16:04:30 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting NeuroFedora - 2020-02-11
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16:04:37 <FranciscoD> #meetingname neurofedora
16:04:38 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'neurofedora'
16:05:00 <FranciscoD> #chair MeWjOr dan1mal gicmo zbyszek bt0 blackfile alciregi
16:05:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr alciregi blackfile bt0 dan1mal gicmo zbyszek
16:05:03 <blackfile> .fas blackfile
16:05:04 <zodbot> blackfile: blackfile 'Luis Manuel Segundo' <>
16:05:20 <gicmo> .fas gicmo
16:05:21 <zodbot> gicmo: magicmole 'Sunethra Dahanayake' <> - magicmonkeyman 'Allan Leitner' <> - gicmo 'Christian Kellner' <>
16:05:43 <gicmo> heh, that confused me for a second
16:05:44 <FranciscoD> hrm, lists.fp.o is verryyy slow
16:06:11 <FranciscoD> #info Agenda for today:
16:06:31 <FranciscoD> #topic Introductions/Roll call
16:06:39 <FranciscoD> .fasinfo gicmo
16:06:40 <zodbot> FranciscoD: User: gicmo, Name: Christian Kellner, email:, Creation: 2017-01-09, IRC Nick: gicmo, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
16:06:42 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Approved Groups: +neuro-sig fedorabugs packager cla_done cla_fpca
16:06:43 <FranciscoD> .fasinfo blackfile
16:06:46 <zodbot> FranciscoD: User: blackfile, Name: Luis Manuel Segundo, email:, Creation: 2011-06-18, IRC Nick: blackfile, Timezone: America/Panama, Locale: es, GPG key ID: 30B289E8, Status: active
16:06:49 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Approved Groups: neuro-sig fedorabugs packager ambassadors fedora-pa cla_fpca cla_done
16:06:49 <FranciscoD> .fasinfo ankursinha
16:06:51 <FranciscoD> .fasinfo major
16:06:51 <zodbot> FranciscoD: User: ankursinha, Name: Ankur Sinha, email:, Creation: 2008-05-28, IRC Nick: FranciscoD, Timezone: Europe/London, Locale: en_GB, GPG key ID: E629112D, Status: active
16:06:55 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Approved Groups: @scitech_sig @wikiedit provenpackager +packager robotics-sig @ask-fedora scitech @neuro-sig @fedora-join cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs @freemedia @gitfedora-tour cla_fpca @gitfpaste +qa
16:06:56 <FranciscoD> .fasinfo lbazan
16:06:57 <MeWjOr> Hey!
16:06:58 <zodbot> FranciscoD: User: major, Name: Aniket Pradhan, email:, Creation: 2019-02-09, IRC Nick: MeWjOr, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
16:07:01 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Approved Groups: qa neuro-sig fedorabugs packager wikiedit cla_done cla_fpca
16:07:03 <FranciscoD> .fasinfo dan1mal
16:07:04 <zodbot> FranciscoD: User: lbazan, Name: Luis Enrique Bazán De León, email:, Creation: 2011-04-19, IRC Nick: LoKoMurdoK, Timezone: America/Panama, Locale: es, GPG key ID: 50ED87E8, Status: active
16:07:07 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Unapproved Groups: python-sig
16:07:10 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Approved Groups: +neuro-sig +packager icaroproject @fedora-py cvsl10n bzrpython-fedora sysadmin-logs @fedora-pa sysadmin-noc bodhiadmin fedorabugs cla_fedora cla_done cla_fpca sysadmin campusambassadors gitfas triagers @fedora-mx +ambassadors @fedora-ec @fedora-ar @fudcon @fedora-cl
16:07:14 <zodbot> FranciscoD: User: dan1mal, Name: Danny Lee, email:, Creation: 2019-07-29, IRC Nick: dan1mal, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: B2D41DBDBC0206EA, Status: active
16:07:17 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Approved Groups: neuro-sig packager fedorabugs qa cla_done cla_fpca
16:07:23 <FranciscoD> Anyone else around? :)
16:08:22 <FranciscoD> OK, next topic
16:08:30 <FranciscoD> #topic Tasks from last meeting
16:08:43 <FranciscoD> #info First meeting of 2020, no pending tasks from last meeting this time
16:08:50 <FranciscoD> #topic Pagure tickets
16:09:13 <FranciscoD> #info Issues - neuro-sig/NeuroFedora - -
16:09:35 <FranciscoD> #info Issue #307: NeuroFedora at FOSDEM 2020. - NeuroFedora -
16:09:42 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: is your blog post/report up yet?
16:10:00 <MeWjOr> Oh no... I was not able to write it this week
16:10:08 <MeWjOr> I'll try to write it by this weekend...
16:10:23 <FranciscoD> OK, You need to submit an event report to Mindshare also anyway
16:10:34 <FranciscoD> #info Issue #166: FOSDEM 2020 - Funding request - mindshare -
16:10:37 <dan1mal> Didnt see this video of the pitch yet!  on my todo!
16:11:00 <FranciscoD> #action MeWjOr write event report, send to ML, submit to Mindshare
16:11:10 <MeWjOr> ahh...yes.. Will try to do it by this week(end)
16:11:21 <FranciscoD> #info Video of MeWjOr 's talk at FOSDEM is here:
16:11:49 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: please close the ticket when you've written it up :)
16:12:20 <MeWjOr> Yep
16:12:39 <FranciscoD> Anything else here, from the others that may have attended FOSDEM?
16:12:43 <MeWjOr> I also have some points to discuss which came up during FOSDEM
16:12:56 <gicmo> FOSDEM was great ;)
16:13:10 <MeWjOr> so.. should I do that right now? Or later on?
16:13:10 <FranciscoD> Would you send them to the ML, MeWjOr : that lets people take their time to think about stuff
16:13:19 <MeWjOr> ahh... sure then
16:13:29 <MeWjOr> gicmo: +1
16:13:34 <FranciscoD> #action MeWjOr e-mail ML with other discussion points that came up during FOSDEM
16:13:53 <FranciscoD> What did folks at FOSDEM think of neurofedora in general?
16:14:12 <FranciscoD> We know some folks liked it: MeWjOr has a talk for eLife, for example.
16:14:13 <gicmo> I want a one of those "Heavy Metadata" shirts ;P
16:14:20 <FranciscoD> XD
16:14:58 <gicmo> I thought the Open Research Tools and Technologies devroom was very good
16:15:05 <MeWjOr> FOSDEM people loved the idea... no one exactly wants to go through the pain of building heavy neuroscience software
16:15:17 <gicmo> interesting mix of people and topics
16:15:19 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr +1, gicmo +1
16:15:34 <FranciscoD> so, we do have a target audience: that's good to know
16:15:46 * MeWjOr wonders if we can host such a devroom next fosdem?
16:15:51 <FranciscoD> did folks indicate they may want to help?
16:16:01 <dan1mal> gicmo +1, MeWjOr +1
16:16:02 <LoKoMurdoK> .fas lbazan
16:16:03 <zodbot> LoKoMurdoK: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' <>
16:16:29 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: organising this sort of thing takes quite a lot of effort, so it'll depend on how we are doing resources wise
16:16:32 * LoKoMurdoK here
16:16:35 <FranciscoD> #chair LoKoMurdoK
16:16:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD LoKoMurdoK MeWjOr alciregi blackfile bt0 dan1mal gicmo zbyszek
16:16:47 <MeWjOr> some folks did approach me... asking about the group and links... they said they can help in packaging and testing..
16:16:55 <FranciscoD> aha, nice
16:16:58 <gicmo> FranciscoD: yeah, I once co-organized the "Hardware Enablement" dev room, quite a bit of work
16:17:07 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: anyone in touch yet?
16:17:09 <gicmo> but we could maybe join the Open Research Tools one
16:17:17 <MeWjOr> nope.. :( not yet..
16:17:21 <FranciscoD> gicmo: yeh, joining/co-organising is a lot easier
16:17:33 <FranciscoD> especially if we're not based at the conf venue
16:17:55 <MeWjOr> I should have taken their contact ids as well...
16:18:09 <FranciscoD> I carry the Fedora business cards and give them around XD
16:18:23 <MeWjOr> FranciscoD: SAME! They are great
16:18:29 <FranciscoD> how about the stickers, did folks take them?
16:18:34 <FranciscoD> that would help get the word out too
16:19:37 <MeWjOr> Yep... Many took it... I also took a small batch back home (to distribute in any local meetup) and the rest are with the mindshare people... they often go on such conferences and they would deliver out the remaining ones
16:19:57 <FranciscoD> Awesome, sounds good
16:20:18 <LoKoMurdoK> Can I create a ticket to request neuro swap (stickers, etc)?, I can pay the shipping....
16:20:21 <FranciscoD> OK, so in general, FOSDEM was good. I'm glad we managed to get MeWjOr to go reprsent us :)
16:20:30 <LoKoMurdoK> in mindshare...
16:20:54 <FranciscoD> LoKoMurdoK: yes, of course---Stickermule generally does really good offers. The total price is generally quite low too.
16:21:01 <MeWjOr> Thanks team... It was a great experience... :D
16:21:19 <FranciscoD> If mindshare don't have the money, let me know. I must have some lying around at home I can send over.
16:21:55 <FranciscoD> #action LoKoMurdoK file ticket with Mindshare requesting some NeuroFedora swag
16:22:05 <LoKoMurdoK> I can pay if mindshare don't have money
16:22:07 <LoKoMurdoK> np
16:22:10 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD see if they have some NeuroFedora stickers left over too
16:22:25 <FranciscoD> LoKoMurdoK: yeh, let's see and we can plan accordingly :)
16:22:30 <FranciscoD> OK, more fun tickets then
16:22:50 <LoKoMurdoK> jejeje swap*** -> swag
16:23:02 <MeWjOr> lol
16:23:05 <LoKoMurdoK> xD
16:23:13 <LoKoMurdoK> I have other question
16:23:21 <FranciscoD> Go on :)
16:23:26 <LoKoMurdoK> what is the next step of the neuro badge
16:23:38 <LoKoMurdoK> is approved!
16:23:43 <LoKoMurdoK> ?
16:23:48 <LoKoMurdoK>
16:24:30 <FranciscoD> AH! Finally!!
16:24:51 <FranciscoD> LoKoMurdoK: could you comment on the ticket thanking riecatnor and asking what needs to be next: how do we give the badges out, manually to start with?
16:25:19 <FranciscoD> and then we can look into automating that:
16:25:58 <fm-neuro> pagure.issue.tag.added -- ankursinha tagged ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#250: S: Next meeting
16:25:59 <fm-neuro> pagure.issue.tag.removed -- ankursinha removed the S: Future meeting tags from ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#250
16:26:00 <fm-neuro> pagure.issue.comment.added -- ankursinha commented on ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#250: "Figure out badges rule to award badge automatically to pagure group members"
16:26:20 <FranciscoD> I think bt0 or alciregi know how to give badges manually. I can ask them too
16:26:40 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD ask bt0 alciregi if they know how badges are to be given out manually
16:26:42 <gicmo> badges badges badges
16:26:59 <gicmo> /o/ \o\ \o/
16:27:43 <FranciscoD> LoKoMurdoK: do these next steps sound OK? :)
16:27:44 <LoKoMurdoK> hehehehehe
16:27:58 <LoKoMurdoK> yes np
16:28:01 <FranciscoD> awesome
16:28:23 <FranciscoD> #action LoKoMurdoK comment on the ticket thanking riecatnor and asking what needs to be next: how do we give the badges out, manually to start with.
16:28:38 <FranciscoD> OK, the next set of tickets are related to the CompNeuro Image:
16:29:12 <FranciscoD> #info Issue #327: Content for Comp Neuro Lab on labs.fp.o - NeuroFedora - :
16:29:36 <FranciscoD> this depends on 4 tickets: summary text, screenshots, cover image, featured applications
16:30:14 <FranciscoD> Take a look at the astronomy lab page for an idea of what we need:
16:30:38 <FranciscoD> the cover image needs to be something with brains---I can look for something
16:31:21 <MeWjOr> I could take a few issues for the computation neuroscience lab
16:31:57 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: I was thinking I could do them---I have some nice pictures from simulations etc for the screenshots too
16:32:08 <MeWjOr> ahh... okay then
16:32:22 <dan1mal> I can help with any minor editing/resizing on photos
16:32:32 <FranciscoD> and I have to write the CNS abstract, so I'll basically "adapt" that for our summary XD
16:32:51 <FranciscoD> OK---can everyone look for some nice brain images with a CC license for the cover image?
16:33:12 <FranciscoD> #action Everyone look for nice brain images with a CC license for the cover image
16:33:17 <MeWjOr> alright...
16:33:22 <LoKoMurdoK> banner image?
16:33:38 <FranciscoD> Yes, sorry
16:33:39 <dan1mal> ok!
16:33:40 <FranciscoD> #undo
16:33:40 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by FranciscoD at 16:33:12 : Everyone look for nice brain images with a CC license for the cover image
16:33:46 <FranciscoD> #action Everyone look for nice brain images with a CC license for the banner image
16:34:10 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD take care of all the other tickets this week
16:34:37 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD write abstract for CNS*2020 this week also
16:34:47 <dan1mal> Is there any chance that school neuro research organizations might have some real images we could use?
16:35:20 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: yeh, I'll ask our collaborators. They generally publish some sets publicly for reuse in magazines etc.
16:35:23 <LoKoMurdoK>  <- something like this?
16:35:55 <FranciscoD> LoKoMurdoK: yeh, that can be a candidate if it's available under the right license
16:36:02 <FranciscoD> it must be CC
16:36:06 <dan1mal> Has neurofedora ever had a clip art section for neuro related images?  :)
16:36:29 <FranciscoD> not yet---not enough neuro people in neurofedora at the moment XD
16:36:46 <FranciscoD> certainly not enough experimentalists who'd have all these nice pics
16:37:26 <FranciscoD> This is the comp-neuro lab, though, so some nice images of models might be nice
16:37:37 <FranciscoD> for the neuroimaging once, stuff from fMRI etc would fit
16:37:56 <MeWjOr> I was looking for fancy neuron pictures... thought that would do the trick
16:37:59 <FranciscoD> try this, for example:
16:37:59 <dan1mal> There must be some researchers who are sitting on a ton of images
16:38:19 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: lots of them: nowadays researchers are struggling with the amount of data they have
16:38:33 <tg-fedneuro> <L​oKoMurdoK> please invite to the channel @tatica
16:38:42 <tg-fedneuro> <L​oKoMurdoK> let me invite 1 sec
16:38:49 <FranciscoD>
16:38:53 <tg-fedneuro> <L​oKoMurdoK> she can help with the banner images
16:39:07 <FranciscoD> awesome---let's do this asynchronously though.
16:39:20 <FranciscoD> Please comment on the ticket with links/images, and we can then see which works best
16:39:28 <tg-fedneuro> Tatica (@T​atica) has joined the Telegram Group!
16:39:36 <tg-fedneuro> <L​oKoMurdoK> @Tatica ping
16:39:44 <tg-fedneuro> <L​oKoMurdoK> Hello good morning!
16:39:52 <MeWjOr> Oh hey Tatica!
16:40:04 <dan1mal> FranciscoD - what do they use for storage?  AWS type cloud based or local storage?  It must get expensive to archive/maintain.
16:40:26 <LoKoMurdoK> FranciscoD can you create a ticket for the banner? or you have a ticket?
16:40:29 <LoKoMurdoK> :-)
16:40:32 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: no, generally shared storage servers with beegfs etc
16:40:39 <FranciscoD> LoKoMurdoK:
16:40:48 <fm-neuro> pagure.issue.edit -- ankursinha edited the title fields of ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#330
16:41:02 <tg-fedneuro> <L​oKoMurdoK> @Tatica
16:41:04 <tg-fedneuro> <L​oKoMurdoK> 😊
16:41:29 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: and, the astrophysics folks, who get tonnes of data from the various telescopes (Hubble and gang) find it cheaper + quicker to send hard disks around than to transfer through the web XD
16:41:45 <MeWjOr> whoa!
16:42:17 <FranciscoD> Yeh, proper "Big data" issues :)
16:42:33 <fm-neuro> pagure.issue.tag.removed -- lbazan removed the D: Easy tags from ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#330
16:42:46 <FranciscoD> Last ticket
16:42:54 <FranciscoD> #info Issue #336: Use (Taiga) kanban board for better planning - NeuroFedora - :
16:42:59 <FranciscoD> what do folks think about this?
16:43:16 <FranciscoD> #info test kanban:
16:43:42 <FranciscoD> do people want to use these agile methods/framworks?
16:43:54 <FranciscoD> do we want do do 2-3 week sprints, for example?
16:44:08 <FranciscoD> or are we OK the way we work now: take up tickets when you have time
16:44:31 <MeWjOr> kanban sounds like additional work... but would help keeping track of things
16:45:23 <LoKoMurdoK> +1 MeWjOr
16:45:28 <MeWjOr> because I (personally) always forget to update status on the pagure tickets, and I believe I would forget to do that on kanban as well
16:45:36 <FranciscoD> Yeh, moving everything over isn't worth it
16:45:52 <MeWjOr> :P
16:45:57 <FranciscoD> I was thinking of more like: pick up a few tickets that we'll work on next, only transfer them to the kanban board
16:46:01 <LoKoMurdoK> pagure +1 kanban 0 for me
16:46:03 <LoKoMurdoK> :-)
16:46:18 <MeWjOr> we can have a test-run, as you said...
16:46:37 <MeWjOr> like, for two weeks or a month... if it feels good, we continue using it?
16:46:56 <FranciscoD> hrm, OK, I'll add some tickets to the board, folks can try it out and see what they think
16:47:07 <FranciscoD> our primary tracker will remain pagure for the forseeable future
16:47:28 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD add some packaging tickets to kanban for folks to test out
16:47:39 <fm-neuro> pagure.issue.edit -- major edited the close_status and status fields of ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#291
16:47:40 <fm-neuro> pagure.issue.comment.added -- major commented on ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#291: "Package G-Node/python-odml: odML libraries"
16:47:55 <FranciscoD> #info Pagure tickets remain our main method of work
16:48:16 <FranciscoD> OK, just enough time to take a quick look at bugs
16:48:23 <FranciscoD> #topic Bugzilla review
16:48:38 <FranciscoD> #info NeuroFedora bugs:
16:49:25 <FranciscoD> #info Quite a few FTBFS bugs
16:49:39 <FranciscoD> #info Some Python 3.9 bugs (mostly simple fixes related to abc.collections)
16:50:13 <LoKoMurdoK> I need update some tickets and fix some ftbfs
16:50:20 <FranciscoD> Yeh, same here
16:50:36 <FranciscoD> Should we prioritise FTBFS/update bugs first instead of new packages?
16:50:39 <FranciscoD> Does that sound OK?
16:50:45 <MeWjOr> yep
16:51:11 <MeWjOr> any easy ftbfs bugs that I can take up?
16:51:33 <FranciscoD> OK. I'll send a list of FTBFS/update bugs to the list then
16:51:46 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: odml, fslpy both have simple Py3.9 bug
16:51:50 <FranciscoD> *bugs
16:52:05 <MeWjOr> I'll start looking on nipy... if Igor is not working on them
16:52:16 <FranciscoD> The FTBFS ones are usually simple too, but one has to at least look at the build log  to see what the actual issue is
16:52:30 <FranciscoD> Generally it's because a dependency didn't build, so everything in the dep chain also fails
16:52:41 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: Igor isn't working on any neurofedora packages now
16:52:58 <MeWjOr> Ahh... so, I'll start working on it then
16:53:02 <FranciscoD> #info Igor isn't working on NeuroFedora packages now: please feel free to work on their bugs
16:53:35 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD send a list of FTBFS bugs to ML
16:53:47 <gicmo> I can I can have a look too in a spare minute
16:53:57 <MeWjOr> odml bug is fixed... the fix will be pushed with the next release
16:54:23 <FranciscoD> gicmo: that'd be great :)
16:55:00 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: ah, nice. Please change the bug status to "ASSIGNED" if you're working on it
16:55:20 <FranciscoD> #info Please "take" bugs and change their status to "ASSIGNED" so the team knows you are working on them
16:55:34 <MeWjOr> done
16:55:54 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: ideally, also provide a link to the upstream issue there, in the "Links" bit, if it is a supported system like Github
16:56:12 <FranciscoD> That also helps Miro see that the bug is being worked on etc
16:56:43 <MeWjOr> ahh... okay
16:57:21 <FranciscoD> Yeh, just helps keep the community/team informed of progress
16:57:36 <FranciscoD> OK, aaaa, 3 minutes left!
16:57:43 <FranciscoD> #topic Next meeting/chair
16:57:56 <FranciscoD> Next meeting same time next week, or same time in 2 weeks?
16:58:10 <FranciscoD> (or a different time if this doesn't work?)
16:58:23 <dan1mal> Works for me.
16:58:40 <MeWjOr> Works for me as well..
16:58:53 <FranciscoD> LoKoMurdoK: blackfile  ?
16:58:54 <FranciscoD> gicmo: ?
16:59:10 <gicmo> both ok
16:59:53 <tg-fedneuro> <T​atica> Pong
17:00:42 <FranciscoD> let's do two weeks then
17:00:48 <FranciscoD> anyone want to chair?
17:01:05 <MeWjOr> I can... :D
17:01:12 <FranciscoD> @Tatica: we were hoping you could help us find a nice banner image for the CompNeuro Lab web page :)
17:01:26 <FranciscoD> @Tatica: ,
17:01:32 <tg-fedneuro> <T​atica> Sir yes sir!
17:01:33 <FranciscoD> #info MeWjOr to chair next meeting in 2 weeks time
17:02:14 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD send out logs, update tickets
17:02:17 <MeWjOr> :D
17:02:22 <FranciscoD> Ending the meeting then, we're 2 minutes over :(
17:02:33 <FranciscoD> anything else? Closing in 2 otherwise
17:02:55 <FranciscoD> @Tatica: that would be awesome, thanks very much! If there's any info we can provide to help with it: context etc., please do let us know.
17:03:09 <FranciscoD> We're also going to be looking around, and we'll put links/images on the pagure ticket
17:04:21 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting