20:00:39 <mmcgrath> #startmeeting
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20:00:43 * mmcgrath see's an a-k
20:00:48 <mmcgrath> a-k: you going to fudcon by chance?
20:01:06 <a-k> Nope.  Sorry.  It would probably be great.
20:01:07 <mmcgrath> #topic who's here?
20:01:08 * mmcgrath is
20:01:08 * ricky 
20:01:12 * abadger1999 here
20:01:13 * a-k is
20:01:21 <mmcgrath> a-k: that's the nice thing about fudcons, there's always another one in the future :)
20:01:30 * SmootherFrOgZ is
20:01:32 <dgilmore> mmcgrath: present
20:01:37 <mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: you fudconing it?
20:01:50 <SmootherFrOgZ> mmcgrath: yep
20:01:54 <mmcgrath> excellent.
20:02:04 <Ac-town> ello'
20:02:53 * ricky will unfortunately be buried in finals/work for FUDCon/The Move :-(
20:03:05 <mmcgrath> ricky: that's ok, it happens.
20:03:07 <mmcgrath> well, lets get started.
20:03:14 <mmcgrath> #topic Meeting Tickets
20:03:45 * mmcgrath is slowly pulling it up
20:03:49 <mmcgrath> and no meeting tickets.
20:03:51 <mmcgrath> well that's easy
20:03:53 <mmcgrath> #topic FUDCon
20:03:58 <mmcgrath> so lots of us will be at fudcon
20:04:01 <mmcgrath> who all at the meeting is going?
20:04:41 * nirik won't be making it this time, happy to hang out on irc if I can provide input for anyone/anything tho.
20:04:50 <mmcgrath> aww
20:04:51 * dgilmore will be tehre
20:04:59 <ricky> To all that are going, have a safe trip :-)
20:05:46 <mmcgrath> Well, hopefully nothing will go completely bad.
20:05:57 <mmcgrath> lets talk a bit about what infrastructure related stuff will be going on
20:05:59 <mmcgrath> J5: ping
20:05:59 <mmcgrath> lmacken: ping
20:06:08 * abadger1999 will be if thisplane gets me to BOS for the bus :-)
20:06:09 <mmcgrath> Will you guys be having any sort of moksha / fedora community hackfests?
20:06:42 <J5> mmcgrath: hey, I haven't planned any as I want to concentrate on the messaging stuff
20:06:57 <mmcgrath> ah, so a specific focus on getting plans ready for qpid?
20:07:15 <J5> mmcgrath: for me at least.  I think luke is doing some moksh stuff
20:07:18 <mmcgrath> abadger1999: do you have any F-I specific hackfests?
20:07:20 <abadger1999> J5: You and Oxf13 leading that together?
20:07:54 <abadger1999> mmcgrath: At least jds2001 and I will be working on pkgdb together.
20:07:54 <J5> abadger1999: 0xf13 is running the hackfest and there are two other amqp talks
20:08:09 <abadger1999> mmcgrath: I want to work on a little light porting to amqp
20:08:29 <abadger1999> And then I'm running a Packaging Committee hackfest that may take most of my hackfest time.
20:08:45 <mmcgrath> yeah, I think mdomsch wanted a crash course in how to dance with amqp
20:09:56 <mmcgrath> I'm planning on having a virt_web hackfest for those interested in web based virtualization
20:10:00 <mmcgrath> but that's only mildly F-I related.
20:10:09 <SmootherFrOgZ> cool
20:10:13 <mmcgrath> that's really all I've got on FUDCon, anyone have anything else?
20:11:08 <mmcgrath> alllrighty
20:11:10 <mmcgrath> #topic The Move
20:11:17 <mmcgrath> so yeah, did everyone see my announcement on this?
20:11:26 <mmcgrath> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1845 <--- there it is!
20:11:56 <mmcgrath> so I'm a little worried about how this whole move is going to go.
20:12:06 <mmcgrath> lots of stuff that was supposed to be done weeks ago is still not done.
20:12:11 <mmcgrath> and I have no ETA on when it will get done.
20:12:23 <mmcgrath> and this has thrown a massive wrench into our plans.
20:12:33 <mmcgrath> which is why the "Services still in question" in ticket 1845 is so large.
20:13:29 <Ac-town> What needs to be done?
20:13:50 <mmcgrath> Ideally, the 5 servers we have in the new colo would be powered on and networked right now.
