16:00:16 <MeWjOr> #startmeeting NeuroFedora 2020-02-25
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16:00:29 <MeWjOr> #meetingname neurofedora
16:00:29 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'neurofedora'
16:01:09 <MeWjOr> #chair MeWjOr FranciscoD gicmo bt0 dan1mal alciregi
16:01:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr alciregi bt0 dan1mal gicmo
16:01:25 <dan1mal> .fasinfo
16:01:28 <zodbot> dan1mal: (fasinfo <username>) -- Return information on a Fedora Account System username.
16:01:34 <dan1mal> .fasinfo dan1mal
16:01:35 <zodbot> dan1mal: User: dan1mal, Name: Danny Lee, email:, Creation: 2019-07-29, IRC Nick: dan1mal, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: B2D41DBDBC0206EA, Status: active
16:01:37 <MeWjOr> Please feel free to add yourselves to the chair (in case I missed someone)
16:01:38 <zodbot> dan1mal: Approved Groups: neuro-sig packager fedorabugs qa cla_done cla_fpca
16:01:45 <MeWjOr> #topic Agenda Summary
16:02:06 <gicmo> o/
16:03:07 <MeWjOr> #info
16:03:17 <MeWjOr> #info Introductions and roll call
16:03:21 <MeWjOr> #info Tasks from last meeting
16:03:28 <MeWjOr> #info Pagure tickets
16:03:34 <MeWjOr> #info Bugs
16:03:43 <MeWjOr> #info Neuroscience query of the week
16:03:47 <MeWjOr> #info Open floor
16:03:59 <MeWjOr> #topic Introductions and roll call
16:04:15 <MeWjOr> A quick roll-call, and let's move forward
16:04:23 <MeWjOr> .fasinfo major
16:04:25 <zodbot> MeWjOr: User: major, Name: Aniket Pradhan, email:, Creation: 2019-02-09, IRC Nick: MeWjOr, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
16:04:28 <zodbot> MeWjOr: Approved Groups: qa neuro-sig fedorabugs packager wikiedit cla_done cla_fpca
16:04:33 <dan1mal> .fasinfo dan1mal
16:04:49 <zodbot> dan1mal: User: dan1mal, Name: Danny Lee, email:, Creation: 2019-07-29, IRC Nick: dan1mal, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: B2D41DBDBC0206EA, Status: active
16:04:52 <zodbot> dan1mal: Approved Groups: neuro-sig packager fedorabugs qa cla_done cla_fpca
16:05:37 <FranciscoD> .fasinfo ankursinha
16:05:55 <FranciscoD> @ping
16:06:02 <FranciscoD> hrm, oh well
16:06:04 <zodbot> FranciscoD: User: ankursinha, Name: Ankur Sinha, email:, Creation: 2008-05-28, IRC Nick: FranciscoD, Timezone: Europe/London, Locale: en_GB, GPG key ID: E629112D, Status: active
16:06:07 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Approved Groups: @scitech_sig @wikiedit provenpackager +packager robotics-sig @ask-fedora scitech @neuro-sig @fedora-join cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs @freemedia @gitfedora-tour cla_fpca @gitfpaste +qa
16:06:13 <FranciscoD> ah
16:07:04 <MeWjOr> Next topic?
16:07:12 <MeWjOr> #topic Tasks from last meeting on 2020-02-11
16:07:29 <MeWjOr> #info Minutes:
16:08:37 <MeWjOr> #info MeWjOr write event report, send to ML, submit to Mindshare --- Written a draft so far... Will review and add more stuff soon
16:08:47 <MeWjOr> #info MeWjOr e-mail ML with other discussion points that came up during FOSDEM --- Done
16:09:05 <FranciscoD> please re-assign tasks that we haven't completed
16:09:13 * FranciscoD has lots of incomplete tasks this time :/
16:09:46 <MeWjOr> #info LoKoMurdoK file ticket with Mindshare requesting some NeuroFedora swag --- waiting for a reply from mindshare
16:10:08 <MeWjOr> #info FranciscoD ask bt0 alciregi if they know how badges are to be given out manually --- In progress?
