19:00:36 <stickster> #startmeeting FUDCon Tempe planning (agenda: https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/report/9)
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19:00:42 <stickster> #meetingname FUDCon Tempe planning
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19:00:48 <stickster> #chair jsmith rbergeron rrix
19:00:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: jsmith rbergeron rrix stickster
19:01:02 * stickster promises not to ping Ryan anymore, he needs to get college $$ worth :-)
19:01:10 <stickster> #topic Roll call
19:01:13 * stickster 
19:01:54 * rrix learning about the wonders of Java packages, idling in the back of the channel
19:02:09 * stickster holds this open until 1905 UTC since rbergeron is grabbing sody-pop
19:03:09 * jsmith is here
19:04:44 <smooge> here
19:04:47 <smooge> sorry
19:05:42 * rbergeron is here
19:05:43 <rbergeron> sorry :)
19:05:50 <stickster> No problem!
19:06:08 * stickster goes ahead with agenda
19:06:22 <stickster> #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/3 (Hospitality suite)
19:07:03 <stickster> #info Basically waiting for our new hotel to send us a package. stickster has emailed them again telling them we'd like something by this Wednesday puh-leez
19:07:24 <rbergeron> woot!
19:07:37 <rbergeron> What are we doing about $oldhotel? Just waiting and seeing at this point?
19:07:39 <stickster> There are probably a few tickets that are holding on the package from the hotel.
19:07:53 <stickster> rbergeron: Correct, I'm holding them a bit in limbo and they're OK with it, but I really would like to let them off the hook ASAP.
19:08:01 * rbergeron nods
19:08:21 * stickster will probably follow up the email with a call after this meeting, just to emphasize urgency.
19:08:41 <stickster> #action stickster call Marriott sales guy as an additional followup after this meeting.
19:09:16 <stickster> Anything else on this one?
19:09:20 <rbergeron> Nope.
19:09:31 <stickster> #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/5 (Hotel parking info -> wiki)
19:10:05 <rbergeron> As an FYI, I've added parking information for both the brickyard and the MU to this page:
19:10:09 <rbergeron> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Tempe_2011#Parking
19:10:20 <rbergeron> #info Parking for MU and Brickyard added to wiki.
19:10:35 <stickster> rbergeron: Wow, that is really complete information! Awesome!
19:10:38 <rbergeron> Still hanging on the Hotel decision for if we can borrow parking there for a few people.
19:10:55 <rbergeron> I don't think that will be a problem; I suspect they don't have permits there.
19:11:01 <rbergeron> Maybe they do, though, so best to be sure. :)
19:11:05 <stickster> rbergeron: That one's on me, I'll talk to the hotel once we've signed.
19:11:33 <rbergeron> Once we know for sure, I'd like to add -that- bit of info to this part of the wiki.
19:11:38 * stickster accepts ticket to do that
19:11:41 <rbergeron> ie: Avoid parking fees, park at the hotel and walk with us.
19:11:56 <rbergeron> In fact, i'll add that to the ticket now.
19:12:00 <stickster> #action stickster to add info to wiki about hotel's available parking once we know it.
19:12:07 <stickster> rbergeron: I think I beat you to it :-)
19:12:35 <rbergeron> okay :)
19:12:43 <stickster> Anything else on this while rbergeron and I wrestle over the ticket? :-D
19:12:51 * rbergeron flexes her finger muscles
19:13:22 <stickster> OK, moving on then.
19:13:25 <stickster> #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/19 (Fat internet pipe for hotel)
19:13:37 <stickster> jsmith: What d'ya know about this one?
19:14:12 <jsmith> stickster: Waiting for an answer... they said that wimax was probably out of the question, but may be able to do line-of-sight wireless
19:14:30 <stickster> jsmith: Does that give us acceptable bandwidth for ~100 people?
19:15:04 <jsmith> Assuming we can get 45mbps, yes
19:15:13 <jsmith> They're supposed to do a site survey soon, and let us know
19:15:25 <jsmith> rrix was also working another angle, but I haven't heard more from him about it
19:15:44 <rrix> jsmith: I'm going to meet with my contact this week, will have a status report next week
19:15:49 <stickster> jsmith: Can you add this info to the ticket, minus names so we don't put them on the hook unnecessarily?
19:15:53 <rrix> I may have to harass you guys about our exact reqs.
