13:04:21 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting NeuroFedora - 2021-08-02
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13:04:39 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: the hello command is a general zodbot command, not specific to meetings
13:04:46 <FranciscoD> #meetingname neurofedora
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13:04:46 <omnidapps[m]> ah ok
13:04:56 <FranciscoD> #chair omnidapps[m] achilleas MeWjOr
13:04:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr achilleas omnidapps[m]
13:05:33 <omnidapps[m]> I am not seeing it here either :S https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot
13:06:30 <FranciscoD> try messaging "help" to zodbot
13:06:34 <omnidapps[m]> k
13:06:42 <FranciscoD> #topic Agenda
13:06:42 <omnidapps[m]> /msg zodbot help
13:07:00 <FranciscoD> Agenda remains the same pretty much: https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/2021/08/02/next-open-neurofedora-meeting-02-august-1300-utc.html
13:07:07 <FranciscoD> #info New introductions and roll call.
13:07:12 <FranciscoD> #info Tasks from last meeting.
13:07:18 <FranciscoD> #info Open Pagure tickets.
13:07:23 <FranciscoD> #info Package health check.
13:07:29 <FranciscoD> #info Open package reviews check.
13:07:34 <FranciscoD> #info CompNeuro lab compose status check for Fedora 35.
13:07:39 <FranciscoD> #info Neuroscience query of the week
13:07:43 <FranciscoD> #info Next meeting day, and chair.
13:07:46 <FranciscoD> #info Open floor
13:07:55 <FranciscoD> #topic New introductions and roll call
13:07:56 <FranciscoD> #chair major
13:07:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr achilleas major omnidapps[m]
13:08:03 <FranciscoD> #chair VivekSharma[m]
13:08:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr VivekSharma[m] achilleas major omnidapps[m]
13:08:15 <FranciscoD> .hello
13:08:15 <zodbot> FranciscoD: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
13:08:19 <FranciscoD> .hello ankursinha
13:08:20 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
13:08:26 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: ^
13:08:27 <omnidapps[m]> on matrix it doesn't let me message it, will just watch someone introduce themselves :D
13:08:28 <VivekSharma[m]> Hi
13:08:35 <FranciscoD> .hello omnidapps
13:08:36 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Sorry, but you don't exist
13:08:40 <omnidapps[m]> .hello nerdsville
13:08:40 <zodbot> omnidapps[m]: nerdsville 'Josh Santos' <josh@omnidapps.com>
13:08:44 <FranciscoD> ++
13:08:48 <FranciscoD> hi VivekSharma[m] , how is it going?
13:08:55 <FranciscoD> .hello major
13:08:57 <zodbot> FranciscoD: major 'Aniket Pradhan' <aniketpradhan1999@gmail.com>
13:09:14 <VivekSharma[m]> Good. I finally managed to join the first meeting.
13:09:18 <major> Hey! doing great... how about you? :D
13:09:50 <FranciscoD> VivekSharma[m]: yay, thanks for cominng
13:09:58 <FranciscoD> VivekSharma[m]: do you have an FAS yet? I forget
13:10:18 <FranciscoD> major: good too, still busy but slightly less now XD
13:10:19 <VivekSharma[m]> FranciscoD: Yes, I have.
13:11:00 <FranciscoD> VivekSharma[m]: awesome, if there's anything we can help with, please do let us know
13:11:05 <MeWjOr> ahh... you're a postdoc right? Busy business :P
13:11:22 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: yeh, fun but busy XD
13:11:36 <FranciscoD> Let's proceed with the agenda now
13:11:42 <FranciscoD> #topic Tasks from last meeting
13:11:54 <FranciscoD> #info Minutes from last meeting are here: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/neurofedora/neurofedora.2021-07-19-13.02.html
13:12:02 <VivekSharma[m]> FranciscoD: Sure, let me see if today I can find some task to contribute with.
13:12:15 <FranciscoD> #info MeWjOr add new packages to docs
13:12:20 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: this is done I think?
13:12:55 <MeWjOr> yep, done
13:13:00 <FranciscoD> #info Sources for NeuroFedora docs are here: https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/documentation/commits/main
13:13:10 <FranciscoD> awesome
13:13:14 <FranciscoD> #info MeWjOr add new packages to docs: DONE
13:13:31 <FranciscoD> Next: MeWjOr create ticket for our submission to NEST
13:13:42 <FranciscoD> this is also done. Here's the ticket: https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/455
13:13:52 <FranciscoD> #info MeWjOr create ticket for our submission to NEST: DONE: https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/455
13:14:09 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: let's discuss anything NEST related in open floor?
