13:02:20 <zsun> #startmeeting FZUG
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13:02:26 <zsun> #topic Roll Call
13:02:30 <zsun> .hellomynameis zsun
13:02:30 <zodbot> zsun: zsun 'Ziqian SUN (Zamir)' <sztsian@gmail.com>
13:02:37 <zsun> #chair gbraad gbraad_ bexelbie
13:02:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie gbraad gbraad_ zsun
13:03:37 <kaio> hihi
13:03:47 <zsun> #chair kaio
13:03:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie gbraad gbraad_ kaio zsun
13:04:06 <kaio> .hellomynameis kaio
13:04:07 <zodbot> kaio: kaio 'Caius Chance (かいお)' <me@kaio.net>
13:04:26 <lch[m]> hello from riot client
13:04:33 <kaio> hi lch
13:04:49 <zsun> hi lch[m]
13:07:38 <bexelbie> .hello bex
13:07:39 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com>
13:07:45 <zsun> hi bexelbie
13:08:18 <zsun> wait some more minutes for gbraad
13:09:14 <gbraad_> Hi
13:09:20 <zsun> gbraad_ hi
13:09:23 <zsun> let's get started
13:09:26 <zsun> #topic LinuxCon
13:09:57 <gbraad_> I am a little dozed. On medication...
13:10:12 <gbraad_> .hello gbraad
13:10:13 <zodbot> gbraad_: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' <me+fedora@gbraad.nl>
13:10:26 <zsun> gbraad_ oh. take care
13:11:11 <zsun> I think we are almost decided to hold the community meetup on Saturday, June 17th, right
13:11:13 <zsun> ?
13:11:23 <gbraad_> Right
13:11:37 <zsun> and now I think we are done with schedule
13:12:06 <zsun> so we can start to break up actions and start preparing (logistics etc.)
13:12:53 <gbraad_> bexelbie this fits your schedule. Correct?
13:17:42 <zsun> gbraad_ bexelbie I'll start working on a document for planning https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sZ4SUPc3FEKCv4W_vSDcyY_fY8c9WV31pq2MX3_slpQ/edit?usp=sharing
13:17:42 <BadGirl> LinuxCon Beijing 2017 Fedora event planning - Google Docs
13:18:21 <zsun> gbraad_ bexelbie granted you write permission to your both working and personal account
13:18:30 <teleboto> [alick9188] Meeting ongoing?
13:18:39 <zsun> hi Alick, yes
13:18:40 <gbraad_> Check
13:18:53 <gbraad_> Will open this after the meeting
13:18:54 <zsun> @alick9188 feel free to join by IRC or telegram
13:19:07 <zsun> gbraad_ no hurry, it's empty at the moment ;-)
13:19:41 <gbraad_> I think a lot will have to focus on media/social attention
13:20:47 <zsun> gbraad_ unfortunately I still did not get any response from cicku
13:21:04 <gbraad_> Brb
13:21:14 <gbraad_> Just continue
13:21:24 <zsun> gbraad_ currently I know Charles will help via the Red Hat channels (wechat subscription account, weibo etc.)
13:23:10 <gbraad_> OK, good
13:23:40 <gbraad_> But we might have to ask Christopher to post for us instead
13:23:56 <zsun> gbraad_ that also depends on when he can see my email
13:24:07 <zsun> gbraad_ I will certainly remind again
13:24:30 <gbraad_> I could try to reach him on FB
13:24:46 <zsun> gbraad_ that would be helpful
13:25:55 <zsun> gbraad_ I'll be the event owner for the community meetup then?
13:26:47 <gbraad_> If you don't mind. Else I can share... But it would be nice if you reach out to many for this
13:26:53 <gbraad_> Pany
13:27:32 <teleboto> [geekpany] yes？
13:27:51 <zsun> we have educational event(Red Hat will help), meet-and-greet(not sure if Red Hat will handle or not)
13:28:15 <zsun> @geekpany I am asked to remind you of helping on the community meetup
13:28:49 <teleboto> [geekpany] sure
13:28:58 <gbraad_> Geekpany, would you be willing to help zsun with the community event. You can learn a lot from this
13:29:12 <zsun> @geekpany see the link (google doc) I pasted. And if you want to know more things in Chinese, I will explain this in Chinese after the meeting
13:29:16 <gbraad_> But no obligation... Volunteer
13:30:26 <zsun> gbraad_ I hope you can be the event owner for the educational event, and I just help with communication/logistics
13:30:40 <zsun> since you know more about how it should happen ;-)
13:30:41 <teleboto> [geekpany] sure
13:30:46 <gbraad_> Ok
13:31:03 <zsun> gbraad_ and I know Charles planned to help
13:31:18 <zsun> I mean he will help the Friday events
13:33:17 <zsun> gbraad_ and what we need for the meetup. Promoting yes
13:33:40 <zsun> gbraad_: food? if so, who shall I ask for sponsor
13:34:10 <zsun> gbraad_ and the biggest question, where...
13:34:40 <gbraad_> This is related to the community event?
13:34:51 <gbraad_> ^^^
13:35:04 <zsun> gbraad_ yes, I am talking about the community meetup Saturday evening
13:35:10 * gbraad_ lost focus due to medicine
13:35:31 <zsun> gbraad_ since students are taking exams that week. And I already know TUNA cannot help
13:35:31 <gbraad_> I have no idea yet... But has to be by subway preferably
13:35:47 <gbraad_> No sanlitun, too expensive
13:36:13 <zsun> gbraad_ so that should be some café ?
13:36:34 <gbraad_> Well, we can ask BLUG if they have plans
13:36:54 <gbraad_> If not, we do our own thing
13:37:48 <gbraad_> Office location maybe?
13:37:56 <gbraad_> And if so, who?
13:38:03 <zsun> gbraad_ office?
13:38:15 <zsun> gbraad_ 9F Pantry?
13:38:25 <zsun> if so, the only question is about food
13:39:13 <gbraad_> We should have or regional budget
13:39:28 <gbraad_> s/or/our
13:40:06 <zsun> gbraad_ ok. I'll reach out to APAC. Although they already declined my request for meetup during the planning meeting
13:40:23 <gbraad_> Declined?!?
13:41:03 <zsun> gbraad_ yes. The FY18 Fedora APAC budget planning meeting held July 2016.
13:41:13 <zsun> All request for mainland China are declined
13:41:58 <gbraad_> >:-/
13:42:10 <zsun> with an excuse 'you can always find Red Hat for help'
13:42:34 <zsun> in fact all meetup are declined (SG, IN, CN). With the same reply
13:42:53 <gbraad_> bexelbie ^^^
13:43:18 <zsun> I will definitely file a ticket to query again.
13:43:20 <gbraad_> What is the motivation?
13:44:00 <zsun> sirko: To reduce smaller events and focus on bigger events with limited money
13:44:15 <gbraad_> Too little budget? Or just blocking to prevent communities from growing
13:44:54 <zsun> And for Greater China, they decided to sponsor for Fedora involving into COSCUP in Taiwan.
13:45:01 <gbraad_> Makes no sense in light of his own comments in Cambodia and recently in person
13:46:00 <zsun> while you know, I am not allowed to go to Taiwan alone :-(
13:46:15 <zsun> but that is another point. Let's get down to the tasks
13:46:35 <gbraad_> That last I heard and this makes no sense!
13:46:37 <gbraad_> That is like: lets organize an event for Hong Kong in Japan
13:46:54 <zsun> #action zsun figure out expenses for community meetup and file a ticket to request for budget
13:46:56 <gbraad_> Yes
13:47:51 <zsun> gbraad_ so what? I don't want to join the APAC budget planning meeting again. No sense and it takes a lot of money (both for APAC and for myself)
13:47:55 <gbraad_> zsun I believe the Taiwan situation allows 个人
13:48:33 <zsun> gbraad_ the point is, only allowed individuals born and registered in the allowed cities. While I am not
13:48:57 <gbraad_> Ah
13:49:00 <gbraad_> :-(
13:49:18 <gbraad_> They have no clue then
13:49:42 <zsun> I already told them. And that is why this year I refuse to take the event owner of COSCUP involvement.
13:49:55 <gbraad_> Good!