20:13:56 <mmcgrath> That way I could do a dump and load of our databases on it.
20:14:23 <mmcgrath> we'd have a short down time for our databases..  but then on actual move day, they'd stay up.
20:15:04 <mmcgrath> Ac-town: but right now we're blocking on network.
20:15:11 <mmcgrath> and it's not a matter of getting an IP address for those hosts.
20:15:22 <mmcgrath> they have to design the new vlan, hook us up to the core switches, and expose us to the internet.
20:15:29 <mmcgrath> and I just have no idea the status of all that at this time.
20:15:53 <lmacken> mmcgrath: pong; yeah, I'm hoping to get people interested in a Moksha / Fedora Community hackfest
20:16:02 <mmcgrath> lmacken: coolz
20:16:05 <abadger1999> mmcgrath: Have they pushed out our timeline any more?
20:16:17 <abadger1999> (ie, no longer the end of the year to be moved) ?
20:16:21 <mmcgrath> abadger1999: nope.  The move happens on the 12th.
20:16:30 <abadger1999> okee dokee
20:16:31 <mmcgrath> I've already got flight and hotel booked.
20:16:44 <mmcgrath> it's amazing to me this was supposed to be done in late november :-/
20:17:01 <mmcgrath> lmacken: is fedoracommunity only deployed in PHX?
20:17:16 <lmacken> mmcgrath: deployed on app1-7, iirc..
20:17:19 * mmcgrath wonders if since it doesn't have a data layer if it could be moed to the services that will remain up section.
20:17:51 <mmcgrath> k, that's good.
20:18:03 <mmcgrath> So I guess for this to work we need just 2 things
20:18:06 <mmcgrath> 1) vpn
20:18:07 * ricky wouldn't be surprised if FAS being down cascaded into making fedoracommunity down or useless :-(
20:18:08 <mmcgrath> 2) databases.
20:18:37 <mmcgrath> ricky: that's a good question
20:18:44 <mmcgrath> abadger1999: if FAS is down, is anonymous browsing on our TG apps down?
20:18:52 <abadger1999> mmcgrath: yes
20:19:07 <abadger1999> mmcgrath: We might be able to fix that with tg2 but tg1 will gobust.
20:19:28 <mmcgrath> K
20:19:35 <mmcgrath> so lets prioritize the applications
20:19:40 * abadger1999 boarding
20:19:52 <mmcgrath> the account system has to be up or everything else doom sticks.
20:20:00 <ricky> abadger1999: Have a nice flight
20:20:03 <mmcgrath> the voting app should stay up because there's voting going on
20:20:08 <mmcgrath> abadger1999: be safe, wear shoes!
20:20:11 <ricky> Hehe
20:20:16 <abadger1999> Shoes?  What are those?
20:20:30 <mmcgrath> armor for your feet!
20:20:40 <SmootherFrOgZ> haha
20:21:08 <mmcgrath> Oh!  and mail
20:21:11 <mmcgrath> ugh
20:21:17 <mmcgrath> it's ok if zodbot isn't around for a while.
20:21:18 <ricky> Is there a legal issue related to mail>
20:21:25 <mmcgrath> ricky: there are.
20:21:34 <mmcgrath> I have a meeting with eric this afternoon about some of this stuff.
20:21:59 <ricky> Would it be acceptible to route through Red Hat MXes from outside of PHX?
20:22:03 <ricky> **acceptable
20:22:32 <mmcgrath> ricky: that's on my list of questions for this afternoon.
20:23:41 <mmcgrath> I'm almost tempted to have pkgdb and bodhi in the down column just to help protect the data.
20:24:04 <mmcgrath> but bodhi is publically used to get info about security updates and things, and that is important.
20:24:35 <abadger1999> lmacken: Can bodhi survive w/out pkgdb up?
20:24:56 <lmacken> abadger1999: should be able to... update submissions won't work, obviously
20:24:58 <ricky> If bodhi is up, then db must be up, which means that fas/pkgdb can be up as well
20:25:11 <ricky> Will pushes continue to happen during the outage?
20:25:12 <lmacken> actually, it still may work w/o the pkgdb, but I assume koji will be done so it will break submissions anyway
20:25:18 <mmcgrath> ricky: the thing is they might be up on a grossly underpowered machine
20:25:27 <ricky> If not, then the email notifications from bodhi will be up to date
20:25:38 <ricky> Ah
20:25:55 <mmcgrath> ugh, this problem is so easy to solve if the hardware had been installed.
