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13:00:17 <zsun> #topic Roll Call
13:00:35 <zsun> #chair tonghuix tiansworld gbraad bexelbie
13:00:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie gbraad tiansworld tonghuix zsun
13:00:41 <zsun> .hellomynameis zsun
13:00:42 <zodbot> zsun: zsun 'None' <sztsian@gmail.com>
13:00:56 <zsun> anyone online now?
13:01:24 <bexelbie> .hello bex
13:01:24 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com>
13:01:52 <zsun> hi bexelbie
13:01:57 <bexelbie> Hey :)
13:02:05 <zsun> in fact this meeting have been quiet for some time now
13:02:07 <bexelbie> So apparently the Spring Festival is upon us ...
13:02:48 <zsun> bexelbie: fine, the Spring Festival vacation starts from next Friday (to Feb 2nd) so now it is still work time
13:03:04 <bexelbie> ahh, next Friday is when the mad rush to travel all over China begins :)
13:03:04 <gbraad> Even this Sunday
13:03:07 <bexelbie> I've seen pictures
13:03:21 <gbraad> It starts already
13:03:36 <bexelbie> Friends have told me about their 14 hour train rides in packed trains
13:03:40 <zsun> gbraad: amazing to see you attended
13:03:49 <tonghuix> ./hellomynameis tonghuix
13:03:56 <tonghuix> .hellomynameis tonghuix
13:03:57 <zodbot> tonghuix: tonghuix 'None' <tonghuix@gmail.com>
13:04:16 <zsun> two more minutes for roll call, then we get into topics
13:04:22 <gbraad> Tickets are sold out for weeks
13:04:36 <gbraad> .hello gbraad
13:04:37 <zodbot> gbraad: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' <me+fedora@gbraad.nl>
13:04:49 <tiansworld> .hellomynameis tiansworld
13:04:50 <zodbot> tiansworld: tiansworld 'None' <tiansworld@gmail.com>
13:04:57 <zsun> gbraad: Ah, you even knows much better than some Chinese in Beijing
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13:05:15 * zsun is amazed to see so many people attending today
13:05:23 <gbraad> Traffic is already a mess these days
13:05:34 <zsun> ok, let's get started
13:05:35 * bexelbie has never seen BJ traffic not a mess :P
13:05:42 <zsun> #topic Offline events
13:05:45 <gbraad> LOL
13:05:54 <zsun> XD
13:05:59 <zsun> let me introduce each other a bit
13:06:27 * gbraad is online on phone (typing will be slower)
13:06:32 <zsun> tiansworld is the Fedora Chinese Translation coordinator (zh_CN)
13:06:44 <zsun> tonghuix is an ambassador in Beijing
13:06:53 * zsun the same as Tonghuix
13:07:06 <zsun> IMO tiansworld is not in Beijing currently
13:07:12 <tonghuix> and gbraad？
13:07:27 * tiansworld no, in a western city
13:07:27 * gbraad is not relevant ;-)
13:07:42 <zsun> bexelbie is the current FCAIC of Fedoraproject, in EMEA
13:07:49 <bexelbie> I am based in EMEA
13:07:53 <bexelbie> my role is world-wide
13:08:04 <tonghuix> bexelbie: Hi, good to see you!!
13:08:11 <bexelbie> ty
13:08:24 <zsun> gbraad is ambassador mentor based in Beijing currently
13:08:45 <zsun> The talk started in the mailing list
13:08:55 * zsun looking for the mail archive
13:09:45 <zsun> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/7H35EIOQXUWNF23TVBMSGNATXM6JDUA6/
13:10:45 <zsun> bexelbie: I'd like to answer your question 2 and 3 first
13:11:09 <bexelbie> cool
13:11:37 <zsun> putting up a booth for that should not be a problem for us I guess
13:12:21 <tonghuix> zsun: A lot of stuff needed, dvds, booth cloths, flyers..and so one
13:12:26 <tonghuix> s/one/on
13:12:43 <zsun> #idea zsun thinks it should not be a problem putting up a booth for the LinuxCon event
13:13:07 <gbraad> Swag and merchandise is not the same problem
13:13:12 <bexelbie> While we don't need to identify someone today, is there someone in China willing to be the event owner and to approach APAC for funding for stuff
13:13:17 <zsun> tonghuix: since Red Hat will offer some help, swags wouldn't be a big problem.