19:16:23 <jsmith> rrix: Fair enough... I'm happy to answer questions (whether or not I know the answers)
19:16:29 <stickster> rrix: Essentially "better than what the hotel would give us, for cheaper." 30Mbps+, enough for ~100 people to coexist somewhat peacefully.
19:16:32 <rrix> hehe :)
19:16:39 <rrix> okeidoke
19:16:52 <stickster> #action jsmith to update ticket with latest status from his friends in AZ
19:17:10 <stickster> #action rrix to deliver a report next week on what he finds out from *his* friend in AZ
19:17:27 <stickster> Anything else on this one?
19:17:50 <jsmith> Nope... I think we're good
19:18:09 <stickster> #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/23 (Food rules at Brickyard & MemU)
19:18:24 <stickster> rbergeron: The places you quoted in that ticket -- those are offered through ASU food services, right?
19:18:32 <rbergeron> Working on it. I haven't put anything in wiki yet.
19:18:34 * rbergeron goes to look
19:18:48 * rbergeron can't remember what she typed :)
19:19:04 * stickster just read it and answered his own question -- "yes" :-) I should do that before asking next time!
19:19:04 <rbergeron> yes, and I have some other info related in the breakfast estimates ticket.
19:19:08 <rbergeron> Shall we discuss all at once?
19:19:16 <rbergeron> both tickets?
19:19:19 <stickster> Sure thing!
19:19:29 <rbergeron> Okay. So as far as food rules go:
19:19:31 <stickster> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/26 <-- other ticket
19:19:41 * rbergeron took the liberty of typing some stuff in to past into irc
19:19:49 <rbergeron> ASU has lots of catering rules. We have to use someone either being ASU Catering, or off the ASU approved catering list.
19:19:52 <rbergeron> Not sure if ANY of this applies to brickyard, but may be.  Waiting on Jon Delany to either (a) find out, or (b) put me in touch with someone who knows.  I will also try and get in touch with our contact at the MU in ASU Events / Services to see if she knows anything offhand about Brickyard details.
19:19:57 <rbergeron> Einstein Bros. is NOT on the approved caterer list, but is an approved vendor for food while inside the MU.
19:20:00 <rbergeron> Also, they have some options as far as donations go; for example, someone can donate food or drinks to appropriate student group. Buying our OWN drinks vs. paying .79 cents a can or $1.50 a bottle would save us a lot of money.  Donated food can come from approved catering list people, IIRC, or insured grocery stores (which is pretty much every grocery store.)
19:20:29 <rbergeron> Second:
19:20:36 <rbergeron> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Tempe_2011_breakfast_estimates
19:20:52 <rbergeron> I've been rounding up some different breakfast costs by item from various places.
19:21:11 <rbergeron> Also, ASU Catering has some basic catering type breakfast stuff that runs from 7.99-9.99/person.
19:21:30 <rbergeron> There's also plenty of ala carte items, etc, from these various places (ASU Catering and ASU approved catering list vendors.)
19:22:14 * stickster thinks we're safe to stick to bagels/muffins/danish & coffee/tea/soda
19:22:24 <rbergeron> Martha Stewart tells me that it's good to plan 1-1.5 pieces of pastry/bagel per person, depending on other things offered (fruit, etc). and from what I've done so far (which is just playing around this part not in wiki yet)
19:22:43 <rbergeron> I think we could get away with breakfast around $1k, less if we opt out of items like fruit, etc.
19:23:07 * rbergeron also has concerns about breakfast as far as bagels/pastries for kosher / veggie / vegan / dieting friends, FWIW.
19:23:18 <rbergeron> But trying to not get wrapped up in that.
19:23:18 * stickster likes fruit
19:23:30 <inode0> fruit is good for breakfast
19:23:32 <stickster> We can include fruit too :-)
19:23:43 <rbergeron> I also took the liberty of pricing out some snacks for the heck of it, as well as paper plates, etc. for things like pizza at the hotel, and so forth. Sams Club FTW.
19:24:33 <rbergeron> Actually, I think breakfast could come in well under 1k if we can opt into these "donation" rules and donate some drinks to the ASULUG which is sponsoring our fudcon presence. Because 25 cents for a soda is a lot less than a buck.
