15:59:58 <bt0> #startmeeting "NeuroFedora - 2019-11-12"
15:59:58 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Nov 12 15:59:58 2019 UTC.
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16:00:15 <bt0> #meetingname neurofedora
16:00:15 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'neurofedora'
16:00:30 <bt0> #chair MeWjOr mhough FranciscoD alciregi blackfile bt0 zbyszek
16:00:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr alciregi blackfile bt0 mhough zbyszek
16:00:43 <bt0> #topic Introductions and Roll call
16:01:03 <bt0> #info Alberto Rodriguez (bt0dotninja), UTC-5 (America/Mexico-City), CommOps, Marketing, packaging, neurofedora, Fedora-Join
16:01:11 <bt0> .fasinfo bt0dotninja
16:01:12 <zodbot> bt0: User: bt0dotninja, Name: Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez, email: hotgalan@gmail.com, Creation: 2016-07-25, IRC Nick: bt0, Timezone: America/Mexico_City, Locale: en, GPG key ID: E74B5808, Status: active
16:01:15 <zodbot> bt0: Approved Groups: neuro-sig fedorabugs packager +advocates @commops +summer-coding +ask-fedora mindshare +fedora-join @fedora-mx ambassadors dotnet-team marketing cla_done cla_fpca
16:02:03 <FranciscoD> #info Ankur Sinha (ankursinha), UTC (Europe/London), NeuroFedora, packaging, join and lots of other bits :D
16:02:06 <FranciscoD> .fasinfo ankursinha
16:02:07 <zodbot> FranciscoD: User: ankursinha, Name: Ankur Sinha, email: sanjay.ankur@gmail.com, Creation: 2008-05-28, IRC Nick: FranciscoD, Timezone: Europe/London, Locale: en_GB, GPG key ID: E629112D, Status: active
16:02:10 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Approved Groups: @wikiedit provenpackager +packager robotics-sig @ask-fedora scitech @neuro-sig @fedora-join cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs @freemedia @gitfedora-tour cla_fpca @gitfpaste +qa
16:02:26 <MeWjOr> .fasinfo major
16:02:27 <zodbot> MeWjOr: User: major, Name: Aniket Pradhan, email: aniketpradhan1999@gmail.com, Creation: 2019-02-09, IRC Nick: MeWjOr, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
16:02:30 <zodbot> MeWjOr: Approved Groups: qa neuro-sig fedorabugs packager wikiedit cla_done cla_fpca
16:04:15 <gicmo> .fasinfo gicmo
16:04:19 <zodbot> gicmo: User: gicmo, Name: Christian Kellner, email: ckellner@redhat.com, Creation: 2017-01-09, IRC Nick: gicmo, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
16:04:22 <zodbot> gicmo: Approved Groups: +neuro-sig fedorabugs packager cla_done cla_fpca
16:05:49 <bt0> cool
16:07:26 <bt0> #topic Today's agenda
16:09:06 <bt0> #info Tasks from last week's meeting: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-neuro/2019-11-05/neurofedora.2019-11-05-16.03.html
16:09:06 <bt0> #info Pagure tickets: https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issues?status=Open&tags=S%3A+Next+meeting
16:09:07 <bt0> #info Open NeuroFedora bugs: https://tinyurl.com/neurofedora-bugs
16:09:07 <bt0> #info Neuroscience query of the week
16:09:07 <bt0> #info  Next meeting day, and chair.
16:09:09 <bt0> #info Open floor
16:09:32 <bt0> Do you have another point for the agenda
16:09:47 * FranciscoD doesn't
16:11:18 <bt0> ok
16:11:58 <bt0> #topic Tasks from last week's meeting: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-neuro/2019-11-05/neurofedora.2019-11-05-16.03.html
16:12:47 <bt0> we have this one:
16:12:53 <bt0> #info FranciscoD tweak abstract draft for FOSDEM -> MeWjOr is taking a look
16:13:11 <bt0> some comments?
16:13:36 <MeWjOr> I changed some statements.. but it just looks like I paraphrased it a bit... :P
16:13:47 <FranciscoD> that's fine
16:13:56 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: can you send it to the ML so everyone can look?
16:14:08 <MeWjOr> yeah, sure
16:14:39 <FranciscoD> awesome, you're the FOSDEM event owner, so its your responsibility to get everything (including your visa!) done on time :P
16:14:48 <FranciscoD> so feel free to chase people around etc
16:14:57 <FranciscoD> :D
16:15:01 <MeWjOr> Also, I am doing all the edits on a repo on my account... I wasn't sure if I should create a new repo directly on the neurofedora github page
16:15:05 <bt0> right
16:15:25 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: doesn't matter--anywhere will do
16:15:45 <MeWjOr> great... I was thinking we can import it later onto the neuro-fedora account later on as well.
16:15:50 <bt0> sounds great, we need to write down anther action?
16:16:02 <bt0> *another
16:16:23 <MeWjOr> make some updations to the presentation slides, and then ?
16:16:52 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: whenver you prefer really---just share the link so that everyone can have a look and give comments
16:16:55 <FranciscoD> bt0: yes please
16:17:20 <MeWjOr> sure...
16:18:41 <MeWjOr> Should I share a PDF on the ML? For the abstract?
16:18:59 <MeWjOr> Or a view-only or comment-only link to Overleaf?
16:19:00 <bt0> #action major / MeWj0r will update the FOSDEM proposal tt he mailing list
16:19:42 <bt0> what do you think?
16:19:43 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: PDF will do---should be short enough and I doubt there'll be too many comments
16:20:00 <MeWjOr> PDF it is then...
16:20:26 <MeWjOr> Will send it in a few moments then..
16:21:57 <FranciscoD> great
16:22:03 <FranciscoD> bt0: next item :D
16:22:08 <bt0> ok
16:22:44 <bt0> #topic Pagure tickets: https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issues?status=Open&tags=S%3A+Next+meeting
16:25:01 <bt0> #topic #311 Move neuroscience planets to NeuroFedora
16:25:10 <bt0> let me read it quick
16:25:48 <FranciscoD> bt0: this is WIP, not complete yet (and quite low priority), so we can skip it and move to the next one
16:26:03 <bt0> ok, the next one
16:26:20 <bt0> #topic #307 NeuroFedora at FOSDEM 2020.
16:26:57 <bt0> I loved "self-plagiarism is still plagiarism"
16:27:23 <FranciscoD> haha
16:27:23 <MeWjOr> :(
16:27:28 <bt0> This is in a working state by major
16:27:34 <MeWjOr> yep
16:27:55 <bt0> ok, the next ticket or do you have comments?
16:28:17 <MeWjOr> not right now... :/
16:30:23 <bt0> ok
16:30:58 <bt0> #topic Ticket  #301 NeuroFedora brochure
16:31:10 <FranciscoD> Also a WIP
16:32:15 <bt0> ok
16:32:23 <bt0> the last one is:
16:32:50 <bt0> #topic Ticket #250 Figure out badges rule to award badge automatically to pagure group members
16:33:04 <bt0> ON HOLD
16:33:15 <bt0> sorry for the capital case...
16:33:23 <MeWjOr> :P
16:33:36 <FranciscoD> XD
16:37:11 <FranciscoD> still waiting on badges
16:37:21 <FranciscoD> but not much we can do---we'll ping again later, it's relatively low priority
16:37:42 <bt0> umm
16:38:10 <bt0> #topic Open NeuroFedora bugs: https://tinyurl.com/neurofedora-bugs
16:39:34 <bt0> wow, exist some for newbies??
16:39:39 <bt0> like me
16:39:58 <MeWjOr> there are some update bugs...
16:40:15 <MeWjOr> let's see who gets them first... you or me... :P
16:40:16 <FranciscoD> bt0: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1768267 should be quite straightforward
16:40:30 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: do you want to do the fsl ones again?
16:40:39 <FranciscoD> upstream seems to be releasing quite quickly XD
16:40:51 <MeWjOr> Yep.. I can do that
16:40:57 <bt0> cool
16:41:24 <FranciscoD> bt0: please assign that one to yourself and give it a go :)
16:41:36 <FranciscoD> if you're unsure, you can always fork and submit a PR
16:41:43 <bt0> of course
16:41:43 <MeWjOr> FranciscoD where are the reviews you were talking about?
16:41:54 <FranciscoD> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1771068 -> should also be straightforward
16:42:27 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1770582 one maybe? but it's java
16:42:31 <MeWjOr> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1770582 : this is one
16:43:10 <FranciscoD> yeh, that one
16:43:20 <FranciscoD> should be simple enough, but it's a java package
16:43:27 <FranciscoD> I'm not too fond of java either :/
16:43:52 <FranciscoD> #action bt0 work on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1768267 -> update python-fastavro
16:44:03 <bt0> :)
16:44:06 <MeWjOr> Java is like discount C++ ... :P
16:44:09 <FranciscoD> #action MeWjOr work on python-fsl* updates
16:44:22 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: it uses maven to build etc, I had to read up quite a bit of docs to see how it works
16:44:33 <bt0> I love c++ and have bad feeling about Java
16:44:47 <MeWjOr> yep... used maven before... I can peek a look there as well
16:45:12 <FranciscoD> haha, yeh, I don't mind programming in it, but I've never had to use the the ant/maven etc build systems too much
16:45:37 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: how is the editdistance review going? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1769297
16:46:38 <MeWjOr> I made the required changes, as per Elliot... Mainly, I had to delete the cpp file that was being generated from Cython and had to regenerate that in the spec file
16:46:51 <FranciscoD> Ah, OK
16:46:56 <MeWjOr> Waiting for an update, now
16:47:08 <FranciscoD> setup.py calls Cython etc generally---doesn't do it here?
16:47:55 <MeWjOr> It builds the main cpp extension instead of the required cpp files there... so have to explicitly use cythonize in the spec file
16:48:22 <MeWjOr> to build the required cpp, then setup.py builds the main cpp extension from there
16:48:58 <FranciscoD> yeh, they've commented out the cythonise bits: https://github.com/aflc/editdistance/blob/master/setup.py#L24
16:49:03 <FranciscoD> that's fine, not a problem
16:49:16 <MeWjOr> yep... that had me confused for a whole day, lol
16:49:31 <FranciscoD> the things upstreams do XD
16:49:48 <MeWjOr> XD
16:50:18 <FranciscoD> bt0: I think that's all the bugs, next topic? :D
16:50:38 <bt0> ok
16:50:47 <bt0> #topic Neuroscience query of the week
16:52:07 <MeWjOr> does Telekinesis come under NeuroScience?
16:52:08 <FranciscoD> We started this ticket: https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/318
16:52:20 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/318 : our reading/listening list
16:53:13 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: no, there's no evidence of telekinesis as far as I know, so at the moment it isn't science---it's science fiction
16:53:18 <FranciscoD> or "psuedoscience"
16:53:30 <FranciscoD> pseudoscience, rather
16:53:57 <FranciscoD> if anything, it'd be a physics problem first---since it violates the laws of physics
16:54:16 <FranciscoD> *if* it can be reliably observed, maybe neuroscience would see how it is done
16:54:31 <FranciscoD> but yeh, science-fiction at the minute :)
16:54:31 <MeWjOr> using brain waves to control objects, would be rather cool...
16:54:50 <FranciscoD> Yeh, loadsa science fiction based around it
16:55:00 <bt0> right
16:55:02 <FranciscoD> but cool != real, unfortunately  :(
16:55:07 <MeWjOr> but don't we actually use the brain signals to control the body, and then the objects?
16:55:17 <MeWjOr> :(
16:55:26 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: that's not the same thing ;)
16:55:40 <bt0> you can use your brain to control your arm and move objects
16:55:57 <MeWjOr> bt0: exactly...!
16:56:05 <FranciscoD> telekenisis is about doing it without using your arm
16:56:11 <MeWjOr> but, it's not telekinesis...
16:56:16 <bt0> i mean touching the object
16:56:39 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: also, the brain signals don't make the arm move---they tell the muscles what to do
16:56:39 <bt0> still is amazing who it happens
16:56:43 <FranciscoD> the muscles move the arm
16:56:52 <FranciscoD> so it isn't really "the brain moving the arm"
16:56:58 <bt0> *how
16:57:06 <FranciscoD> if the arm didn't have muscle, no amount of brain signals would move it
16:57:18 <FranciscoD> important to be very specific about what does what
16:58:15 <bt0> it true
16:58:23 <bt0> it's true
16:58:39 <MeWjOr> I find the "eye" (cilliary) muscles really awesome though... Like, they perform so much work as compared to any other muscle in the body
16:59:00 <FranciscoD> yeh, saccades are rather important
16:59:11 <FranciscoD> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccade
16:59:35 <MeWjOr> Ahh!
16:59:44 <FranciscoD> are the cilliary muscles the ones on the outside or the ones attached to the lens in the eye?
16:59:47 * FranciscoD doesn't remember
16:59:58 <MeWjOr> attached to the lens
17:00:34 <FranciscoD> also very important
17:00:46 <FranciscoD> as if I had to say that XD
17:01:06 <FranciscoD> Try this post when you have time: https://www.quantamagazine.org/noise-in-the-brains-vision-areas-encodes-body-movements-20191107
17:01:07 <bt0> :)
17:01:24 <MeWjOr> Is there even like a useless muscle in the human body? Almost all of them serve some purpose
17:01:36 <MeWjOr> other than the appendix... I hate it
17:01:54 <FranciscoD> it brings up the interesting idea that what we traditionally think of as "noise" in the brain isn't actually "noise"---it's encoding lots of other things that are all important
17:02:00 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: the appendix isn't a muscle, is it?
17:02:26 <MeWjOr> muscular structure?
17:02:33 <FranciscoD> I think the out ears have muscles that we've evolved to not use now---but some folks can move their ears a bit
17:02:40 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: there's a specific definition for muscle too
17:02:53 <FranciscoD> fleshy != muscle
17:03:03 <FranciscoD> in the sense of what we think of as "fleshy"
17:03:28 <MeWjOr> ohh
17:03:36 <FranciscoD> the appendix is a tube: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appendix_(anatomy)
17:05:40 <bt0> I love the anatomy images
17:05:59 <MeWjOr> I guess that's a lot of anatomy images for me, then...
17:06:35 <bt0> the drawn ones
17:06:56 <FranciscoD> Let's close the meeting, we can talk about all this after
17:07:03 <FranciscoD> (no point of it being logged)
17:07:06 <bt0> #topic Next meeting day, and chair.
17:07:09 <MeWjOr> lol..
17:07:19 <FranciscoD> I may not be able to make the next one, so I won't volunteer
17:07:29 <bt0> me again
17:07:31 * MeWjOr has exams from the next week....
17:07:31 <FranciscoD> I may be visiting a lab, and I don't know when I'll be free
17:07:45 <bt0> this time is fine for me
17:07:50 <FranciscoD> should we cancel next week's meeting if 2/3 of us cannot make it?
17:08:12 <bt0> it's fine
17:08:32 <MeWjOr> I am not sure, if I will hanging around next week...
17:08:53 <MeWjOr> we can decide next week, I guess...
17:09:06 <FranciscoD> Sure
17:09:14 <MeWjOr> maybe take a headcount, and then decide on the spot
17:09:14 <bt0> sure
17:09:21 <FranciscoD> #info May not have a meeting next week: will check later
17:09:24 <FranciscoD> there we go
17:09:28 <MeWjOr> ++
17:09:36 <bt0> #topic Open floor
17:09:40 <fm-neuro> pagure.issue.tag.added -- ankursinha tagged ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#318: S: Next meeting https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/318
17:09:50 <FranciscoD> nothing on the open floor from me
17:09:54 <bt0> any comments
17:10:00 <MeWjOr> nopes...
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17:10:19 <bt0> #endmeeting