13:13:32 <bexelbie> RH may not print the swag for Fedora - we will need to see
13:13:42 <bexelbie> I'd like to see this run at least partly through Ambassadors
13:13:46 <bexelbie> this isn't RH trying to dictate
13:13:54 <gbraad> +1
13:13:55 <bexelbie> I want RH to supplement an Ambassador driven presence
13:14:19 * bexelbie hasn't cleared all of his ideas with RH yet either :P ... I am trying to build support on both sides at the same time
13:14:36 <zsun> bexelbie: I can take this action, but from the budget planning FAD, we may not able to get too much
13:14:41 <tonghuix> Am I the only one not working in RH?
13:14:46 <bexelbie> To give an example
13:15:00 <tiansworld> tonghuix: Me also
13:15:23 <bexelbie> At LinuxCon Berlin - Fedora Ambassadors ran the booth and provided swag, etc.  RH provided a monitor to do demos on ($ridiculous cost) and provided support for an extra booth attendee who was an expert in modularity
13:15:23 <zsun> tonghuix no, tiansworld is also not a Red Hat employee. And you know gbraad and I was in Fedora first before join Red Hat
13:15:29 <gbraad> I am proposing a talk, but will try to keep it Fedora.
13:16:21 <zsun> I need to get approval from my manager beforehand, since the event is on working day.
13:16:38 <tonghuix> I would love to looking afer the booth during linuxcon, i am not good at fedora-ralated talk
13:16:38 <zsun> for swags, I will talk to site team as well as APAC
13:17:04 <bexelbie> tonghuix, perhaps there is a talk about translation and community you and I can propose together
13:17:09 <zsun> #action zsun query Fedora APAC about swags for LinuxCon Beijing
13:17:19 <tonghuix> bexelbie: oh yes!
13:17:33 <bexelbie> you too tiansworld  :)
13:17:34 <zsun> bexelbie: great idea. Even better if tiansworld can show up in Beijing at that time
13:17:58 * bexelbie read tiansworld instead of tonghuix :P  But I am happy to help with talk ideas for anyone and be a copresenter if desired
13:18:35 <gbraad> beexelbie is duo presentations preferred?
13:18:35 <bexelbie> I think this will be the first time that this event is held in China - so I think asking APAC if they can fund some travel is not unreasonable
13:18:50 <bexelbie> Having more Mandarin speakers is always good in China
13:19:16 <gbraad> If so, I can also co-present with others
13:19:54 <zsun> bexelbie: maybe, however now budget.next requires us to submit the budget plan in summer. And budget planning for FY18 already finished in July, 2016, so it needs some work
13:20:33 <bexelbie> budget.next is in progress still
13:20:33 <zsun> anyway, let's just see
13:20:37 <bexelbie> no FY18 planning has been done
13:20:42 * bexelbie is responsible for budget.next
13:20:43 <tiansworld> When will the event be held? I am afraid I won't be  able to go to Beijing due to heavy work loads.
13:20:58 <gbraad> BJ
13:20:59 <tonghuix> tiansworld: 19-20 June
13:21:19 <zsun> bexelbie: but APAC is already did the budget planning for FY18 (March 2017 - Feb2018) as Budget.next requires..
13:22:05 <gbraad> zsun who else can we approach for Fedora speakers?
13:22:05 <zsun> let's first get back to questions, then we can discuss other details in case we are missing something
13:22:06 <bexelbie> zsun, ok ... I didn't know that.  I hope their plans and the actual money will align :)
13:22:21 <bexelbie> +1
13:22:24 <tiansworld> tonghuix: summer is great.