16:10:33 <FranciscoD> no, we know now
16:10:54 <MeWjOr> Ahh...
16:10:57 <MeWjOr> #undo
16:10:57 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by MeWjOr at 16:10:08 : FranciscoD ask bt0 alciregi if they know how badges are to be given out manually --- In progress?
16:11:06 <FranciscoD> #info Once the badge has been imported to badges, I'll be able to award them:
16:11:12 <MeWjOr> #info FranciscoD ask bt0 alciregi if they know how badges are to be given out manually --- Done.
16:11:19 <MeWjOr> #info LoKoMurdoK comment on the ticket thanking riecatnor and asking what needs to be next: how do we give the badges out, manually to start with. --- done. Waiting for the badges team to push the badge online
16:11:55 <MeWjOr> #info Everyone look for nice brain images with a CC license for the banner image --- let's do this over this week?
16:12:00 <FranciscoD> also, we have a few +1s on the swag ticket. Needs a ping
16:12:08 <MeWjOr> yep...
16:12:12 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: yes, that one is still pending, please -reassing
16:12:16 <MeWjOr> I'll ping there..
16:12:22 <FranciscoD> er s/reassing/reassign/ XD
16:12:35 <MeWjOr> #action MeWjOr ping on the mindshare ticket for swag
16:12:43 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: probably better to action lbazan to do it, since it's his request?
16:12:55 <MeWjOr> #action Everyone look for nice brain images with a CC license for the banner image
16:13:26 <MeWjOr> umm... how do I undo that action?
16:13:33 <MeWjOr> #undo 2
16:13:33 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by MeWjOr at 16:12:55 : Everyone look for nice brain images with a CC license for the banner image
16:13:38 <MeWjOr> #undo
16:13:38 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by MeWjOr at 16:12:35 : MeWjOr ping on the mindshare ticket for swag
16:13:44 <FranciscoD> ah, a stack
16:13:47 * FranciscoD didn't know that
16:13:48 <MeWjOr> #action lbazan ping on the mindshare ticket for swag
16:13:52 <MeWjOr> #action Everyone look for nice brain images with a CC license for the banner image
16:14:01 <MeWjOr> Lol
16:14:17 <MeWjOr> #info FranciscoD take care of all the other tickets this week --- I'll help you with this....
16:14:25 <gicmo> heh
16:14:52 <MeWjOr> #action FranciscoD, MeWjOr take care of all the other tickets this week
16:15:15 <FranciscoD> yeh, suitably vague task XD
16:15:16 <MeWjOr> #info FranciscoD write abstract for CNS*2020 this week also --- did you write it?
16:15:28 <FranciscoD> have a draft, but not ready to send out yet
16:15:34 <MeWjOr> suitable for me... :P
16:15:43 <FranciscoD> had to prioritise the gsoc proposal etc
16:15:53 <FranciscoD> please re-assign, hopefully will get it done this week
16:16:00 <MeWjOr> #action FranciscoD finalize the draft of the abstract for CNS*2020 this week also
16:16:30 <MeWjOr> #info FranciscoD add some packaging tickets to kanban for folks to test out --- You added the FTBFS bugs, so great
16:16:45 <MeWjOr> #info FranciscoD send a list of FTBFS bugs to ML --- done. ^.^
16:16:51 <FranciscoD> Oo, abstract submission closes on 4th Jan, This is high priority now, yikes
16:17:02 <MeWjOr> 4th jan?
16:17:10 <MeWjOr> March, you mean?
16:17:31 <MeWjOr> #info FranciscoD send out logs, update tickets --- done.
16:17:43 <FranciscoD> yeh, march
16:17:56 <FranciscoD> my brain's gone for a walk, sorry
16:18:13 <MeWjOr> :P
16:18:17 <MeWjOr> moving on...