19:24:33 <smooge> ok the big issue with wireless in a hotel etc is not going to be the outgoing network.. it is mostly going to be having N+1 laptops all fighting over a limited resource of APs
19:24:35 <stickster> I see that on the page -- very complete. We can definitely spring for that stuff for e.g. Friday night at the hosp-suite.
19:25:12 <smooge> oh sorry didn't page down
19:25:20 <rbergeron> Also, If we need coolers, etc. I have some, and have access to a LOT more - we'll just need to remember that somewhere (I don't knwo if a ticket is appropriate for that, but just as an FYI).
19:25:31 <rbergeron> Anyway: I'm still in progress here.
19:25:45 <stickster> rbergeron: What if we just budget, say, $3K for all the breakfast and serving items for Friday night (hosp. suite), plus Saturday and Sunday breakfast noshies?
19:25:57 <rbergeron> I'm going to draw up what seems like an appropriate menu (x number of bagels, y number of gallons of coffee) and price compare.
19:26:14 * stickster withdraws $3K number and will wait for rbergeron's next numbahs
19:26:30 <stickster> rbergeron: It sounds like you're flying with this one, all's well.
19:26:31 <rbergeron> stickster: that works. I'm curious, though, what about Monday breakfast noshies? Or do we want to let people fend for themselves in the MU at einstein and starbucks?
19:26:49 <stickster> rbergeron: The latter. Unfortunately we can't just pay for all the meals on our budget
19:26:55 <rbergeron> stickster: yes, mass menu planning is one of my secret indulgences :)
19:27:22 <stickster> Since we'll be next to places that will actually *be open* on Monday, and Monday will not be on a strict "must start at 9:30am" schedule, I feel comfortable letting people fend for themselves that day
19:27:24 <rbergeron> anyway. That's all I have here. :)
19:27:41 <stickster> You're brilliant rbergeron, thanks!
19:27:43 <rbergeron> also, you had a note about Lunch, and that's ... well, i'll get there.
19:28:20 <stickster> Ah, yes, lunch. We *might* be able to fit in a lunch into our budget for Saturday, not sure about Sunday yet.
19:28:57 <stickster> For example, a mass pizza or sandwich order, or something like that.
19:29:26 <stickster> rbergeron: Let's keep that in the back of our minds for right now, we have time to figure that one out.
19:29:58 <stickster> Anything else on this one?
19:30:14 <rbergeron> nope.
19:30:20 <stickster> #action rbergeron to develop a round $$ number for breakfasts and report back next week
19:30:54 <stickster> #action stickster to figure out if we can afford some lunches too
19:31:02 <stickster> Which will bring me to the next topic
19:31:16 <stickster> #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/24 (Budget estimates)
19:31:37 <stickster> OK, the budget estimate is a little closer to realistic now (modulo some stuff about lunches).
19:31:48 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Tempe_2011_budget <-- budget estimates
19:33:02 <stickster> Now, this totals at about $25K right now, but that's a bit deceptive because we're spreading a number of costs around three of Red Hat's four fiscal quarters.  I'm including things like airfares that we buy on the cheap out of a different quarter -- money which logically doesn't count (as much) against what Max and the Fedora crew have budgeted for this event.
19:33:26 * rbergeron nods
19:33:35 * rbergeron checks out the changes
19:33:37 <stickster> If you look at the numbers, we're actually only estimating something like $18K in Q4 itself. So we have a little room to move. The lower hotel bill will help us somewhat in that regard.
19:34:14 <stickster> Also, my FUDPub estimate may be a bit high, but I'm not inclined to change that quite yet.
19:34:25 * rbergeron nods
19:34:36 <rbergeron> how much is actually budgeted just from commarch for Q4?
19:34:38 <stickster> Our FUDPub in Toronto and in Boston was around this level, but keep in mind both were at "pool/game hall" pubs.
19:34:50 * rbergeron is not entirely clear how the FE works with the CA stuff - those are separate pools, right?
19:34:54 <stickster> rbergeron: Max usually sets aside somewhere between $15K-20K.
19:35:58 <rbergeron> so we have room to grow there, or does the FE budget count towards commarch budget?
19:36:05 <stickster> jsmith: When Max has some time, and we have our next call with him, we should spend a little time talking about budget for FUDCon and just making sure we're anticipating things properly.
19:36:11 <stickster> rbergeron: The FE budget is actually a separate pot of money.