20:26:09 <mmcgrath> the other thing I'm not clear on is even if the network is online right now, will it stay online through the move?
20:26:19 <mmcgrath> For all I know they might be switching out gear during that time.
20:26:23 <mmcgrath> also on my list of questions...
20:26:29 <mmcgrath> anyway, does anyone have any other questions about this?
20:26:35 <abadger1999> mmcgrath: Do we need new update submission for security updates?.... thinking yes... unless we can just route everything through admins or something.
20:26:39 <mmcgrath> I suspect we'll be talking about it in greater detail.
20:26:57 <mmcgrath> abadger1999: I've been talking with releng about how to do an emergency package push if need be.
20:27:06 <abadger1999> k
20:27:16 <mmcgrath> since the whole buildsystem will just be gone, it's likely we'd be doing all of it out of band anyway
20:27:26 * ricky wonders when the netapp will be moved and what will go with that
20:27:39 <mmcgrath> but if a 0 day comes out for ssh as soon as we close the truck, I think we have a plan in place for it.
20:27:45 <mmcgrath> ricky: the netapp will be moved at the same time
20:28:00 <ricky> Ah, OK.
20:28:54 <ricky> Also just curious - will the move come with DNS changes for everything?
20:29:41 <mmcgrath> yeah
20:29:44 <ricky> Yow
20:29:57 <ricky> That's pretty big :-(
20:30:27 <ricky> So we'd probably need to change the netapp address and the internal bugzilla address and all of our other references to .phx.fedora.redhat.com :-(
20:30:35 <mmcgrath> yep, lots of major stuff going on and another reason it's so bad there's so many unanswered questions at this time.
20:31:02 <ricky> Er, fedora.phx.redhat.com
20:31:39 * ricky sees why running our own DNS would have been nice :-/
20:32:08 <mmcgrath> We actually will be running our own DNS by the end of  this, but we'll still have to rely on their dns servers because they refuse to let us do outbound dns requests.
20:33:25 <mmcgrath> Ok, does anyone have anything else to discuss with that?  If not I'll open the floor
20:35:36 <mmcgrath> ok
20:35:39 <mmcgrath> #topic open floor
20:35:44 <mmcgrath> a-k: how goes the great search search?
20:35:48 * nirik is happy to help with anything from here on the move or coverage while people are at fudcon.
20:35:55 <mmcgrath> nirik: thanks
20:36:02 <a-k> I don't think huzaifas has been able to evaluate candidates lately, but I need to follow up with him.
20:36:13 <a-k> I think we'll still have some candidates for public testing in January.
20:36:18 * ricky will try to be kind of around between finals studying
20:36:23 <bochecha> I wanted to add something about the search engine topic
20:36:39 <a-k> That's it from me, so take it.
20:36:42 <mmcgrath> bochecha: sure
20:36:52 * lmacken is working on some Moksha/Fedora Community demos for this weekend that use Fedora's AMQP broker.
20:36:54 <bochecha> don't know exactly where you guys are on the subject, but today at work I learned about Whoosh, a Python search engine that we're going to use for our apps
20:37:03 <lmacken> Hoping to get a lot of AMQP movement this weekend
20:37:17 <bochecha> it's not listed on the wiki page or the ticket in trac, so I thought I'd let you know about it, in case you hadn't considered it yet
20:37:19 <lmacken> bochecha: interesting
20:37:28 <mmcgrath> a-k: ^^ you guys looked at whoosh at all?
20:37:34 <bochecha> http://whoosh.ca/
20:37:37 <a-k> I can add it to the list.
20:37:51 <mmcgrath> cool
20:37:52 <mmcgrath> bochecha: thanks
20:37:59 <a-k> Most of the problems with search engines is they're just search engines.
20:38:09 <a-k> You have to write your own apps to interface with them.
20:38:13 <mmcgrath> yeah
20:38:17 <a-k> I'm trying to avoid those.
20:38:32 <mmcgrath> +1 to not writing and maintaining stuff we don't have to
20:38:40 <mmcgrath> Ok, anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss?
20:39:16 <mmcgrath> If not we'll close the meeting
20:40:04 <mmcgrath> ok
20:40:05 <mmcgrath> closing in 10
20:40:16 <mmcgrath> #endmeeting