16:18:55 <dan1mal> I posted some links with brain images, maybe ill pull some and make mock banners?
16:19:39 <MeWjOr> I was thinking that we will use a single image - as it is - for the banner?
16:19:51 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: I think if we give the image we choose to the websites team, they'll be able to "bannerify"
16:20:17 <FranciscoD> since they'll crop it etc and add css and all that
16:21:04 <MeWjOr> #Topic Pagure tickets
16:21:14 <MeWjOr> #info
16:21:29 <MeWjOr> The first issue is...
16:21:39 <MeWjOr> LinkedIn Group Research
16:21:53 <MeWjOr> #info LinkedIn Group Research
16:21:57 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: it'll come in issues, let's discuss it then :)
16:22:03 * FranciscoD looks at the images in the meantime
16:22:23 <dan1mal> Its real easy to make a group, if we get a few ppl to join up and start inviting people in the field i think it might gain traction
16:22:43 <dan1mal> also it could be useful to add a link to our SIG page, if thats something we wanted to do.
16:22:57 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: sure, can you please create the group and we'll all join it
16:23:02 <MeWjOr> I think this is a great idea... It would definitely help in the promotion of the group
16:23:06 <FranciscoD> +1
16:23:22 <FranciscoD> adding to docs is easy, and we can also add it to the blog header with the other social links
16:23:28 <dan1mal> when I search for neurofedora on linked in only one person came up morgan hugh
16:23:30 <dan1mal> hough
16:23:43 <FranciscoD> yeh, that's from the previous iteration XD
16:23:51 <MeWjOr> I too was wondering of a Twitter account for the same... but that's for some other time, I believe...
16:23:57 <dan1mal> but neuro science comes up with a lot of people/schools/organizations and articles
16:24:16 <dan1mal> Its not actually a group, its a hit on his personal linked in - because he mentions it
16:24:28 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: let's wait a bit for twitter: a passive twitter account isn't good, and we don't have enough domain folks to tweet constantly
16:24:35 <dan1mal> I can make a group and perhaps post the link on the pagure post and we can start joining
16:24:43 <MeWjOr> so, dan1mal do I assign/action it to you?
16:24:51 <FranciscoD> labs and organisations hire people to manage their social media, so marketing requires resources to be put aside for it :/
16:24:55 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: +1
16:25:07 <dan1mal> create group, post group link.
16:25:29 <MeWjOr> #action dan1mal create the LinkedIn group and  post it on the ticket.
16:25:31 <dan1mal> I can populate the info page from our SIG info page and add links to our important resources (pagure, irc/telegram/meeting times)
16:26:05 <dan1mal> also our lab once its up
16:26:19 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: +1: neuro.fp.o and neuroblog.fp.o would be sufficient
16:26:27 <FranciscoD> that way, we don't have to keep multiple pages up to date
16:26:42 <dan1mal> ok, will do!
16:26:45 <FranciscoD> keep docs + blog up to date as primary sources of info, and link everything to them
16:27:12 <FranciscoD> 👏
16:27:15 <MeWjOr> great
16:27:41 <MeWjOr> #info Once the group is active, we will have to add it to neuro.fp.o as well
16:28:04 <FranciscoD> neuro{,blog}.fp.o
16:28:36 <MeWjOr> #undo
16:28:36 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by MeWjOr at 16:27:41 : Once the group is active, we will have to add it to neuro.fp.o as well
16:28:45 <MeWjOr> #info Once the group is active, we will have to add it to neuro{,blog}.fp.o as well
16:28:58 <MeWjOr> next issue then?
16:29:04 <FranciscoD> issue++
16:29:13 <MeWjOr> Next issue is:
16:29:27 <MeWjOr> #info Estimating team resources:
16:29:55 <FranciscoD> That totals up to about 12--16 hours per week
16:30:07 <FranciscoD> for the whole team, at the moment. Which isn't a lot tbh
16:30:22 <FranciscoD> So, our tasks and plans must be made so that they can be done in this time
16:30:45 <MeWjOr> ++
16:30:47 <FranciscoD> Matching people to their skills is also something we'll have to do. For instance, at the moment only MeWjOr and I are doing a majority of the packging
16:31:02 <FranciscoD> but that'll improve as we get more folks involved, and more of them learn packaging and other skills
16:31:05 <dan1mal> Are there any estimate of how many activities we have that need to be done all the time, and those that are optional?
16:31:28 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: unfortunately, no. A lot of our tasks are "on-demand"
16:31:40 <FranciscoD> I guess writing a blog post per fortnight could be a "periodic" task, for example
16:32:04 <FranciscoD> but most of the software tasks come in spurts: as you've seen from the compose issues
16:32:07 <dan1mal> Yeah, I'm sure its a lot of keeping up with new stuff coming down the pipeline
16:32:12 <FranciscoD> +1
16:32:32 <FranciscoD> Are there any other tasks than "write the blog update" that can be periodic?
16:32:43 <tg-fedneuro3> <b​t0dotninja> +1
16:33:38 <MeWjOr> I cannot think of anything else that can be periodic
16:33:58 <MeWjOr> I agree that most work done by us is usually on-demand, or packaging related
16:34:02 <FranciscoD> hrm, yeh, neither can I
16:34:24 <FranciscoD> Do we have a way to ensure that a blog post goes out every 2 weeks at least?
16:34:49 <FranciscoD> Something like the CPE team's updates:
16:35:08 <FranciscoD> only, on our blog instead of the ML (or both if that's doable)
16:36:01 <FranciscoD> We could advertise for a "project update wrangler"
16:36:13 <FranciscoD> Someone that pokes the team to provide updates that will go into the post every two weeks?
16:36:37 <FranciscoD> keep us on our toes, ensure that we at least put out a blog post every 2 weeks as part of outreach/marketing?
16:37:21 <MeWjOr> I am not sure where would we advertise for the position, though?
16:37:42 <FranciscoD> oh, the blog and the MLs
16:38:10 <FranciscoD>
16:38:13 <FranciscoD> like that
16:38:20 <MeWjOr> ohh...
16:38:29 <FranciscoD> isn't that what got you interested dan1mal ?
16:38:43 <dan1mal> Actually yes
16:38:58 <FranciscoD> yay, 100% return on that post XD
16:39:01 <FranciscoD> very rare
16:39:04 <FranciscoD> dan1mal++
16:39:05 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Karma for dan1mal changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):
16:39:06 <FranciscoD> .thank dan1mal
16:39:11 <zodbot> FranciscoD thinks dan1mal is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please also type dan1mal++ since that is what gives them a cookie)
16:39:21 <MeWjOr> ohh... lol
16:39:25 <dan1mal> Definitely draws people who might not be involved yet in.  We need more ppl that arent necessary CS or neuroscience majors
16:39:31 <FranciscoD> +1
16:39:41 <dan1mal> thank you! thankyoU! :)
16:39:47 <FranciscoD> and we definitely need folks who know some marketing :)
16:40:24 <dan1mal> It would be interesting to see if after the spin page comes out, maybe we could get some coverage in a neuroscience/science magazine.
16:40:42 <MeWjOr> I guess we can discuss this topic in the open floor, as well... Let's move on further with the rest of the issues?
16:40:48 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr++
16:40:58 <dan1mal> Mewj0r++
16:41:09 <MeWjOr> all right... moving on
16:41:10 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: as soon as I submit my PhD dissertation, I intend to write a paper on NeuroFedora
16:41:10 <dan1mal> Keep us on track! :)
16:41:36 <MeWjOr> #info Use (Taiga) kanban board for better planning ---
16:41:39 <dan1mal> How far along are you?  Those are years long projects arent they?  For phDs
16:42:12 <MeWjOr> we had been using it, and it definitely has a better interface as compared to bugzilla (for monitoring the status of tickets)
16:42:30 <FranciscoD> yeh, but let's close it and leave folks free to organise their tasks as they wish for the time being.
16:42:46 <MeWjOr> yep... I too was going to say that.. :P
16:43:01 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: I'm writing up, will submit next month. Been > 5 years now 🤯
16:43:37 <MeWjOr> #info The next issues are for the comp-neuro lab... Featured apps, banner images, screenshots, summary and content
16:43:37 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: +1 to close then
16:43:57 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: let's look at the banner first?
16:44:15 <FranciscoD> I really like this one:
16:44:39 <FranciscoD> and this gets my second vote:
16:45:27 <FranciscoD> along with but I'm not sure how this will look as a rectangular banner 🤔
16:45:31 <dan1mal> Wow!  Coming to fruition!  Congratulations! 🙌🏼
16:46:01 <MeWjOr> ach,,, piqsels is loading slowly for me...
16:46:10 <FranciscoD> they're quite huge images :)
16:46:21 <dan1mal> yeah, its quite slow.
16:46:24 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: thanks! :D
16:46:53 <MeWjOr> anyways, can you comment these images on the ticket? It would be great to evaluate the available options on a single screen
16:48:36 <FranciscoD> doing so now
16:48:45 <fm-neuro> pagure.issue.edit -- major edited the close_status and status fields of ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#336
16:48:46 <fm-neuro> pagure.issue.comment.added -- major commented on ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#336: "Use (Taiga) kanban board for better planning"
16:48:50 <MeWjOr> ahh... great
16:48:58 <MeWjOr> I'll try to look some more as well
16:49:22 <MeWjOr> The next ticket is about FOSDEM
16:49:24 <MeWjOr> #info
16:50:41 <MeWjOr> I'll try to make some amends to the report and notify people here too... I am also moving to a platform which supports RSS... My current site would require a bit more work for that
16:51:06 <MeWjOr> Next ticket:
16:51:18 <MeWjOr> #info Figure out badges rule to award badge automatically to pagure group members:
16:51:19 <fm-neuro> pagure.issue.comment.added -- ankursinha commented on ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#330: "Banner Image for the lab webpage."
16:51:44 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: let's put this one off for a few weeks. Once I can give the badges manually, we'll work on automation
16:51:55 <FranciscoD> I suggest we tag it as "future meeting" and come back to it later
16:52:11 <MeWjOr> All right... let's look it up later then
16:52:19 <fm-neuro> pagure.issue.tag.added -- major tagged ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#250: S: Future meeting
16:52:20 <fm-neuro> pagure.issue.tag.removed -- major removed the S: Next meeting tags from ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#250
16:52:28 <MeWjOr> great, next topic then...
16:52:39 <MeWjOr> #topic Open bugs
16:52:50 <MeWjOr> #info Open bugs:
16:53:14 <dan1mal> The one that is holding up neuro fedora in the f32?33? rawhide build
16:53:44 <MeWjOr> FTBFS?
16:53:50 <FranciscoD> paraview iirc
16:53:52 <FranciscoD> let me look
16:54:22 <FranciscoD> A bug has been filed:
16:54:26 <FranciscoD> not fixed yet
16:54:34 <FranciscoD>
16:54:52 <FranciscoD> Since paraview is an extra analysis tool, I was wondering if we should drop it from the ISO for the time being?
16:54:59 <FranciscoD> it isn't a featured app either
16:55:07 <FranciscoD> and folks can install it from the repositories if they need to anyway
16:55:35 <dan1mal> If it fails to build for rawhide, wont that mean it wont build when people try to install later? (on f32)
16:55:50 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: well, the maintainers will have time to fix it
16:55:58 <FranciscoD> the compose on the other hand needs to pass much before release
16:56:12 <dan1mal> I think that dropping would be a reasonable course of action.
