01:02:16 <lorip> #startmeeting
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01:02:32 <lorip> hi everyone - here's a link to our agenda
01:02:42 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_1
01:03:14 <lorip> the goal of this meeting is to introduce people and then be able to answer questions about our upcoming workshop
01:03:24 <lorip> #topic Introductions
01:04:15 <lorip> let's do introductions alphabetically from the top - if you can give your name, institution, location and anything you'd like to add about your FOSS experience that would be great!
01:04:25 <lorip> also, please start your intro with #info
01:04:51 <darci> #info Hi all! I'm Darci Burdge Professor of CS at Nassau Community College. I am a member of the foss2serve team.
01:04:59 <dweikle> #info I am Dee Weikle. I teach computer science at EMU in Harrisonburg VA and am very new to HFOSS
01:05:39 <lorip> heidie: are you there?
01:05:50 <heidie_> Hi, sorry
01:05:53 <heidie_> My internet keeps cutting out.
01:05:58 <lorip> can you do a quick intro?
01:06:01 <docrea> #info I am Alan Rea. Professor of Information Systems at Western Michigan Univ. I've been using FOSS for some time and regularly use it in courses.
01:06:13 <lorip> by using her nick, she gets pinged
01:06:37 <heidie_> Oh, sure!
01:06:44 <dweikle> docrea: Sorry I think I went before you out of order...
01:06:52 <heidie_> #info I am Heidi Ellis, Prof at Western New England University and member of the foss2serve team.
01:06:56 <jfrench> #info I am Jeannie French, Assoc. Prof at Coastal Carolina in Conway, SC.  I'm new to HFOSS.
01:07:00 <Joe_W> Joe Welch, Hartnell College Salinas CA (spinach capital!) - new to FOSS - very interested in bringing to classes as projects and skill development assignments
01:07:05 <lorip> no problem - IRC can be challenging as it is hard to determine wait time
01:07:05 <heidie_> Just got back from a 2-day meeting with folks from Red Hat, partially about POSSE.
01:07:13 <KevinBuffardi> #info Kevin Buffardi, Professor of CS at California State University-Chico, and am integrating FOSS projects into my Software Engineering class.
01:07:18 <lorip> often multiple conversations occur at the same time :)
01:07:58 <lorip> #info I'm Lori Postner - I work at Nassau Community College (along with Darci) and am a member of the foss2serve team
01:08:45 <stefan_c> #info Hi everyone, I am Stefan Christov, I teach Software Engineering at Quinnipiac University in Hamden, CT. I am new to FOSS and I am interested in FOSS in health care.
01:09:26 <lorip> stefan_c - that's great!  one of the projects we've worked with is OpenMRS (more later)
01:09:38 <tom_n> # Tom Naps, CS Prof at UW Oshkosh, hope to use HFOSS in my SE II course in the spring
01:09:59 * dweikle waves to everyone
01:10:05 <lorip> rescal, did we skip you?
01:10:23 <tom_n> Very much a noivice at IRC as you can see by my forgetting the #info tag
01:11:02 * lorip thinking should I move on?
01:11:10 <darci> #info Tom Naps, CS Prof at UW Oshkosh, hope to use HFOSS in my SE II course in the spring
01:11:20 <darci> I added it so that it appears in the minutes
01:11:21 <KevinBuffardi> FWIW rescal has been logged on at least since around 5:30 when I joined
01:11:23 <darci> :)
01:11:23 <lorip> thanks darci!
01:12:19 <dweikle> I "lurked" at the meeting on Monday morning - it was useful!
01:12:19 <lorip> feel free to jump in with questions, comments. thoughts at any point
01:12:28 <lorip> this is very casual
01:12:57 <lorip> #topic IRC commands and features
01:13:02 <darci> dweikle: we wondered if your were doing that! very wise!
01:13:12 <dweikle> Heidi explained later that "lurking" - being on without physical being there is totally acceptable - made me happy
01:13:13 <lorip> any general questions about IRC?
01:13:33 <darci> yes! it is a great way to learn!
01:14:01 <dweikle> My biggest question (think I might know the answer) is why this instead of Skype or Google chat?
01:14:11 <lorip> good question!
01:14:23 <tom_n> Is it mostly used for meetings or long-term ongoing discussions?