13:14:53 <FranciscoD> #info NEST with Fedora (conference) starts this week. Register for free here: https://hopin.com/events/nest-with-fedora-2021
13:14:55 <MeWjOr> Here's the flock ticket: https://pagure.io/flock/issue/336
13:15:07 <MeWjOr> Yes, sure... I have made the slides too :D
13:15:08 <omnidapps[m]> ooh registering now :D
13:15:16 <MeWjOr> s/made/updated*
13:15:18 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr++
13:15:20 <FranciscoD> awesome
13:15:28 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD send out logs: DONE
13:15:34 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD reply to twitter thread with log link: DONE
13:15:43 <FranciscoD> #nick neuro-sig
13:15:48 <FranciscoD> #info neuro-sig go over their packages to fix FTBFS and FTI bugs: WIP
13:15:59 <FranciscoD> we'll see more about this last one in the package health check topic
13:16:13 <FranciscoD> that's all the actions from last meeting, all done!
13:16:23 <MeWjOr> Great!
13:16:26 <FranciscoD> #topic Open pagure tickets
13:16:37 <FranciscoD> #info Please open tickets here and use the next-meeting tag: https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issues?status=Open&tags=S%3A+Next+meeting
13:16:43 <MeWjOr> I wasn't able to review catch22... did you get it reviewed yet?
13:17:09 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: not yet, been busy with FTBFS bugs, let's discuss that in the health check/review topics?
13:17:14 <MeWjOr> Suer
13:17:15 <MeWjOr> Sure
13:17:18 <FranciscoD> #info No tickets for discussion this week
13:17:29 <FranciscoD> #topic Package health check
13:17:40 <FranciscoD> #info See the neuro-sig packaging dashboard here: https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/neuro-sig
13:18:27 <FranciscoD> some new bugs were filed recently after the F35 mass rebuild finished
13:18:45 <FranciscoD> So I think we should focus on FTBFS (failed to build from source) and FTI (failed to install) bugs to begin with
13:19:10 <FranciscoD> I'll take care of the fsleyes stack---we were waiting on a sip update. Should be doable now
13:19:22 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD update and fix fsleyes stack
13:19:50 <MeWjOr> yep... I was trying to look into mne as well... it got some graphical updates, and it seems to be a mess to test in mock
13:20:04 <FranciscoD> and the SALib bug will be fixed soon too. New version introduced 5 new deps that had to be packaged up. Got 2 still left
13:20:20 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: ugh--disable tests that require UI and network etc. They tend to be unstable
13:20:34 <MeWjOr> gotcha
13:20:43 <FranciscoD> #action MeWjOr disable unstable tests to fix mne
13:20:57 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD continue packaging SALib deps to update it to new release (and fix FTBFS)
13:21:19 <FranciscoD> I thin pyscaffold has a similar issue---some BR is broken, so we can't build it either
13:21:54 <FranciscoD> s/thin/think/
13:22:22 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD investigate pyscaffold FTBFS
13:22:42 <FranciscoD> of course, if anyone has the time, please feel free to work on any bugs and open pull requests etc. :)
13:23:16 <FranciscoD> uh, looks like the bugzilla update broke links. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1987887 -> not found
13:23:18 <FranciscoD> used to work before
13:23:43 <omnidapps[m]> assistance is spelled incorrectly
13:23:50 <omnidapps[m]> says "assitance"
13:23:58 <MeWjOr> lol
13:24:10 <MeWjOr> what was the bugzilla link for?
13:24:36 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: the pyscaffold bug
13:24:42 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD filed https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/packager_dashboard/issue/119
13:24:46 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: where's that?
13:24:52 <FranciscoD> ah, bugzilla?