19:36:17 <rbergeron> okay, that's what i thought.
19:36:30 * rbergeron notes - Tshirt budget?
19:36:37 <stickster> rbergeron: "Swag"
19:36:52 <rbergeron> ahhhhhh
19:36:55 * stickster put that cost at $1500, happening next quarter (Q3, Sept-Nov)
19:37:03 <stickster> Since we'll have to pay up front for that stuff, I imagine.
19:37:05 * rbergeron works on mastering the obvious, need to take another class clearly :)
19:37:20 <stickster> rbergeron: Let me know when you find one, I slept through that one.
19:37:37 * inode0 notes we don't prepay for shirts ordinarily
19:37:51 <rbergeron> FUDPub is coming out of FE budget?
19:38:12 <stickster> rbergeron: I think we're going to try to do that, yes.
19:38:21 <stickster> rbergeron: One way or the other it will be paid, fear not.
19:38:28 * rbergeron loves FE budget ;D *grin*
19:39:10 <rbergeron> okay. I'm out of questions :)
19:39:14 <rbergeron> lookin' good!
19:39:30 <stickster> Out of that FE budget in Q4 has to come hotel rooms for Fedora folks too, but that's only about half of our FUDCon set-aside for Q4.
19:40:24 <stickster> OK, so all in all, I think we're not doing badly on budget. Obviously I want the hotel package in hand so I know everything's accounted for in that respect.
19:40:38 <stickster> #action stickster will continue to keep this page updated, esp. when hotel package arrives.
19:41:03 <stickster> Anything else on this one?
19:41:13 <rbergeron> have we booked plane tickets?
19:41:16 <rbergeron> for FE
19:41:22 <rbergeron> or ... no, that's a different ticket, isn't it :)
19:41:29 <stickster> That's done, for Q2 at least.
19:41:35 <rbergeron> sweet.
19:41:38 <stickster> We'll handle a few more out of FE Q3 money shortly.
19:42:02 <stickster> We could actually use another ticket for that
19:42:35 <stickster> #action stickster file ticket to make FE Q4 airfare expenditures based on projected available funds
19:42:38 <stickster> #undo
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19:42:43 <stickster> #action stickster file ticket to make FE Q3 airfare expenditures based on projected available funds
19:42:52 <stickster> Anything else on this?
19:43:08 <rbergeron> nope.
19:43:26 <stickster> #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/27 (Potential sponsors)
19:43:58 <stickster> So rbergeron put in this ticket with potential sponsors listed.  However, we need someone who can actually pursue these sponsors and find out if they're interested in... sponsoring. :-)
19:44:03 * rbergeron nods
19:44:16 <stickster> rbergeron: You seem pretty swamped these days between this, Marketing, and Cloud.
19:44:27 <rbergeron> noooooooo ... well maybe
19:44:51 * jsmith can try to pick up some slack in -cloud
19:44:58 <stickster> I wonder if we could get herlo to help with this one
19:45:07 * rbergeron notes that ke4qqq mentioned we should have a chat with Google folks while at OLF.
19:45:29 <stickster> rbergeron: *big nod*
19:45:50 <stickster> rbergeron: Can you add that to the ticket?
19:45:59 <rbergeron> should / could
19:46:02 <rbergeron> yes.
19:46:17 <stickster> a-weeeeeee-some.
19:46:49 <rbergeron> done
19:46:54 <stickster> #action stickster ask herlo if he can help by contacting sponsors in ticket #27 other than Google, whom we'll see at OhioLF
19:47:11 <stickster> That brings us to our last ticket
19:47:14 <rbergeron> ohhhh
19:47:22 <stickster> ?
19:47:30 * rbergeron has something to add - godaddy actually has a page about requesting sponsorships / Marketing type stuff on their webpage.
19:47:33 <rbergeron> I'll add that link as well.
19:47:38 <stickster> rbergeron: That would be superb, thanks
19:47:59 <stickster> #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/31 (Decide on FUDPub location)
19:48:39 <stickster> OK, let's have a li'l chat about this one. Robyn came up with a great alternative to Rula Bula via email this weekend. Rula Bula is an Irish pub, and it's kind of a college-y hangout from what rbergeron reported.
19:48:47 * rbergeron notes that godaddy spent $3M on its holidary party last year in phoenix :)
19:49:07 <stickster> rbergeron: Holy moley, did they book Coldplay or something?