01:14:27 <lorip> I think there is a historical answer here - heidie, can you answer this?
01:14:50 <darci> It has low bandwidth, so everyone has access.
01:14:54 <dweikle> My answer guess is - automatic minutes, low tech needs, little overhead on machine...
01:14:58 * lorip did she leave because I asked a question? :)
01:15:24 <darci> She keeps losing her connection! :)
01:15:41 <lorip> many hfoss projects are in developing countries, so it has a low barrier
01:15:59 <docrea> IRC has been a staple of tech communities given that the only option for some time was the terminal.
01:16:20 <docrea> And, of course, the terminal is a low-bandwidth solution still.
01:16:30 <lorip> the other nice feature is that you can be "on" but not paying attention - if someone wants your attention they can ping you
01:17:06 <Joe_W> will you ping me so I can see the system response?
01:17:17 <lorip> Joe_W
01:17:26 <lorip> did you see/hear anything?
01:17:34 <Joe_W> I did not...
01:17:45 <lorip> hmm - what client are you using?
01:17:53 <Joe_W> using HydraIRC
01:18:27 <lorip> I haven't used that - does anyone else have experience with that?
01:18:46 <Joe_W> No worries...I will research...thanks
01:19:02 <docrea> You need to /msg <the user>
01:19:31 <lorip> like
01:19:44 <docrea> Of course /ping <the user> should also work
01:20:28 <KevinBuffardi> I've never used HydraIRC, but I've really liked Pidgin for chatting on Windows machines
01:20:57 <lorip> I've only used chatzilla, so I have limited experience
01:21:15 <docrea> You can use Pidgin for IRC as well.
01:21:32 <lorip> our next topic is HFOSS projects - can I move on?
01:21:40 <KevinBuffardi> sure
01:21:41 <Joe_W> sounds good...
01:21:43 <dweikle> yes
01:21:44 <tom_n> ok with me
01:21:51 <jfrench> sure
01:21:52 <stefan_c> sure
01:21:57 <lorip> #topic HFOSS projects
01:21:58 * docrea nods
01:22:36 <lorip> hopefully you've had a chance to look through the projects we've worked with - thoughts on your interest?
01:23:20 <darci> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Communities
01:23:20 <dweikle> I am interested in Moustrap partly because it has an engineering aspect and we are trying to expand our pre -engineering program into a full engineering program
01:24:03 <dweikle> All of the projects sound interesting though
01:24:04 <tom_n> Many of our students hope to work for Epic Medical Software (epic.com) out of Madison WI.  So I think they may be highly motivated to work on OpenMRS
01:24:21 <stefan_c> I think my interest was already made clear -- OpenMRS :) I am hoping to use it in the context of a course on software engineering in health care that we are currently developing
01:24:27 <lorip> tom_n - what is Epic Medical Software?
01:24:40 <Joe_W> I am interested in OpenMRS, Mifos and Ushahidi....are to choices to be only from this list?
01:25:01 <KevinBuffardi> Multiple of them sound interesting but if I had to choose a favorite, OpenMRS or MouseTrap
01:25:29 <jfrench> I'm also thinking MouseTrap
01:25:38 <tom_n> They are a very fast growing company that provides a variety of medical administration software.   In recent year, they have hired hundreds of new employees, incliding many from UWOshkosh
01:26:01 <lorip> Joe_W: we try to have professors work in one of these projects so we have a group of faculty who can help each other
01:26:12 <Joe_W> sounds great - thanks!
01:26:42 <lorip> tom_n: I'll have to check out their website
01:27:26 <lorip> does anyone have language or platform restrictions?
01:27:46 <tom_n> Epic was founded by a UW Madison graduate and is still a privately held company.   Have a huge five-building campus in Verona, south of Madison
01:28:11 <dweikle> I don't think so permanently, but my system is run by my IS department so there may be a delay in particular installations...
01:28:14 <lorip> tom_n: is there software open source?
01:28:14 <KevinBuffardi> I have 50+ students in my SE class and have them work in teams of ~5 so if it's feasible for the projects, I'd like to get students involved in more than one project
01:28:42 <lorip> oops, their, not there
01:28:48 <tom_n> Our students will be most comfortable with Java, and I think that is the primary language used in OpenMRS
01:29:24 <dweikle> We teach both Python and Java in the first year using Eclipse primarily, I am looking forward to learning more tools to have them use like github
01:29:28 <KevinBuffardi> that is, have different teams of ~5 working on different projects, ideally
01:29:48 <lorip> tom_n: yes, OpenMRS is a good choice if your students know Java
01:29:54 <Joe_W> We teach Python, C++ in first year - and have some emphasis on Git/GitHub
01:30:05 <jfrench> We should be okay.  They don't take Python anymore, but I can get them up to speed.
01:30:31 <stefan_c> Our students learn Java and a little bit of Scala.
01:30:39 <jfrench> I am concerned about which class I can work this in.  I'll have to be creative.
01:30:41 <lorip> KevinBuffardi: this is a good topic for Stage 2 - people have various thoughts on having students work on the same project or different ones
01:30:55 <tom_n> Epic Software is not open source.   In fact they use they use their own proprietary DB optimzed for medical records as opposed to a traditional relational DB.   The UW grad who started the company was a DB specialist.
01:31:38 <lorip> jfrench: what classes do you teach?
01:31:38 <darci> tom_n: very interesting
01:32:00 <jfrench> I am only teaching 2 this fall.  Dbase and PHP.
01:33:35 <lorip> darci: I seem to recall that PHP is used in some projects, do you recall this?
01:33:58 <jfrench> Oh wait.. sorry... Multimedia and PHP.  I can probably put it in my multimedia class.
01:34:09 <dweikle> jfrench: one of the things that I am considering is a student ACM project in HFOSS to get started...
01:34:47 <darci> Yes, not sure, but probably in OpenMRS as well as Ushahidi
01:35:08 <jfrench> I just got our students together for our new ACM-W chapter and thought I could use a project for them, maybe.  I need some student research projects for that.
01:35:28 <lorip> dweikle & jfrench: that sounds like a great idea!
01:36:36 <dweikle> We don't have enough women to have an ACM-W, but I thought the few I have might do a small project as well...
01:36:39 <docrea> Question: There are notes on the Ushahidi foss2serv page noting they are thinking about an Android app in 2013, but I see no mention of it on the new site #link https://wiki.ushahidi.com/display/WIKI/Installing+Ushahidi+3.x
01:37:59 <dweikle> Our guys tend to like programming competitions which are not as interesting in general to the women
01:38:17 <lorip> docrea: I seem to recall something about that, but I don't know the current status - we have a faculty member who has worked with them for years, we can ask him what he knows
01:38:21 <darci> #link https://github.com/ushahidi/platform-android -- Just found this link
01:38:34 <lorip> darci: will Cam be joining us in NC?
01:38:40 <darci> Yes!
01:39:14 <docrea> Ah, OK. Thanks. I was following links all over the place.
01:39:31 <lorip> docrea: Cam is the faculty member I just mentioned who has worked with Ushahidi for several years
01:39:33 <darci> Cam will be a great Ushahidi resource.
01:39:40 <heidie> +1
01:40:02 * heidie reminds herself that "+1"  is shorthand for showing agreement with a statement.
01:40:44 * lorip thinking, are they other questions or should I move on (it is getting late on the east coast!)
01:41:01 <jfrench> ready to move on...
01:41:07 <heidie> Sure :-)
01:41:09 <dweikle> me too
01:41:09 <Joe_W> no questions...
01:41:09 <KevinBuffardi> let's keep moving
01:41:11 <tom_n> Moving on OK with me
01:41:19 <stefan_c> me too
01:41:45 <lorip> #topic General Questions
01:42:05 <lorip> any general questions about the activities thus far or about travel to Raleigh?
01:42:38 <Joe_W> I have no questions right now - appreciate the organization of the activities...
01:43:02 <lorip> we also greatly appreciate feedback - are our time estimates OK?
01:43:04 <KevinBuffardi> maybe this is too specific, but it looks like the last flight departing out of Raleigh for me is 5pm… which seems like it might be a rush if we're finishing at 3pm
01:43:08 <dweikle> I am driving so that should be easy, will hotel rooms be set up for us and will we be sharing hotel rooms
01:43:24 <tom_n> We don't individually take care of hotel reservations in Raleigh, correct?
01:43:28 * docrea in the same boat as Kevin.
01:43:40 <jfrench> I just got back from three week trip to Boston, so I might have missed the travel info???  I will drive, but need the room info.
01:43:56 <darci> We are still working on the room block.
01:44:06 <dweikle> I have spent more time on the activities, but I think it is because I am new to this stuff and a bit type A about making sure I get it...
01:44:07 <heidie> And you will have your own hotel room.
01:44:11 <darci> You will receive an email sometime soon with information about rooms.
01:44:24 <heidie> Greg should be distributing information about hotel in the next day or so.
01:44:25 <jfrench> Rooms - got it.  Thanks!
01:44:29 <dweikle> Great about the hotel rooms and finding in the future!
01:44:53 <jfrench> Have we had to fill out any forms or anything?
01:44:54 <heidie> The rooms are reserved, but he is still working with the Drexel folks about whether we give the hotel a list of names or whether you call the hotel and tell them that you're part of the POSSE block.
01:45:00 <heidie> Nope, no forms.
01:45:06 <jfrench> Okay.
01:45:15 <heidie> And there are two possible restaurants for dinner.
01:45:21 <lorip> KevinBuffardi: if the last flight is 5pm, that should work, we hope to wrap up around 3pm (darci & I fly out at 5:30 or so)
01:45:34 <heidie> #link http://www.relishraleigh.com/
01:45:35 <darci> KevinBuffardi: We understand that some may have to leave a bit earlier, especially when there are few or not options for later flights.
01:45:46 <heidie> #link http://www.vicsitalianrestaurant.com/
01:45:55 <tom_n> My flight out of Raleigh to Chicago leaves at 6:00
01:46:17 <heidie> Sure, we can handle 5:00 or later flights.
01:47:02 <darci> heidie: Is Vics the place we ate last time?
01:47:10 <heidie> Yes.
01:47:21 <heidie> Vics is within walking distance of Red Hat.
01:47:26 <heidie> Relish is driving distance.
01:47:49 <lorip> our next IRC is scheduled for the week of August 17th - we will do another doodle poll closer to the date
01:47:52 <heidie> Relish has southern food. Ate there yesterday. Had boiled peanut hummus, fried black-eyed peas and mac and cheese.
01:48:07 <heidie> We will be meeting in the Red Hat Annex which is the building next door to the main Red Hat office.
01:48:15 <lorip> in the meantime, please feel free to email any of us with questions
01:48:24 <docrea> Thank you.
01:48:34 <dweikle> Yes, thanks!
01:48:37 <lorip> and if you want to lurk at our next IRC, it is Thurs at 2pm
01:48:39 <jfrench> I love Tir Na Nog in Raleigh... I'll have to hit it for dinner on the way home :)
01:49:01 <tom_n> Thanks for setting this up.   I feel a bit more comfortable using IRC
01:49:08 <Joe_W> thanks...first irc...very helpful
01:49:09 <jfrench> Me, too.
01:49:15 <stefan_c> Thank you for all your help with the organization!
01:49:21 <dweikle> Jfrench: I will likely be up for that before I leave... what kind of food is that exactly.
01:49:32 <jfrench> Irish and the live music is wonderful!
01:49:45 <heidie> Good! IRC is great fun.
01:49:48 <dweikle> Definitely up for that!
01:50:24 * lorip thinking any remaining questions?
01:50:36 <dweikle> I am happy!
01:50:41 <tom_n> None from me
01:50:43 <jfrench> I'm good
01:50:47 <stefan_c> I am all set.
01:50:55 * docrea has no questions.
01:50:59 <heidie> Looking forward to meeting everyone face-to-face!
01:51:09 <KevinBuffardi> looking forward to it
01:51:14 <darci> Me too!
01:51:16 <dweikle> Me too
01:51:19 <jfrench> As well!
01:51:21 <stefan_c> Me too, should be an exciting meeting.
01:51:24 <lorip> ok - thanks everyone!
01:51:34 * dweikle waves good-bye
01:51:42 <lorip> I'm going to end the meet bot and post the log online
01:52:05 <darci> bye all!
01:52:08 <lorip> it will be posted at #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_1_Activities#Part_A:_First_Two_Weeks if you want to check out the other meetings
01:52:21 <lorip> #endmeeting