-10 16:53:19 <@spresti:fedora.im> If we could get 1 more vote we can move on to the next topic.
2024-01-10 16:53:30 <@fifofonix:matrix.org> +1
2024-01-10 16:53:51 <@spresti:fedora.im> !agreed the basic functionality of mtr already exists in FCOS through tracepath. Additionally mtr can be installed and ran in a toolbox container. So we currently do not see the need to add this package to the base for everyone.
2024-01-10 16:54:22 <@spresti:fedora.im> !topic aarch64 failing to upgrade with /boot filesystem full 
2024-01-10 16:54:34 <@spresti:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1637
2024-01-10 16:55:52 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> The proposed mitigation/fix for this is in https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1637#issuecomment-1878186381 which we are actively executing
2024-01-10 16:56:03 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> let me know if the proposal has any problems
2024-01-10 16:56:16 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> we've already done the first set of releases
2024-01-10 16:57:54 <@spresti:fedora.im> I think with that, I am certainly no SME on this, but if its functional and already an active direction, staying with it seems to be the best approach. 
2024-01-10 16:58:27 <@spresti:fedora.im> !proposed continue with the proposed mitigation/fix for this is in https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1637#issuecomment-1878186381 which we are actively executing
2024-01-10 17:00:11 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> +1
2024-01-10 17:00:27 <@spresti:fedora.im> !agreed continue with the proposed mitigation/fix for this is in https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1637#issuecomment-1878186381 which we are actively executing.
2024-01-10 17:00:55 <@spresti:fedora.im> !topic tracker: Fedora 40 changes considerations
2024-01-10 17:01:11 <@spresti:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1626
2024-01-10 17:01:46 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> so I ran the script earlier today and there are no new items to process (i.e. nothing has changed state since last week)
2024-01-10 17:02:00 <@spresti:fedora.im> Yay thank you for doing that
2024-01-10 17:02:16 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> it would be nice to get some people assigned to the investigation tickets if we could
2024-01-10 17:02:28 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> but other than that there's nothing for us to do today I don't think
2024-01-10 17:02:55 <@spresti:fedora.im> Outside of this meeting do we have any other workflows to assign members?
2024-01-10 17:03:15 <@spresti:fedora.im> and or allow for people to opt in
2024-01-10 17:04:11 <@siosm:matrix.org> note really, it's on a volunteer basis
2024-01-10 17:04:16 <@siosm:matrix.org> not really, it's on a volunteer basis
2024-01-10 17:06:07 <@spresti:fedora.im> hmm, I just worry that this meeting might be a limited surface area for opt in work
2024-01-10 17:06:34 <@spresti:fedora.im> I am about to switch us over to open floor
2024-01-10 17:06:53 <@spresti:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2024-01-10 17:07:22 <@spresti:fedora.im> Anything to discuss today?
2024-01-10 17:07:25 <@siosm:matrix.org> I'm currently investigating https://github.com/coreos/rpm-ostree/issues/4765
2024-01-10 17:07:53 <@siosm:matrix.org> This does not impact FCOS yet (only Silverblue rawhide right now) but is better not left unfixed
2024-01-10 17:09:41 <@jlebon:fedora.im> travier: we haven't had a rawhide build in a while so maybe it does
2024-01-10 17:10:34 <@spresti:fedora.im> so I am like a deer looking at headlights could you explain final command you ran in the actual / expected
2024-01-10 17:11:29 <@jlebon:fedora.im> ahh i see, it's compose side versioning that matters
2024-01-10 17:11:42 <@siosm:matrix.org> Jonathan Lebon: It only show up when building from a rawhide buildroot and COSA currently uses F39
2024-01-10 17:11:54 <@jlebon:fedora.im> right yup
2024-01-10 17:12:13 <@siosm:matrix.org> if you look at the fist byte in the output, it's different
2024-01-10 17:12:50 <@siosm:matrix.org> 0x01 vs 0x00. Decoded, it means cap_setgid=ep vs cap_setgid=ip
2024-01-10 17:13:08 <@spresti:fedora.im> yeah I see that... ah ok I see
2024-01-10 17:13:48 <@siosm:matrix.org> `getcap /usr/bin/newgidmap` is more explicit but I can not run that on a ostree object :)
2024-01-10 17:13:53 <@siosm:matrix.org> `getcap /usr/bin/newgidmap` is more explicit but I can not run that on an ostree object :)
2024-01-10 17:14:54 <@spresti:fedora.im> I think this could be a good meeting topic for next week travier, maybe a few more eyes can help
2024-01-10 17:16:01 <@spresti:fedora.im> If we can make it a meeting topic that is.
2024-01-10 17:17:30 <@siosm:matrix.org> We'll see where we are next week. Right now I'm still trying to investigate where this could come from
2024-01-10 17:17:43 <@siosm:matrix.org> I have a reproducer now so that should help
2024-01-10 17:18:20 <@spresti:fedora.im> well good catch, and thank you for looking into it!
2024-01-10 17:18:53 <@spresti:fedora.im> With that, the meeting seems to have slowed down, if no one has anything else, lets end the meeting.
2024-01-10 17:19:10 <@spresti:fedora.im> !endmeeting