13:50:16 <gbraad_> This makes me furious... Really
13:50:30 <gbraad_> Not to you
13:50:40 <gbraad_> But ok. Let's.continue
13:51:11 <gbraad_> Will have to leave soon
13:51:13 <zsun> gbraad_ I prefer to sponsor some snacks only
13:51:22 <zsun> for the community meetup
13:51:27 <zsun> otherwise, it is costly
13:52:18 <gbraad_> Agree
13:52:38 <zsun> gbraad_ or pizza
13:53:04 <gbraad_> Might be an option
13:54:29 <gbraad_> If you don't mind, I will be off now. Feel bad
13:54:39 <lch[m]> 我终于想起来上个星期没想起来的那个问题了
13:54:39 <zsun> gbraad_ I think it needs some time to break down everything. I will try to handle it during the dragon boat holiday and remind you and bexelbie
13:54:58 <zsun> lch[m]: wait a minutes, we still need to finish the current topic
13:55:16 <zsun> gbraad_ any more to update?
13:56:48 <zsun> ok I'll switch the topic
13:56:52 <zsun> #topic Open Floor
13:56:58 <zsun> lch[m]:  好了，请讲
13:58:07 <teleboto> [zsun_remote] 「Re zsun: lch[m]: ...」@lichs ?
13:58:21 <lch[m]> 接着上周的，在发现那个 fedora.portingdb.xyz 之后
13:58:37 <lch[m]> 然后发现其中有一个包有点问题
13:59:29 <lch[m]> 所以我应该是直接把对应包的 rpm 仓库给 clone 下来改好再提交 PR 吗？
14:00:20 <zsun> 仓库是在 pkgs.fedoraproject.org/rpms/ 还是在 fedora.portingdb.xyz?
14:00:40 <lch[m]> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/
14:00:41 <BadGirl> Fedora Project Packages GIT repositories
14:01:01 <zsun> lch[m]:  oh, 那建议你到bugzilla.redhat.com报个bug
14:01:42 <lch[m]> 也就是说不推荐直接把相应的 Git 仓库 clone 下来自己搞是吗？
14:01:56 <zsun> 这个地址的内容是rpm打包的脚本，并且是个cgit，没有办法提PR
14:02:06 <zsun> 所以最佳的办法是报bug了
14:03:03 <lch[m]> 但是看了一下那个仓库的 commit history，最后一次由人进行的 commit 操作已经是两年前了
14:03:16 <lch[m]> 之后都是 Fedora Release Engineering
14:03:20 <zsun> lch[m]: 方便把地址发给我么
14:03:28 <lch[m]> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/wtop.git/
14:03:29 <BadGirl> rpms/wtop.git - wtop
14:03:42 <lch[m]> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/wtop.git/tree/wtop.spec
14:03:42 <BadGirl> wtop.spec - rpms/wtop.git - wtop
14:04:04 <lch[m]> 这个包的仍然在从 google code 上拖源代码
14:04:27 <zsun> lch[m]: ok.我知道了。 Kushal Das最近太忙了
14:04:29 <lch[m]> 然而实际上原作者已经转移到 Github 上并且有了更新的版本
14:04:47 <zsun> 你愿意做一些packaging工作么？
14:05:21 <zsun> 如果愿意，可以尝试在bug里面提交你的patch，以及问问他能否让你成为co-maintainer
14:05:23 <lch[m]> 愿意
14:05:36 <zsun> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/rpms/wtop/
14:05:38 <BadGirl> rpms/wtop | PkgDB
14:05:38 <lch[m]> 不过感觉自己什么都不懂
14:05:49 <zsun> lch[m]: 其实我也不懂。。
14:06:07 <zsun> 我当前只维护一个包，也是照葫芦画瓢
14:06:48 <lch[m]> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=983959
14:06:49 <BadGirl> Bug 983959 – [abrt] wtop-0.6.8-3.fc19: logrep:289:runit:IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/httpd/access_log'
14:06:53 <zsun> 我先结束会议，然后慢慢跟你说吧
14:06:59 <lch[m]> 这个包有一个 open 的 bug
14:07:03 <zsun> #endmeeting