13:24:55 <omnidapps[m]> check the link you posted
13:24:56 <omnidapps[m]> yea
13:25:12 <FranciscoD> you can e-mail them to let them know I guess
13:25:17 <omnidapps[m]> :P ok
13:25:26 <omnidapps[m]> doing that now
13:25:46 <FranciscoD> awesome, thanks
13:26:02 <FranciscoD> iirc hdmf needs to be updated for the new pynwb release too
13:26:08 <FranciscoD> already assigned to me probably
13:26:48 <FranciscoD> uh, the broken links are really annoying---makes the packager dashboard quite useless if one can't go to bugs from there XD
13:26:52 * FranciscoD goes through bugzilla
13:27:15 <FranciscoD> pywnb bugs: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&classification=Fedora&component=python-pynwb&list_id=12049652&product=Fedora&query_format=advanced
13:27:26 <omnidapps[m]> I should have just added the comment about the misspelling in the ticket lol
13:27:39 <omnidapps[m]> should be fine anyhow :) separate concern altogether
13:27:46 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: nah, the dashboard is a different project to bugzilla
13:27:53 <FranciscoD> unless you're referring to a different ticet?
13:27:56 <FranciscoD> s/ticet/ticket/
13:28:06 <omnidapps[m]> I am not, so the issue is the format of the URL?
13:28:32 <FranciscoD> yes, bugzilla used to allow referring to bugs using bugzilla.redhat.com/<bug number>
13:28:39 <FranciscoD> this form seems to have been removed now
13:28:41 <omnidapps[m]> ah! got it
13:28:47 <FranciscoD> so one has to use the long form: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1948573
13:29:10 <omnidapps[m]> should be simple enough to fix using a rewrite
13:29:28 <omnidapps[m]> weird it broke
13:30:21 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: yeh, the dashboard will need a tweak
13:30:30 <FranciscoD> either frontend or server conf
13:31:25 <FranciscoD> oh, I think we'll have to let jlems retire + orphan---the java deps it needs aren't in Fedora any more
13:31:35 <FranciscoD> and we don't have the cycles to take ownership of them
13:31:53 <FranciscoD> nothing uses jlems, and it's only an API anyway, so shouldn't be an issue for users
13:31:59 <omnidapps[m]> what is jlems?
13:32:17 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: reference java implementation of the LEMS language: https://github.com/LEMS/jLEMS
13:32:19 <omnidapps[m]> found it nvm
13:32:24 <FranciscoD> http://lems.github.io/LEMS/
13:32:41 <omnidapps[m]> I wish I knew more Java, I'd take a stab at owning it
13:32:47 <omnidapps[m]> I'll focus on patches for now
13:32:47 <FranciscoD> part of the NeuroML ecosystem: https://docs.neuroml.org
13:32:57 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: yeh, that'll be better. Java in Fedora is a bit messy at the moment
13:33:24 <FranciscoD> the core deps like spring etc are very challenging to maintain, and now loadsa tools are moving to gradle which pretty much can't be packaged for Fedora
13:33:48 <FranciscoD> OK, I think our packages are fine. A few FTBFS etc. bugs that we should work on
13:33:55 <omnidapps[m]> which build systems can be packaged for fedora?
13:33:59 <omnidapps[m]> maven?
13:34:07 <FranciscoD> #info Packages healthy: a few FTBFS bugs after mass rebuild that need to be worked on
13:34:11 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: maven and ant are in Fedora already
13:34:20 <omnidapps[m]> ok
13:34:23 <FranciscoD> gradle is designed to require network etc. to build itself, and so it's a nightmare
13:35:41 <omnidapps[m]> apologies for rabbit hole :D
13:36:44 <FranciscoD> nah, it's a known issue now. Lots of discussion on the -devel list about gradle and java, but no real solution
13:37:04 <FranciscoD> found the thread: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/RUMUORRTAGTYXUZXZYS23562Q55EHXDM/#5JAFY7DAC75KVWCECLLAO66WJDYTLNHA
13:37:13 <FranciscoD> #info Gradle in Fedora discussion on -devel: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/RUMUORRTAGTYXUZXZYS23562Q55EHXDM/#5JAFY7DAC75KVWCECLLAO66WJDYTLNHA
13:37:16 <omnidapps[m]> I got to catch up on reading the devel list... quite frankly I don't read it enough
13:38:08 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: it's far too active a list---I tend to skim over subjects and very rarely expand the full e-mails XD
13:38:27 <FranciscoD> #topic Open package reviews check.