19:49:13 <rbergeron> Well - Rula Bula is definitely a bar in the late night, but still a restaurant that you'd be okay taking mom or dad to doing the day.
19:49:36 * stickster notes we'll straddle the nighttime with a 6-10pm or 7-11pm event
19:49:42 <stickster> rbergeron: Here's what I was thinking though.
19:50:16 <rbergeron> Rented out Chase Field, had music, entertainers, buffet tables, cash prizes, $100k donation to make-a-wish, and the Four Tops and the Temptations :)
19:50:40 <stickster> In the last couple of NA FUDCons, we've started to have the FUDPub event at a place with something to do besides eat/drink and talk -- at Boston that was Flat Top Johnny's, a nice bar + pool hall. At Toronto that was Dave & Buster's.
19:50:45 <rbergeron> anyway. :)
19:51:07 <stickster> There is a D&B in Tempe, actually, but it's a pretty long way on foot from where we're staying, IIRC.
19:51:31 * rbergeron is not sure if Macayo's has anything in their private dining areas other than food - that can probably be ascertained, I wouldn't be surprised if there was pool table or something otherwise.
19:51:37 <rbergeron> Yes, it is.
19:51:43 <stickster> There's nothing to do other than eat/drink/talk at Rula Bula.
19:51:59 <rbergeron> And I'm not sure how driving to that would work - public transportation beyond a few blocks really sucks, though the light rail might go there.
19:52:00 <stickster> I don't know what Macayo has going on, but we could find that out with a phone call.
19:52:56 <stickster> There is a pool hall close by called Mill Cue Club.
19:53:19 * rbergeron notes that underagers definitely won't be able to get in there.
19:53:24 <stickster> But I went to the site, and it *really* looks like a college meat market -- serious drink, and definitely not for underage people.
19:53:45 * rbergeron could probably get all her drinks paid for though, lololol ;D
19:53:51 <stickster> rbergeron: Most likely, yeah
19:54:30 <stickster> I really like the idea of having something to do at FUDPub besides just nosh and talk, and the feedback from the last couple of FUDCons was very good from having done that..
19:55:36 <rbergeron> We also had the option of going to Rawhide, and I was going to look into what it would cost to bus us over there, which I failed at doing.
19:55:57 <stickster> rbergeron: I think that's probably going to end up prohibitively expensive
19:55:59 <rbergeron> From just glancing, though, buses would run probably in the neighborhood of $750 bucks to and from for a few school buses, maybe less.
19:56:02 <rbergeron> Yup.
19:56:15 <stickster> As fitting as it would be. Curse you, dollar bill!
19:56:22 * stickster would love to have a FUDPub at "Rawhide"
19:56:52 <stickster> So rbergeron and I will keep looking into this and try to weigh the entertainment options against the suitability for our crowd and the total cost.
19:57:00 * rbergeron nods
19:57:02 <stickster> rbergeron: Right now I really like the idea of Macayo's and a dedicated party room
19:57:06 * rbergeron nods
19:57:23 <stickster> I'd really like to know the size of that room and whether they have anything to do... hopefully more than a single pool table.
19:57:33 <stickster> That could get pretty competitive for a crowd of 100+ :-)
19:57:38 <rbergeron> you think? :)
19:57:46 <rbergeron> Or if it's ... nothing at all. I'm not sure.
19:57:47 * stickster notes we used about 8 tables at D&Bs in Toronto
19:58:01 <stickster> rbergeron: We could look into transportation to D&B's, for sure.
19:58:17 <rbergeron> there is also a Gameworks in Tempe as well.
19:58:17 <stickster> Even if it was "Fedora crew rents a bunch of minivans"
19:58:22 <rbergeron> if it's still there
19:58:40 <rbergeron> http://www.gameworks.com/?tId=1&sId=14
19:58:42 <rbergeron> still there.
19:59:05 <stickster> That's a solid long way away, too
19:59:11 <stickster> OK, I want to end on time today, so:
19:59:19 <stickster> #action rbergeron and stickster continue discussion of FUDPub on list
19:59:23 * rbergeron nods
19:59:30 <stickster> I know we need to get to subsidies, which we will do shortly.
19:59:39 <stickster> We need the hotel package to know how much those are costing as well :-)
19:59:46 <stickster> #topic AOB (all other business)]
19:59:47 <rbergeron> exactly.
19:59:53 <stickster> Anything before we close?
20:00:00 <rbergeron> What is the subsidies timeline?
20:00:14 <rbergeron> And are we doling it all out now, or waiting and seeing on a certain portion of the money?
20:00:17 <stickster> rbergeron: I'd like to start getting those items bought by around Sept. 1.
20:00:25 <rbergeron> Or shall I not worry about any of it and let you deal with it? :)
20:00:28 <rbergeron> along with jsmith
20:00:29 <rbergeron> :D
20:01:01 <stickster> rbergeron: You, jsmith, I, and anyone else interested will decide them regularly. We can do ad-hoc meetings for that as needed. The hotel costs will help us determine the total purchases, so we need that hotel package.
20:01:26 <rbergeron> Also, does the hotel have suites and will they bump any of us up (like those of us with coolers and printers and all the supplies in the universe) to such a room? :D
20:01:30 <stickster> We have a lot of international people requesting funding. We want to bring in int'l folks without a doubt, but we may not be able to accommodate everyone making requests. Some of those costs are close to $2K.
20:01:36 * inode0 suggests looking into flag football at sun devil stadium but maybe that would only entertain him - maybe something interesting to see at the university though?
20:01:56 <stickster> inode0: I think it's an off weekend, but can you check into that?
20:02:13 <inode0> it is post season
20:02:26 <stickster> Ah
20:02:37 * stickster doesn't know anything about this, so he's not going to start learning now
20:02:39 <rbergeron> we could go bowling at the place where bill and ted's excellent adventure was filmed ;D
20:03:04 * stickster knew we got better prices on lodging because it's the weekend before super bowl
20:03:15 * abadger1999 assumes from the timeline Q that people read his email about int'l people getting visas.
20:03:20 <stickster> abadger1999: Yes
20:03:32 <stickster> I know in most places that takes around 2-4 weeks, sometimes a bit more
20:03:45 <abadger1999> stickster: Latam seems minimum 3 months
20:03:54 <stickster> Ugh. OK, well we'll need to settle those first then.
20:04:04 <abadger1999> gomix said more like 6 mo in Venezuela
20:04:10 <rbergeron> really??
20:04:17 <rbergeron> that's ridiculous
20:04:19 <stickster> abadger1999: Well, 6 months we don't even have available now.
20:04:29 <abadger1999> Yeah... one US embassy for the whole country and the US isn't in any hurry to get people approved apparently,
20:04:52 <abadger1999> stickster: <nod>  I think gomix himself has a visa but was thinking about getting his wife and kid to go with him.
20:05:37 <stickster> We can keep discussing this, but I want to close this meeting since I have an unwatched pot boiling here.
20:06:11 * rbergeron grins
20:06:16 <abadger1999> <nod>
20:06:31 <abadger1999> mailing list will have more people watching anyhow :-)
20:06:48 <stickster> We'll need to balance our invitations to FUDCon in light of who's putting on a FUDCon next, bringing in people who have never been to a NA FUDCon, bringing in people who've never been to *any* FUDCon event, and of course our total budget which is not infinite.
20:07:34 <stickster> #info We'll talk more about subsidies on the list this week and start moving ahead on granting them.
20:07:38 <stickster> #undo
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20:07:43 <stickster> #agreed We'll talk more about subsidies on the list this week and start moving ahead on granting them.
20:07:46 <abadger1999> stickster: Yeah... I wonder about our budget b/c I think we might need to do some guessing about who we should bring in from latam.
20:08:13 <stickster> abadger1999: The budget estimates are on the wiki, and sponsorship requests are starting to come in on our Trac... so heartily agreed
20:08:20 <abadger1999> as in -- we won't know who is holding the next fudcon latam before we have to get them funded (b/c of visas)
20:08:52 <abadger1999> anyhow -- ml for further discussion :-)
20:08:56 <stickster> abadger1999: We may have to bring in a few people within a certain amount, and then depend on them to help with the planning even if they're not in the same place.
20:09:12 <stickster> After all, we do that here, rbergeron and I live 2500 miles apart :-)
20:09:20 <abadger1999> <nod>
20:09:28 <stickster> OK, if there's nothing else then..
20:09:35 * stickster holds for 30 sec for any emergency
20:10:10 <stickster> #endmeeting