18:01:18 <stickster> #startmeeting Fedora Insight -- Agenda https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Meeting_agenda
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18:01:25 <stickster> #meetingname Fedora Insight
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18:01:34 <stickster> #chair rbergeron smooge gwerra
18:01:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: gwerra rbergeron smooge stickster
18:02:01 <stickster> #topic Go-forward plan
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18:02:17 <stickster> #topic Roll call!
18:02:18 <stickster> :-)
18:02:21 * stickster 
18:02:35 <smooge> here
18:02:37 <smooge> ish
18:03:34 <stickster> smooge: I guess it's just us chickens ;-)
18:03:46 <stickster> #info Present: smooge stickster
18:03:57 <smooge> ok so our status is we are ending zikula work and re-evaluating
18:03:59 <stickster> #topic Go-forward plan
18:04:16 <smooge> you are going to spend the next 72 hours locked in a room with coffee and doughnuts to do this
18:04:23 * stickster has spoken with the Zikula upstream
18:04:57 <stickster> One of the major hangups is that the approach they'd been taking was more like a consultancy
18:05:12 <stickster> Whereas we are trying to grow a community around the project, as we do with other teams and similar projects in Fedora.
18:05:20 <smooge> ok
18:05:21 <stickster> Continuous integration is not going to solve that issue
18:05:29 <stickster> Although it might make packaging marginally better
18:05:32 <smooge> stickster, my internet is dropping pretty badly.
18:05:36 <stickster> smooge: Understand
18:06:04 <stickster> So for right now, we are investigating other platforms and communities where we might find a good fit with our project objectives
18:06:10 <smooge> yeah consulting and communities |-
18:06:36 <stickster> Drupal is a good candidate because (1) they're highly biased to GPL in terms of licensing (fewer licensing problems)
18:06:48 <stickster> (2) they have a lot of FOSS-immersed people in their community
18:07:00 <stickster> (3) documentation is plentiful and generally well-written
18:07:15 <stickster> (4) we don't have to throw away everything we've done in theming
18:07:36 <smooge> ok that sounds reasonable
18:08:02 <stickster> and (5) it's already packaged in Fedora
18:08:10 <stickster> (with drupal6 on the way)
18:08:19 <stickster> sorry, I meant: with drupal6 on the way in EPEL-6
18:08:24 <stickster> (and EPEL-5 too, probably)
18:08:39 <smooge> I think it needs too new of a PHP for EL5
18:08:52 * gwerra is here, had to run for dinner
18:09:02 <smooge> but probably wrong
18:09:06 <smooge> hellow gwerra
18:09:11 <gwerra> hey smooge
18:09:36 <stickster> #info Present: +gwerra
18:10:37 <stickster> smooge: Requires 4.4.0 or higher, 5.2 recommended
18:11:09 <smooge> ah ok
18:11:12 <smooge> well in that case
18:11:24 <stickster> So, regardless... the door is open there.
18:11:28 <smooge> so we go with drupal6
18:11:35 <stickster> smooge: Yes, we want to take the latest stable.
18:11:44 <smooge> and start from there.
18:11:50 <stickster> 7 isn't ready, and is not EL-5 compatible (req. PHP 5.2 or maybe 5.3?)
18:11:51 <smooge> What servers are we using?
18:12:09 <smooge> for development?
18:12:20 <smooge> Actually let me take that back.
18:12:22 <stickster> smooge: I want to make sure we're doing all the right things from the Infrastructure perspective
18:12:26 <stickster> RFR, etc.
18:12:32 <smooge> phone guy is here
18:12:34 <smooge> brb
18:12:35 <stickster> smooge: OK
18:12:44 <stickster> We can come back to the infrastructure topic.
18:12:48 <stickster> #topic Team building
18:13:19 <stickster> One of the most important bits of our project is *building a team* that is committed to actually learning and developing on the platform.
18:13:40 <stickster> We had a major difficulty with this earlier because of lack of documentation and a difficult interface
18:14:15 <stickster> combined with very active development upstream -- that's actually a very *good* thing, but key parts of the plumbing were changing while we were trying to stabilize
18:15:34 <stickster> gwerra: I take it you've had experience on Drupal, isn't that correct?
18:16:06 <gwerra> stickster: a lot of it yes
18:16:19 <stickster> Well, that should be helpful then ;-)
18:16:37 <stickster> gwerra: I'm going to assume you are still willing to help out on a team working on Insight?
18:16:53 <gwerra> stickster: you assume right :)
18:16:58 <stickster> :-)
18:17:08 <stickster> I know rbergeron is interested, and possibly Sparks as well.
18:17:44 <smooge> ok phone line going away.
18:17:49 <smooge> will be back later
18:17:50 <stickster> OK smooge, see you soon
18:18:41 <stickster> In my new job, in the immediate future I'm spending most of my time on Fedora still. This is primarily to help get Jared Smith, the new FPL, comfortable in the job.
18:19:08 <stickster> Over time, he'll be taking on more of the FPL work, until he gets to ~100%. We are hoping to make that happen by around October.
18:19:25 <stickster> After that I will keep about 20% of my time set aside for Fedora, and the bulk of that time I'd like to devote to Insight.
18:19:38 <stickster> It helps me stay involved and doing something beneficial for the project.
18:19:54 <stickster> #info stickster will have Insight as his "20% project" in the new job
18:19:59 <gwerra> stickster: You will stay in RH right?
18:20:12 <stickster> gwerra: Yes, I am staying in Red Hat :-)
18:20:27 <gwerra> stickster: Awesome :)
18:20:51 <stickster> #info stickster's biggest priority in that project is to build a team of people who learn about and develop on the new platform. It can't be a one-person show and be successful in Fedora.
18:21:45 <stickster> The critical path for the work is really getting the infrastructure set up, which we can discuss on logistics list, which I'll be using more often.
18:22:29 <stickster> To get that done, we need an AuthFAS plugin
18:22:35 <stickster> which brings us to our next topic :-)
18:22:42 <stickster> #topic Related work -- AuthFAS
18:23:24 <stickster> #link http://tinyurl.com/drupal-authfas-6x
18:23:39 <stickster> I haven't finished it yet -- in fact this is nonfunctional for actual authentication
18:23:57 <stickster> But finishing it is only a couple hours of work, I'm going to try and hit that tomorrow and/or Saturday.
18:24:28 <stickster> #action stickster to work more on plugin this weekend and hopefully have functioning plugin next week
18:25:04 <stickster> gwerra: I have the menu integration stuff and an install schema done, just need to port in the db stuff
18:25:49 <stickster> #info This plugin will actually map arbitrary FAS groups so we can have the authenticated user RID, plus as many others as we want
18:25:55 <stickster> gwerra: Are you proud of me?
18:25:56 <stickster> :-)
18:26:06 <gwerra> stickster: I am :)
18:26:26 <stickster> Admittedly, the "real code" part still needs to be inserted, but I know where I'm going with it.
18:26:52 <gwerra> stickster: I wont be able to work on it until monday, so what you can do until the weekend please do it, after that I'll take over :)
18:27:07 <stickster> gwerra: Don't worry, I'm very excited about working on it, I'm itching to finish it :-)
18:27:08 <gwerra> s/do/finish/
18:27:13 <gwerra> :)
18:27:23 <stickster> OK, enough about that
18:27:35 <stickster> #topic Related work -- requirements
18:27:57 <stickster> It seems to me we're going to need to re-evaluate contrib modules to get our stakeholders what they want
18:28:06 <stickster> i.e. the FWN team, Marketing, a podcast feed....
18:28:16 <stickster> So there will be some more research involved.
18:28:39 <stickster> Also, we're going to need to theme it, but from what I recall, that doesn't mean starting over from scratch
18:30:06 <stickster> #info Team will use list and ad-hoc IRC to re-evaluate requirements as needed, and research ways to fill them
18:31:08 <stickster> Once we have that done, I've heard a couple people say "FAD"
18:31:24 <stickster> #info FAD is a possibility once we've got all of that work done.
18:31:55 <stickster> I'm going to be really careful about committing to a FAD unless that FAD is all about fingers on keyboards, *making* stuff. I don't want to get together for three days to talk about making stuff, I want to get it done.
18:32:10 <gwerra> stickster: remember to get me to a FAD will cost you a lot :P
18:32:22 <stickster> gwerra: Yeah, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it :-)
18:33:19 <gwerra> stickster: blr to phx is around 1300 USD (both ways), I am saving up for tempe
18:33:38 <stickster> gwerra: You let me worry about the cost for a FAD.
18:33:39 <stickster> :-)
18:33:55 <gwerra> :)
18:34:05 <stickster> Anyhoo, we'll talk more about that when the time is right.
18:34:39 <stickster> For now, I want to pursue the critical path tasks, which is the plugin, and then getting the RFR and our development workflow written up.
18:34:49 * stickster has nothing else for today.
18:34:57 <stickster> gwerra: Anything else you wanted to cover?
18:35:09 <gwerra> um nope
18:35:55 <stickster> OK
18:35:56 <stickster> #endmeeting