13:38:58 <FranciscoD> #info Open NeuroFedora package reviews: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=fedora-neuro -> click on "show advanced fields" -> "Depends on"
13:39:50 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: ah, I review swapped with Jerry so they've taken up catch22: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1980562
13:40:00 <FranciscoD> I'll make fixes and reply to them there
13:40:10 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD make fixes to catch22 based on reviews
13:40:13 <MeWjOr> that's nice ;D
13:40:46 <FranciscoD> #info spikeextractors is blocked by hdmf: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1931183
13:41:04 <FranciscoD> #info sumarta seems to be an inactive project: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1809405
13:41:32 <FranciscoD> That's all for the current review queue.
13:41:54 <omnidapps[m]> I can review
13:41:59 <FranciscoD> if anyone is looking for software to package, we have 194 issues here: https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issues?tags=S%3A+Needs+packaging&status=Open
13:42:20 <omnidapps[m]> awesome, bookmarking
13:42:28 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: sure, go ahead and review them. You won't be able to approve them until you become a member of the package maintainer group though (which I don't think you are yet)
13:42:43 <omnidapps[m]> I am not :)
13:42:46 <FranciscoD> you can also use the board here: https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/boards/Software%20packaging
13:43:03 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: if you'd like to get sponsored, do let me know. (I'm a sponsor)
13:43:12 <omnidapps[m]> wow I didn't know that pagure had a kanban
13:43:25 <FranciscoD> we can add you as a neuro-sig co-maintainer to start with, and you can learn it all while opening PRs for the packages etc.
13:43:49 <omnidapps[m]> I can try it, why not... good way to dabble into things
13:44:02 <FranciscoD> awesome, I'll sponsor you after the meeting
13:44:22 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD sponsor omnidapps[m] to package maintainer group and add to neuro-sig packaging team
13:44:36 <omnidapps[m]> what is GGobi?
13:44:48 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: data visualisation tool from the looks of it
13:44:55 <FranciscoD> ran into it at a neuroinformatics tutorial
13:45:09 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: you can use the tags that each issue has to see tools in particular categories
13:45:19 <omnidapps[m]> ok, I'll try this https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/457 if it's ok
13:45:38 <omnidapps[m]> maybe need to start with ggobi first
13:45:42 <FranciscoD> sure, take a look and see how much work it looks
13:45:51 <omnidapps[m]> should I take #456 first?
13:45:57 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: yeh, you'll have to see what its dependencies are and package them one by one
13:46:18 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: best to take a look and see what the total work (including deps is)
13:46:20 <fm-neuro> 15pagure.issue.assigned.added -- nerdsville assigned ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#456 to nerdsville 10https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/456
13:46:27 <omnidapps[m]> k
13:46:35 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: always easier to package "leaf" packages where the deps are already in Fedora
13:47:10 <FranciscoD> #topic CompNeuro lab compose status check for Fedora 35.
13:47:23 <FranciscoD> #info CompNeuro compose task on Koji: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=30691
13:47:28 <FranciscoD> #info All good---compose is building fine
13:47:39 <FranciscoD> #topic Neuroscience query of the week
13:47:46 <FranciscoD> Anything here? Neuro or general science? :)
13:48:54 <FranciscoD> I haven't read anything general this week
13:49:07 <FranciscoD> lots of interesting bits on the planet of course: https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/planet-neuroscientists/
13:49:16 <omnidapps[m]> planetneurobot became conscious :D
13:49:25 <MeWjOr> o.o?
13:49:40 <FranciscoD> from the asteriod that killed the dinosaurs to exo moons :D
13:49:50 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: we set up the cron on GH actions, so it builds itself now :D
13:49:57 <omnidapps[m]> https://github.com/neurofedora/planet-neuroscientists/commit/0b02bd92c95e6a4f87e019709e3406b7b546b85f
13:50:05 <omnidapps[m]> and it learned to commit for itself too :)
13:50:06 <MeWjOr> that's great guys!
13:50:15 <MeWjOr> .thank omnidapps[m] FranciscoD
13:50:16 <zodbot> MeWjOr thinks omnidapps [m] FranciscoD is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please also type omnidapps [m] FranciscoD++ since that is what gives them a cookie)
13:50:24 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: +1
13:50:48 <FranciscoD> #topic Next meeting day, and chair.
13:50:53 <FranciscoD> in 2 weeks 1300 UTC?