13:22:34 <zsun> gbraad: let's talk about speakers last
13:22:38 <tiansworld> zsun: Try to contact Tommy He
13:22:48 <tonghuix> zsun: +1！！
13:22:51 <gbraad> +1
13:22:52 <zsun> tiansworld: thanks. Will ping him later
13:22:53 <tiansworld> zsun: ok
13:23:10 <bexelbie> so it sounds like #2 (can we do a booth) is a yes - but we need to think about funding a bit
13:23:16 * bexelbie tends to believe funding works itself out
13:23:18 <zsun> bexelbie: yes
13:23:20 <bexelbie> what about #3
13:23:38 <bexelbie> are we ok with sharing a booth with other communities and the community team from Red HAt?
13:23:40 <gbraad> Funding is a bed thing :-P
13:23:54 <zsun> for #3, sharing a booth works IMO
13:23:59 <gbraad> s/bed/bex/
13:24:09 <zsun> gbraad XD
13:25:09 <gbraad> Shouldn't be a worry, since impact can justify cost in the worst case. But this needs to be shown...
13:25:12 <bexelbie> Assuming we are not making a final decision, how does everyone else feel about sharing?
13:25:23 <gbraad> I prefer not to
13:25:26 <tonghuix> it is better share with a community not a company
13:25:47 <bexelbie> So the team that is going represents upstream communities, like Ceph, Gluster, OpenStack, etc.
13:25:50 <bexelbie> It is not a product team
13:25:53 <zsun> it is simply, as gbraad and I now works for Red Hat so it should be fine. The two things I need to figure out are, 1)what actually is the community team; 2) costs for renting (sharing) things should be figured out to see if we can afford
13:25:54 <gbraad> Or if it aligns, like Gnome?
13:26:16 <bexelbie> If we share, there would be no cost to the Fedora Public budget, assuming it works like in the past
13:26:30 <zsun> personally I prefer not to share with Red Hat, but share with some corresponding community
13:26:38 <bexelbie> gbraad, yes - we don't have a community lead for Gnome though
13:26:40 <gbraad> Zsun +q
13:26:40 <tonghuix> gbraad: it is okay for GNOME
13:26:50 <bexelbie> what about with CentOS?
13:26:52 <tonghuix> I am a GNOME foundation member now
13:26:58 <gbraad> Hmmm, good idea
13:27:03 <tonghuix> bexelbie: Good idea!
13:27:12 <zsun> bexelbie: +1
13:27:18 <gbraad> I have tried to get CentOS in e picture for a long time
13:27:27 * bexelbie will talk to CentOS and find out if they will be in the RH Community booth or would be willing to join us in a booth separately
13:27:31 <gbraad> kbsingh will be very happy
13:27:45 <gbraad> If we can do a dojo in the days around it ????
13:27:46 <bexelbie> also, what about a booth where we had a separate pod/area?
13:27:49 <gbraad> ;-)
13:28:09 <bexelbie> gbraad, those are CentOS questions :)  We should loop in jperrin
13:28:15 <bexelbie> and kb
13:28:17 <zsun> bexelbie sounds fine as long as we can put up a roll up and some swags
13:28:21 <gbraad> +1
13:28:40 <bexelbie> zsun, we would always be allowed a swag and rollup or I wouldn't suggest sharing :)
13:28:44 <gbraad> But it can ease the idea, this is why ii suggest
13:28:46 <bexelbie> we have a brand we want to show off
13:29:17 <bexelbie> proposed action: bex will follow up wiht CentOS about sharing and a dojo .. he will also clarify what sharing with the community booth means
13:29:21 <bexelbie> ok?
13:29:27 <gbraad> Community projects, like gnome or centos sound like possible share
13:29:38 <zsun> gbraad:  +1
13:29:40 <gbraad> +1
13:29:47 * zsun agrees with bexelbie
13:29:59 <bexelbie> #action bexelbie  will follow up wiht CentOS about sharing and a dojo .. he will also clarify what sharing with the community booth means
13:30:14 <tonghuix> For GNOME, I will ask BinLi for sharing booth help
13:30:26 <zsun> so #3 is almost clear
13:30:28 <gbraad> Sharing with Red Hat in China is not an ideal choice
13:30:30 <tonghuix> ...and other GNOME foundation
13:30:44 <gbraad> Willnnot help develop the community
13:30:45 <bexelbie> gbraad, can you elaborate on that (after the meeting is fine)
13:31:02 <zsun> now let's get to #1, I think it is most difficult question overall
13:31:04 <gbraad> I will offline later
13:31:08 <bexelbie> gbraad, ty
13:32:20 <zsun> I wonder if modularity attracts people or not
13:32:27 * zsun means in Beijing
13:32:52 <tonghuix> zsun: don't know more about LinuxCon's talk..
13:33:06 <bexelbie> I included it because it was something that is an emphasis of Fedora and unique
13:33:07 <zsun> since for the majority, they just see Linux as an OS, not something interesting now
13:33:11 <bexelbie> but that doesn't mean it is right for this market
13:33:29 <gbraad> bexelbie nothing bad, but there is a strong feeling of red hat controls fedora here in China.
13:33:54 <bexelbie> As you all are local, I hope you can suggest topics that will be interesting for people in Beijing/China
13:34:02 <bexelbie> gbraad, ok, that makes sense
13:34:20 <bexelbie> and how would you suggest we attract people to a booth, what messaging?
13:34:31 <bexelbie> With containers, the OS is more relevant than ever :)
13:34:41 <tonghuix> in my opinion, linuxCon more focus on cloud and comercial related topic, so a desktop distro talk may not accepted
13:35:00 <gbraad> Fedora and Atomicnis important
13:35:04 <zsun> tonghuix: luckily we have Fedora Atomic
13:35:16 <gbraad> We choose the drop the cloud image
13:35:28 <tonghuix> zsun: yep, so I suggest gbraad talk about Atomic
13:35:31 <gbraad> Thisnis big, as the Atomic idea is far stretching
13:35:45 <gbraad> It has a different workflow
13:35:51 <zsun> bexelbie: I think you are from OSAS, maybe you have some ideas on Atomic ?
13:35:56 <bexelbie> Project Atomic should have a good presence as well, afaik
13:36:00 <tonghuix> ...or openshift?
13:36:03 <bexelbie> I used to work on Atomic :)
13:36:14 <zsun> tonghuix: no, openshift is totally not Fedora
13:36:22 <bexelbie> OpenShift is also way cool and we are working on some Fedora+OpenShift stuff
13:36:37 <gbraad> Devtools
13:36:51 <gbraad> I will at least propose fedora atomic and devtools
13:36:55 <tonghuix> how about Fedora for DevOps?
13:36:59 <bexelbie> iirc there is a project in the works to use Fedora as a leading test and dev platform for OpenShift
13:37:04 <tiansworld> Excuse for my slow reading speed, so the event is more technical related?  Then I guess more professional talks are preferred.
13:37:15 <zsun> since this is a joint event for LinuxCon vs ContainerCon vs CloudOpen, contain related should be better
13:37:32 <zsun> tiansworld: +1
13:37:52 <tiansworld> It's not suitable for a normal daily user.
13:38:01 <tonghuix> tiansworld: I supose it is a hight-end commercial-technical conf
13:38:07 <gbraad> This is a weakness for Fedora China. Focus is a lot on translation
13:38:24 <gbraad> However, we can detail bodhi+koji, pagure etc
13:38:27 <bexelbie> It is not a user conference, it is for system administrators, programmers, managers
13:38:30 <tiansworld> gbraad: translation is no more focus
13:38:33 <tonghuix> yep we did a lot of on l10n
13:38:39 <tiansworld> gbraad: ed
13:39:11 <tiansworld> My own feelings
13:39:22 <bexelbie> One theme that Fedora can be is "Getting started in open source - being comfortable to make your first suggstion, patch, commit"
13:39:25 <zsun> let's get it clear.  bexelbie, since this event happens in CNCC, which is a commercial venue, so I assume the ticket is expensive
13:39:34 * gbraad typos and dense comments due to phone
13:39:45 <bexelbie> If this is in line with Fedora Ambassador's in China messaging
13:40:00 <bexelbie> zsun, if it is like the others
13:40:08 <bexelbie> there will be inexpensive hallway passes
13:40:25 <gbraad> Check
13:40:37 <bexelbie> for certain definitions of inexpensive
13:40:45 <bexelbie> but that is a funding detail
13:40:51 <tiansworld> So I don't think talking about translation or entry level thing  is a better choice on this event
13:40:59 <bexelbie> I really feel like I am hearing opinions on whether this is good for Fedora or not
13:41:31 <zsun> tiansworld: I hope you knows exactly what kind of events CNCC usually holds..
13:41:34 <bexelbie> How comfortable on Chinese Engineers with making open source contributions?  Should we talk about contributor onboarding?
13:41:42 <gbraad> I think it is good
13:41:51 <tiansworld> bexelbie: sorry if I misled you. :)
13:41:51 <gbraad> Yes
13:42:06 <zsun> bexelbie gbraad I think we may make it much technical focused
13:42:13 <gbraad> But we also reach out to potential companies to work with us
13:42:25 <gbraad> Like cs2c did before
13:42:26 <tiansworld> zsun: In fact, I don't know.
13:42:46 <zsun> tiansworld: will explain this a bit to you later on
13:43:13 <tiansworld> zsun: OK,
13:43:59 <gbraad> Back in 2 minutes
13:44:36 <zsun> bexelbie: generally I think open source is not widely known in China
13:45:10 <bexelbie> I know that several Chinese companies are trying to get their engineers involved in open source projects like OPNFV
13:45:23 <bexelbie> do you think we should talk about Fedora as a way to get used to working in open source
13:45:29 <bexelbie> because we have local people to talk to
13:45:37 <gbraad> Yes
13:45:38 <bexelbie> and some structure to work with and join?
13:45:51 <zsun> bexelbie: yes, if it can be accepted
13:45:55 <gbraad> The open source way
13:46:01 <bexelbie> Also we have both RHers and non-RHers so they can talk to the people they are comfortable with "corporate" or "community" even though we are all Fedora
13:46:32 * zsun always prefer to show up as fully community, although dayjob works in RH
13:47:16 <bexelbie> In that sense, even making a small translation to practice working with a contribution is a good idea
13:47:22 <tonghuix> bexelbie: good idea, but I think the audience may more commercial managers indead of programmer
13:47:23 <bexelbie> and even a small translation one-time is a good bonus for Fedora
13:47:34 <bexelbie> tonghuix, I don't know if we know .. this is the first time in China I think
13:47:39 <zsun> tonghuix +1
13:47:43 <bexelbie> and managers can tell programmers to visit us
13:48:09 <bexelbie> as we may be a "safer" first try than their major contribution to say OpenStack that is commercially critical to the company
13:48:12 <tonghuix> nope, managers and programmers are totally two different world
13:48:31 <zsun> bexelbie: I really prefer something technical related. Chinese hold different cultural vs generally westners
13:48:43 <bexelbie> Then lets stick to technical
13:49:05 <bexelbie> but it would be nice to have a theme we can all think on during the upcoming holiday and then come back and discuss further
13:50:20 <zsun> bexelbie: so what is the expected outcome for Fedora talks? this really matters
13:50:25 <tonghuix> yep, it is better start a mail thred focus on linuxcon talk
13:51:10 <tiansworld> IMO, the point is: What is the point of attending such an event for Fedora? This will determine the themes of the talks
13:51:13 <bexelbie> zsun, that is a question we should answer first.  What do we want for Fedora in China
13:51:25 * bexelbie looks at everyone else to help figure that out :)
13:51:38 <bexelbie> tiansworld, +1
13:51:41 <gbraad> It depends on who is repsonsible for the organisation. LF or LF+local agent, or local agent
13:51:57 <zsun> gbraad +1
13:52:01 <gbraad> with OpenStack it became very commercially focussed for the China days
13:52:11 <bexelbie> afaik LF is directly going to be present and running the event
13:52:17 <gbraad> OK
13:52:29 * zsun totally, seriously agreed with gbraadfor OpenStack Days China
13:52:36 <gbraad> hopefully similar to Japan
13:52:51 * bexelbie hasn't been to LF Japan, but my understanding is it is the same idea
13:53:00 * bexelbie will be there this year though, I think
13:53:23 <bexelbie> and I plan to start this same conversation with them .. :) you all just got to go first
13:53:52 <gbraad> In short i believe we should have a presence... but we need to discuss further about topics
13:54:12 <zsun> 5 minutes left for the meeting
13:54:16 <zsun> gbraad:  agreed
13:54:28 <gbraad> I would like the focus on the open source way, as it can align with our community aim, but also assisting those who want to join; companies and individuals
13:54:57 <zsun> so let's figure out some kind of info first, then we can have actions or better ideas on this question
13:55:00 <gbraad> but if possible, propose technical talks that are proven projects from Fedora
13:55:55 <gbraad> we all know what proven means, but thsi can be explained in the talk as community, people, etc, and the open source way
13:56:47 <zsun> bexelbie: I hope you can confirm with LF if they are directly running the event in Beijing, or they make other agent/companies do this
13:56:52 <tonghuix> for open source way, there are several talks that fedora china could talk to, but most are suitble for community-like conf, not a commercial-tech conf
13:57:06 <gbraad> tonghuix: we can work on this
13:57:15 <gbraad> tonghuix: provide examples of success stories
13:57:32 <zsun> gbraad tonghuix tiansworld we need to figure out what is expected and possible target audience/areas
13:57:33 <tonghuix> zsun: it should be working with CSIP or COPU
13:57:49 <zsun> tonghuix: I hope NOT
13:57:50 * gbraad refrains from comments
13:57:52 <tiansworld> zsun: +1,
13:58:37 <tonghuix> zsun: I would like to contact someone working in COPU to confirm it
13:58:45 <tiansworld> 1. Get to the background of organizer, directly or indirectly
13:59:13 <zsun> and we also have to figure out maybe the plan/aim for Fedora Chinese User Group in FY18, as it will start soon
13:59:23 <zsun> tiansworld: +1
13:59:42 <gbraad> huawei is a main sponsor. could it be they are assisting?
14:00:06 <zsun> gbraad: if huawei assisting, it would be much better than COPU or CISP IMO
14:00:20 <gbraad> same thought, anyways....
14:00:33 <gbraad> this is not the biigest question
14:00:38 <tonghuix> zsun: yep, a huge company better than a gov
14:00:51 <zsun> gbraad: I will contact with Richard Lin in Huawei
14:00:57 <gbraad> it is about; what can we do for LinuxCon, and is LinuxCon the place for us?
14:01:15 <tiansworld> tonghuix: That means more technology than *bullshit* :)
14:01:31 <zsun> #action zsun contact with Richard Lin to see the roles Huawei acts in LinuxCon Beijing
14:02:16 <tonghuix> #action tonghuix contact with someone working in COPU to see the roles of gov will act in LinuxCon
14:02:48 <zsun> I think we've been talking about much problematic questions now. I think we also need to make it clear when shall the next meeting be
14:02:50 <gbraad> I think we need some time to get an answer to topics. can we make an action to get visibility on potential topics/speakers?
14:03:01 <zsun> bexelbie: is this time Friday fits you well?
14:03:10 <bexelbie> Generally yes
14:03:21 <bexelbie> next week is devconf and the week after that is FOSDEM so my availability may be tougher
14:03:26 <bexelbie> but generally yes
14:03:28 <zsun> bexelbie: Great.
14:03:38 <zsun> bexelbie: I'd like to make it clear of our vacations
14:03:39 * bexelbie just added this to my calendar as a recurring meeting :)
14:03:45 * gbraad cant attend FOSDEM :,-(
14:04:08 <zsun> next Friday ( Jan 27th ) is in Spring Festival vacation so seems no meetings
14:04:35 * bexelbie deletes entry for Jan 27 :)
14:04:45 <zsun> the week after ( Feb 3rd ) I am still taking PTO and away from internet. So anyone will make this happen?
14:04:52 <gbraad> zsun: we plan a meeting, but will focus on getting answers within our community also
14:05:11 <zsun> gbraad: agreed. We still need to work on this out of the meeting
14:05:18 <gbraad> yes
14:05:33 <bexelbie> Is 10 Feb too soon to continue this conversation?
14:05:48 <zsun> if nobody can make Feb 3rd happen, then it is also tentative.
14:05:49 <gbraad> sounds reasonable
14:06:05 <tiansworld> I think you guys would better to hold a meeting face to face.
14:06:11 <gbraad> it should not be postponed after the 10th...
14:06:12 <tonghuix> when is the CFP deadline?
14:06:14 <zsun> bexelbie: ideally we have IRC meetings weekly
14:06:27 <zsun> tonghuix: March 18
14:06:54 <gbraad> we can use a confcall if needed
14:07:22 <tonghuix> a meet.jit.si also works for it
14:07:38 <zsun> So we still hold IRC meetings from Feb. 10th as usual (if possible) and for the next irc meeting focused on this topic we can announce it in the mailing list if needed
14:07:40 <bexelbie> If f2f works hold it without me .. I understand
14:07:52 <zsun> tonghuix: fine, or BlueJeans (although commercial
14:08:31 <gbraad> we'll figure out how later... first, when, and why ;-)
14:08:53 <gbraad> I am OK to travel during day time...
14:09:08 <gbraad> so, f2f no issue
14:09:35 <gbraad> I will try to visit raycom next week... zsun and I can meet beforehand related to this
14:09:37 <zsun> gbraad: ideally you can visit 'your' office someday and have F2F there if needed ;-)
14:09:56 * gbraad has only a concept of home office ;-)
14:10:15 <zsun> gbraad: Hey, my PTO starts next Wednesday.. Only Monday and Tuesday (morning only) works
14:10:38 <gbraad> hmmm... OK. let's try Monday?
14:10:57 <gbraad> we'll discuss offline
14:11:07 <zsun> bexelbie: if things are clear, we can have IRC meeting on this topic Feb 10 or 17 for the next time
14:11:08 <bexelbie> tonghuix, tiansworld we can also talk about community talk ideas .. even if we don't use them for this we can look at using them elsewhere
14:11:13 <gbraad> this means tonghuix and us will catch up later?
14:11:19 <bexelbie> zsun, sure and feel free to loop me in on email, etc.
14:11:30 <tonghuix> okay from my side
14:11:36 <gbraad> tonghuix will you leave BJ?
14:12:04 <tonghuix> gbraad: no, I was born in BJ, so don't leave
14:12:08 <gbraad> ;-)
14:12:15 <gbraad> you sound like my wife
14:12:24 <tonghuix> gbraad: haha maybe
14:12:35 <zsun> tiansworld: we will involve you in by conference call when essential
14:13:04 <gbraad> zsun: tiansworld tommyhe by email and ask for confcall
14:13:26 <gbraad> try to make it without me, so you guys speak Chinese ;-)
14:13:33 <zsun> #ideas gbraad and tonghuix come to Red Hat Raycom office next week for face to face meeting
14:13:45 <zsun> #idea gbraad and tonghuix come to Red Hat Raycom office next week for face to face meeting
14:14:11 <tonghuix> next week?
14:14:14 * gbraad will leave soon... kid needs to sleep
14:14:23 <zsun> #idea conference call with tiansworld and Tommy He for community planning
14:14:42 <zsun> tonghuix: if you can not make it next week, we can meet later
14:14:59 <zsun> gbraad: I will send you some other question later
14:15:28 <gbraad> ok
14:15:29 <zsun> #action zsun remind bexelbie the next IRC meeting time
14:15:30 <tonghuix> zsun: before 25th is okay for me
14:15:49 <zsun> are we clear now? I mean actions
14:16:26 <zsun> so I think we are done.
14:16:32 <gbraad> I am OK. follow-up questions will come by email
14:16:50 <zsun> yes, follow-up questions can be emails
14:16:55 <tonghuix> okay
14:17:03 * zsun closing the meetings in 1 minute
14:17:12 * gbraad already leaves
14:17:15 <gbraad> bye bye
14:17:20 <zsun> gbraad: see you later
14:18:01 <zsun> #endmeeting