16:56:20 <MeWjOr> +1
16:56:27 <dan1mal> +1
16:56:32 <FranciscoD> it isn't one of our packages either, so we've got to wait for the maintainer
16:56:40 <FranciscoD> we can look into it, but we have quite a lot on our plates already
16:56:46 <FranciscoD> +1 to drop also
16:57:15 <MeWjOr> great then
16:57:17 <FranciscoD> oo, we get to use the zodbot agreed command?
16:57:25 <MeWjOr> #agree?
16:57:30 <MeWjOr> #agree
16:57:33 <MeWjOr> #agreed
16:57:35 <MeWjOr> ach
16:57:38 <FranciscoD> followed by what we agreed on
16:57:49 <FranciscoD> I think
16:57:51 <MeWjOr> #agreed Drop paraview from the image
16:57:55 <MeWjOr> #agree Drop paraview from the image
16:58:08 <FranciscoD> -> agreed <info>
16:58:10 <FranciscoD> nice
16:58:16 <MeWjOr> #info We agree on drop[ing paraview from the image
16:58:21 <MeWjOr> #undo
16:58:21 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by MeWjOr at 16:58:16 : We agree on drop[ing paraview from the image
16:58:24 <FranciscoD> XD
16:58:38 <MeWjOr> #info We agree on dropping paraview from the image
16:58:43 <MeWjOr> better
16:59:03 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: would you make a PR on this repo to remove it?
16:59:17 <FranciscoD> chance to practice some git, and I'll be online to help if you need it?
16:59:37 <MeWjOr> we*
16:59:37 <dan1mal> Ok sounds good
16:59:48 <MeWjOr> great
17:00:12 <MeWjOr> #action dan1mal Make a PR on fedora-kickstarts to remove paraview from the image
17:00:29 <MeWjOr> Any other important bugs?
17:00:44 <FranciscoD> nothing urgent iirc
17:00:51 <FranciscoD> we're doing OK with the FTBFS bugs mostly
17:00:57 <FranciscoD>
17:01:02 <FranciscoD> got only a few left
17:01:03 <MeWjOr> I only see a few Py3.9 failures... I can pick them up in the future
17:01:14 <MeWjOr> Yep
17:01:21 <FranciscoD> +1, we'll move on to them once the FTBFS ones are sort of done
17:01:30 <MeWjOr> great
17:01:37 <MeWjOr> moving on...
17:01:44 <FranciscoD> #info FTBFS bugs are in control:
17:02:12 <MeWjOr> Do we have time for the neuroscience query of the week (NQoW)?
17:02:29 <FranciscoD> Not really, we've over time, let's skip it this time
17:02:32 <MeWjOr> yep
17:02:42 <FranciscoD> NQoW++
17:02:50 <MeWjOr> #topic Next meeting --- Time and Chair
17:02:53 <MeWjOr> :P
17:02:56 <FranciscoD> in 2 weeks?
17:02:58 <FranciscoD> same time
17:03:00 <FranciscoD> ?
17:03:00 <MeWjOr> +1
17:03:03 <dan1mal> +1
17:03:13 <MeWjOr> dan1mal, would you like to chair this time?
17:03:32 <dan1mal> 🙂 ok
17:03:36 <FranciscoD> yay!
17:03:44 <dan1mal> Lol, its like pressure, like a job interview
17:03:47 <MeWjOr> great
17:03:50 <MeWjOr> :P
17:03:52 <FranciscoD> haha, no, no pressure at all :)
17:04:03 <FranciscoD> do whatever you're comfortable with
17:04:12 <MeWjOr> #action dan1mal will chair the next meeting
17:04:13 <FranciscoD> we'll just keep poking to see if you want to do something new ;)
17:04:14 <dan1mal> Hehe, thats what they say about job interviews, just be yourself...guess I need the practice!
17:04:35 <MeWjOr> #info next meeting will take place on 10th March 2020, same time (1600 UTC)
17:04:53 <MeWjOr> I guess this concludes this meeting
17:05:00 <MeWjOr> #endmeeting