13:51:00 <MeWjOr> +1
13:51:03 <omnidapps[m]> works perfect for me :D
13:51:13 <FranciscoD> OK, let's keep it at this slot then
13:51:23 <FranciscoD> #agreed Next meeting in 2 weeks at same time (1300 UTC)
13:51:28 <FranciscoD> any volunteers for chairing? :D
13:51:30 <omnidapps[m]> I got a recurring thing in my calendar... can shift if it changes though
13:52:07 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: I did think about adding an entry to the fedora calendar, but then I thought me manually sending the reminder ensures that I don't forget about the meeting XD
13:52:23 <omnidapps[m]> Oh, I mean my work calendar :D
13:52:27 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: omnidapps[m]: VivekSharma[m] : would you like to chair the next one?
13:52:48 <FranciscoD> one just has to go through the agenda one by one using zodbot commands
13:52:59 <MeWjOr> I can :D
13:53:06 <FranciscoD> awesome, thanks MeWjOr
13:53:11 <FranciscoD> #action MeWjOr to chair next meeting
13:53:14 <omnidapps[m]> Maybe we should give Vivek the opportunity if he wants to
13:53:16 <omnidapps[m]> or not :D
13:53:19 <FranciscoD> XD
13:53:24 <FranciscoD> VivekSharma[m]: it's yours if you want it
13:53:38 <FranciscoD> I'm sure MeWjOr would be happy to have one fewer task on the backlog ;)
13:53:44 <MeWjOr> lol
13:53:59 <VivekSharma[m]> ahh, I don't know much what to do. I would still like to be a spectator. let me join and see things next time also and then I can try.
13:54:09 <omnidapps[m]> ok, awesome :)
13:54:12 <FranciscoD> sounds good
13:54:23 <FranciscoD> we have a few minutes for the open floor
13:54:27 <FranciscoD> #topic Open floor
13:54:44 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: anything we can do to help with https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/455 ?
13:54:53 <MeWjOr> So, I modified the FOSDEM slides a bit for nest
13:54:55 <MeWjOr> https://github.com/Aniket-Pradhan/2021-nest-neurofedora
13:55:08 <MeWjOr> I think I would be able to cover it in 25 minutes
13:55:09 <omnidapps[m]> FranciscoD: who to reach out to on infra re: venus -> pluto? kevin?
13:55:46 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: sounds good. The target audience will be foss folks, with few neuro folks, so we approach it accordingly
13:56:00 <FranciscoD> i guess the goal would be to give an update but try to get more foss folks involved
13:56:15 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: either a ticket on their pagure, or their mailing list would be the place to start
13:56:22 <omnidapps[m]> k
13:56:23 <FranciscoD> that's how infra co-ordinates all their tasks
13:56:42 <omnidapps[m]> which is preferable? choices aren't fun :D
13:57:08 <MeWjOr> yeah, I was thinking I could omit some neuro related stuff... but then I thought that it is kinda neccesary since most folks aren't related to neuro
13:57:28 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: it may require a bit of discussion, so maybe the ML?
13:57:38 <omnidapps[m]> got it, thanks!
13:57:41 <FranciscoD> and then once you have some action items, perhaps tickets can be used
13:57:52 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: i think a quick overview is necessary yeh
13:58:12 <MeWjOr> yep... will try to make that bit short
13:58:56 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: worth saying/indicating that academics are overworked + underpaid, and that volunteering for projects that don't directly related to $projects is not common in academic circles
13:59:00 <omnidapps[m]> alright, I am off to work, cheers guys ^.^
13:59:12 <FranciscoD> omnidapps[m]: thanks for coming, have fun at work!
13:59:24 <MeWjOr> yep, will add that to my pitch
13:59:30 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: (and so we'd like to get more foss folks involved in neuro
13:59:33 <FranciscoD> )
13:59:37 <FranciscoD> something of that sort
14:00:26 <FranciscoD> 1530 utc is 1630 for me---I have a recurring work meeting at 1600 so I may turn up late :/
14:00:39 <FranciscoD> #info NEST schedule is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Nest_with_Fedora_2021_Schedule
14:01:08 <MeWjOr> :/
14:01:50 <FranciscoD> let's see, maybe I can get out early from the meeting to join up
14:02:06 <MeWjOr> that would be fun :F
14:02:08 <MeWjOr> ;D
14:02:10 <FranciscoD> OK, that's the meeting for today then. Let's close and we can continue discussing things async
14:02:14 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: XD
14:02:14 <MeWjOr> I'll also ping the ML about nest
14:02:28 <FranciscoD> yeh, remember to mention that it's free to register XD
14:02:33 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting