18:02:41 <stickster> #startmeeting Fedora Insight 18:02:42 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Apr 15 18:02:41 2010 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:02:44 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:02:52 <rbergeron> stickster has da power! 18:02:52 <stickster> #meetingname Fedora Insight 18:02:53 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_insight' 18:02:57 <stickster> #chair rbergeron pcalarco_afk 18:02:57 <zodbot> Current chairs: pcalarco_afk rbergeron stickster 18:03:02 <stickster> #topic Roll call 18:03:06 * stickster 18:03:06 * hiemanshu 18:03:23 * rbergeron is here 18:03:28 * hiemanshu pokes pcalarco_afk and mchua_afk 18:04:20 <stickster> #topic Agenda 18:04:23 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Agenda 18:04:32 <stickster> #topic Theming/design 18:04:37 <stickster> Hi everybody! 18:04:58 <stickster> I'm looking at the ticket list and I'm dazed and impressed 18:05:07 <stickster> It looks like the skin ticket is the only thing left, is that correct? 18:05:31 <hiemanshu> stickster: I havent been online much for quite some time so really no idea 18:06:03 <stickster> hiemanshu: Do you think you'll be around much during the next week or so? 18:06:34 <hiemanshu> stickster: yup, will be around from 22th to 30th, I am talking a little break from work 18:06:44 <hiemanshu> and most likely this sat and sunday too 18:07:08 <stickster> hiemanshu: Some of us may be able to help this week, are there specific skin problems you could use help with? Is it just a matter of working on the CSS file and testing the changes? 18:07:17 <pcalarco> sorry all, back to back meetings todsay 18:07:23 <hiemanshu> stickster: Yup, I have to work on the CSS 18:07:24 <stickster> pcalarco: No problem! 18:07:30 * quaid lurks but has a call at :30 18:07:44 <hiemanshu> stickster: if anyone can help with the css it would help 18:07:48 <rbergeron> <-- still has a hot date with the tax man :\ 18:07:49 <stickster> hiemanshu: So if someone wanted to help, we could go to pt6 and work on the CSS stored there, and send patches... where? 18:08:05 <hiemanshu> stickster: patches to the logistics list 18:08:10 <stickster> hiemanshu: Awesome! 18:08:13 <pcalarco> I cleaned up the agenda last night and closed my tickets that we're complete with 18:08:28 <stickster> #link https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/66 <-- skin ticket 18:08:44 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: got a list of pending tickets, I can look up some when I have time 18:08:52 <stickster> #info To help with CSS in ticket #66, test your changes on publictest6 and send patches to the logistics@ list 18:09:10 <stickster> pcalarco: #2057 was reopened -- but wasn't that eventually found to be fixed for real? 18:09:24 <stickster> (weighting issue) 18:09:36 <pcalarco> sticksetr: yes, I tested further and it works as expected 18:09:43 <stickster> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2057 18:09:51 <stickster> #info #2057 was reopened, but is now found to work 18:09:59 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: we also need to fix the CSS for the beats to show up as one article 18:10:00 <stickster> pcalarco: OK, I'll #action you to close 18:10:06 <stickster> #action pcalarco Close #2057 ticket 18:10:22 <stickster> hiemanshu: Fortunately, I'm relatively better at CSS than at PHP -- which isn't saying a lot 18:10:32 <stickster> I may be able to help a bit tomorrow evening 18:10:44 * rbergeron thinks stickster is awesome no matter what! 18:11:11 <stickster> hiemanshu: Maybe I could work on that very specific piece 18:11:13 <hiemanshu> stickster: google can teach the things you miss :) 18:11:22 <stickster> hiemanshu: Exactly! :-D 18:11:37 <stickster> i.e. Making FWN look like one article 18:11:46 <pcalarco> hiemanshu: this was itbegins' solution to differentiating the beats in the pagemaster admin interface, but we could leave off the titles there and just stick with what is in each beat 18:11:53 <hiemanshu> stickster: your call 18:12:00 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: Yup, it still needs a little fixing 18:12:16 <stickster> hiemanshu: How many hours of work do you estimate are left to do, in total, on the skin? 18:12:26 <pcalarco> we *do* need to distringuish where one beats begins and another one follows, however' 18:12:52 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: you wanna keep that post production or is it critical? 18:13:01 <hiemanshu> stickster: Cant really say, about 3-4 hours easy 18:13:02 <stickster> pcalarco: If you leave the titles in for now, I can try my hand at making them look better tomorrow 18:13:10 <pcalarco> hiemanshu: it is not critical, it is polish 18:13:28 <pcalarco> okay, I can do that 18:13:34 <stickster> hiemanshu: Is there some sort of <div> around LWN articles so I could make the style specific -- i.e. for LWN articles, treat the subheadings in a certain way 18:13:58 <hiemanshu> stickster: there are divs for almost everything IIRC 18:14:03 <stickster> sweet 18:14:19 <stickster> If there's an @id or a @class so I can tell LWN articles apart, I'll see about using that. 18:14:43 <hiemanshu> stickster: well with a little messing around I can do that 18:14:46 * stickster has done a little bit of his own CSS e.g. based paul.frields.org on someone else's work 18:14:46 <pcalarco> stickster: FWN, you mean :) 18:14:51 <stickster> sorry, FWN 18:14:55 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: free are the meeting I have some time 18:15:00 <hiemanshu> err 18:15:09 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: I am free after the meeting, I have some time 18:15:36 <pcalarco> hiemanshu: I am basically not available after this meeting until 4/27, I am traveling to China tomorrow 18:15:53 <pcalarco> awill is doing editorial duties for next FWN issue 18:16:21 <stickster> hiemanshu: Do you need pcalarco there? 18:16:45 <pcalarco> I will republish FWN 221 on FI tonight, and you can hack away at making it look better perhaps 18:16:45 <hiemanshu> stickster: just some guidelines 18:17:02 <stickster> hiemanshu: guidelines for what? I can try to help if I know what you want 18:17:19 <hiemanshu> stickster: on what is what and how it should look 18:17:27 <stickster> hiemanshu: I may be able to help then 18:17:35 <hiemanshu> I can hack on my own, but I always love ssecond opinions 18:17:38 * stickster will stand in for pcalarco as much as he can 18:17:47 <stickster> That way you can get on with your work 18:17:50 <stickster> OK? 18:17:54 <pcalarco> stickster: thanks 18:18:11 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: btw hope you bump into my dad :P (he left for china yest) 18:18:20 <stickster> OK, let's move on 18:18:25 <stickster> We have a bunch of stuff to get to! 18:18:32 <stickster> +/- 1? 18:18:36 <hiemanshu> go ahead 18:18:37 <pcalarco> +1 18:18:43 <stickster> #topic Logistics 18:18:50 <stickster> OK, FASAuth status 18:19:06 <stickster> We know that the plugin works for granting cmsadmin and exchanging that properly with the Administrators group rights on Zikula. 18:19:30 <stickster> We put a bit of time on Friday into testing that, and also trying to get separate writers' and editors' groups going. 18:19:37 <pcalarco> I am also able to log in and I am cmseditors group 18:19:45 <stickster> pcalarco: right, getting to that 18:19:58 <stickster> So the problem is, the code that I tried didn't work properly. 18:20:16 <stickster> It *automatically* grants Zikula groups for Editors and Writers 18:20:24 <stickster> Which is not quite the right thing! ;-D 18:20:40 <stickster> So I would propose that we not be quite as ambitious 18:20:44 <stickster> For another reason too -- 18:21:04 <stickster> Which is that we're still in the mode of trying to encourage people to help edit and run things on the CMS, both for FWN and beyond 18:21:28 <stickster> If we keep everyone together in the cmsadmin/"Admins" groups, people can basically help with anything. 18:21:36 <stickster> That may not be ideal for a very large shared project 18:21:53 <stickster> But for right now we have so few people there's no reason for us to spin wheels on complicated authentication schemes. 18:22:04 * rbergeron nods 18:22:15 <stickster> We know for a fact that the password authentication is working, and that 'cmsadmin' membership gives you Administrators rights on Zikula. 18:22:18 <stickster> Which is enough for now. 18:22:25 <rbergeron> okay - so i agree we should do this 18:22:41 <rbergeron> mostly because i just need to know something so i can write documentation on how to grant access :) 18:22:42 <stickster> #info Multi-group access is harder than we have time to do, and for now it may not matter anyway -- we're not at the point of needing to pen people up 18:23:22 <stickster> It's possible itbegins could fix this up in just a few minutes 18:23:38 <pcalarco> stickster: +1 from me too 18:23:40 <stickster> But it seems like something that is easily done post-production, *as long as* we know that FASAuth and the admin privs work right. 18:23:41 <rbergeron> i've gotten the impression that it's not an extremely quick fix 18:23:50 <stickster> rbergeron: It might not be 18:23:51 * rbergeron nods 18:24:08 <rbergeron> stickster: from what you and i tried it doesn't seem to be an easy fix, at the bare minimum :) 18:24:08 <stickster> I don't know for sure. I know the fix I did was halfway there, but who knows how hard the other half is :-) 18:24:24 <stickster> So should we call this agreed? To stay with just cmsadmin/Admins for now? 18:24:27 <hiemanshu> stickster: have to run now, see you in about an hour or so 18:24:36 <stickster> Thank you hiemanshu, see you soon 18:24:38 <rbergeron> yes - agreed 18:24:50 <rbergeron> i don't want it to be permanent though, if we can avoid it. 18:24:56 <stickster> #info FASAuth works, and properly syncs the cmsadmin/Administrators groups 18:25:32 <stickster> rbergeron: Right -- it needn't be. Once a technical RFE is filled, it's actually quite easy to manipulate people into groups and move on 18:26:19 <rbergeron> so basically - for this piece of documentation - we just need to basically inform people that they need to apply in FAS for access to cmsadmin, correct? 18:26:21 <stickster> #agreed Use a single cmsadmin/Administrators group for now, and look into a RFE for multi-group access if/when we have enough people working on the system to demand it 18:26:27 <stickster> rbergeron: That is correct, ma'am! 18:26:58 <rbergeron> do we need detailed screenshots for this or.... i mean this really seems like the easiest kind of documentation there is, at this point :) 18:27:07 <stickster> rbergeron: No screenshots needed. 18:27:22 <rbergeron> sweet 18:27:38 * rbergeron 's task just got a lot easier 18:27:40 <rbergeron> :D 18:27:55 <stickster> #action rbergeron to complete documentation for getting access 18:27:59 <stickster> Cool? 18:28:11 <rbergeron> yes - let me make sure i know where to document it 18:28:21 * rbergeron goes and looks so we're all on the same page - figuratively and literally 18:28:27 * rbergeron is so punny 18:28:33 <pcalarco> I partially documented this at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight_Workflow 18:29:10 <rbergeron> indeed 18:29:10 <rbergeron> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight_Workflow#User_Accounts 18:29:23 <rbergeron> so - we need to just alter this to be "cmsadmin" 18:29:31 <pcalarco> rbergeron: yes 18:29:35 <rbergeron> and state that all accounts are going into the cmsadmin bucket, correct? 18:29:42 <pcalarco> rbergeron: yes 18:29:54 <stickster> rbergeron: Right, there are only 2 types now, users and admins. 18:31:04 <stickster> OK, move on to Docs then? 18:31:04 <rbergeron> oh, you're right. 18:31:25 <rbergeron> waiiiit - so i'm reading this 18:31:32 <rbergeron> i just want to be clear 18:31:46 <rbergeron> so - users log in with their FAS accounts 18:32:03 <rbergeron> but if they want to contribute anything - they have to apply for cmsadmin 18:32:11 <rbergeron> so essentially - regular users / readers won't be logging in 18:32:19 <rbergeron> correct? 18:32:20 <pcalarco> rbergeron: correct 18:32:45 <stickster> Only if they want to make use of some sort of account priv like feedback comments, or something like that, at a later date 18:32:50 <pcalarco> one just needs an account if you want to contribute content 18:33:20 <stickster> Let's hit the Docs side of things now 18:33:25 <stickster> +/- 1? 18:33:31 <pcalarco> +1 18:34:12 <stickster> #topic Documentation 18:34:26 <pcalarco> I completed documentation for FWN workflow and this is ready for another set of eyes 18:34:31 <pcalarco> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight_FWN_Workflow 18:34:35 * stickster looking at that page right now 18:34:38 <stickster> Great job pcalarco! 18:35:02 * stickster volunteers to be that pair of eyes 18:35:09 <stickster> #action stickster to read and correct workflow pages for FWN 18:35:18 <stickster> #undo 18:35:19 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x2b03b2e454d0> 18:35:22 <stickster> Oops, didn't want that to sound wrong 18:35:25 <pcalarco> stickseter: feel free to tweak as necessary 18:35:29 <stickster> #action stickster to read and edit, correct as necessary the workflow pages for FWN 18:35:33 <stickster> :-) 18:36:14 <stickster> As for general news 18:36:34 <stickster> I think there's still some work to be done there 18:37:12 <stickster> #action stickster to read general news workflow page and send comments and questions to logistics@ list 18:38:46 <stickster> rbergeron: Would you agree? Is it OK for me to do a once-over on that page and try and tease out exactly what we need there? 18:38:54 <stickster> I might be able to actually *write* some of it as I go 18:39:27 <rbergeron> stickster - i think that is dandy. 18:39:39 <stickster> rbergeron: Awesome! 18:39:42 <stickster> \o/ 18:40:17 * rbergeron will brb -doorbell 18:40:18 <stickster> The last bit in the agenda, the Marketing trac report, is for reference, although I've hit it and am going to make sure we've closed anything that deserves it 18:40:34 <stickster> pcalarco: I want to give rbergeron a minute because we'll need her for the next segment of the agenda 18:40:42 <stickster> #topic All Other Business (AOB) 18:40:58 <stickster> #info Production needs to go up around 4/27 18:41:24 <stickster> pcalarco: That means you won't be around then -- Monday 27 April -- but you will be around for the FWN after that? 18:42:02 <stickster> Wed 29 April 18:42:37 * stickster sips his water 18:42:39 <rbergeron> okay - i'm back 18:42:56 <stickster> rbergeron: Cool, see above -- we finished out with docs and we're talking about the production schedule 18:42:58 <pcalarco> one sec, on the phone; reading 18:43:03 <stickster> Np pcalarco 18:43:06 <stickster> I'll brief the meeting :-) 18:43:12 * rbergeron nods 18:43:26 <stickster> mmcgrath wisely pointed out that anything we're production ready for really needs to be out on the wire by 4/27 18:43:27 <pcalarco> stickster: yes, I will be back for 4/29 issue 18:43:31 * rbergeron was hoping for a laptop from the UPS man but instead it was books which were not worth running to the door for 18:43:44 <stickster> I think we are basically ready, modulo the following risk factors: 18:43:53 <stickster> * Finishing the skin properly 18:44:07 <stickster> * Ensuring the FWN and general news workflows are documented properly and work as promised 18:44:22 <stickster> These are the blockers. 18:44:47 <stickster> I think we can finish these but we'll all need to put some time in -- other than pcalarco who is on travel! :-) 18:45:21 <stickster> rbergeron: hiemanshu: I can be around on Sunday to do some work here 18:45:28 <stickster> And on Friday afternoon/evening 18:45:38 <hiemanshu> stickster: sunday suits me best 18:45:53 <stickster> hiemanshu: OK, noted 18:45:59 <stickster> Sunday is probably better for me too, honestly 18:46:04 <rbergeron> sunday is best for me as well - 18:46:07 <stickster> great!~ 18:46:24 <rbergeron> i have to drive down to phx on friday - and somewhere in there we're having a 6pm meeting for FAD NA stuff 18:46:27 <rbergeron> well, 6pm my time 18:46:34 <stickster> I'll plan to be around by about 1500 UTC -- that's 11:00am Eastern 18:46:39 <stickster> I know that rbergeron won't be there until later 18:46:44 <stickster> hiemanshu: What's your TZ? 18:47:16 <rbergeron> stickster: i can pop in on sunday morning. we'll still be at the in-laws house == free babysitting :) 18:47:21 <hiemanshu> stickster: +5.5 18:47:51 <stickster> hiemanshu: OK, would that time work for you? 18:47:59 * stickster can do earlier 18:48:11 <hiemanshu> stickster: any time upto 4 PM EST works for me 18:48:37 <stickster> hiemanshu: Awesome 18:48:40 <stickster> OK 18:49:12 <stickster> #action stickster hiemanshu rbergeron Rendezvous on #fedora-mktg anytime after 1500 UTC on Sun 2010-04-18 to work on workflow doc and skin issues 18:49:35 <stickster> smooge: Are you here to listen in from Infra? 18:49:39 <stickster> Or should I ping mmcgrath? 18:49:58 * stickster wants to make sure we capture what's required to go from pt6 to staging on the Infra side, and then staging to production. 18:50:06 <stickster> (for sake of notes and clarity) 18:50:17 <rbergeron> please, please do stickster :) 18:50:36 <stickster> #topic Infrastructure sync up 18:50:47 <hiemanshu> stickster: I am kind of infra-ish, I think I can help 18:51:17 <stickster> hiemanshu: Oh, of course! 18:51:35 <stickster> Sorry hiemanshu, I thought you need to be afk and didn't want to bug you too much :-) 18:51:56 <hiemanshu> stickster: Well I got back earlier 18:51:58 <stickster> We have a list of all the files and content that need to be copied, apart from the Zikula db of course 18:52:29 <stickster> itbegins noted them in ticket #2006 for us 18:53:05 <stickster> hiemanshu: If we want to be on production by 4/27, what does that tell us about deadlines for the skin and the docs? 18:53:29 <hiemanshu> stickster: it takes atleast a couple of days to get stuff on like the DB etc, and testing 18:53:45 <hiemanshu> so 24 should be a deadline, with a day of slipage 18:54:03 <stickster> hiemanshu: OK, will you have enough time between now and, say, 4/22 or 4/23 to have the skin complete? 18:54:24 <stickster> I think the docs we can have done by then, especially if we work on it this weekend 18:54:27 <hiemanshu> stickster: I have the weekends off, so I am free those days 18:54:49 <stickster> hiemanshu: Awesome! So does that mean you can complete the skin by 4/22 or 4/23? 18:55:20 <hiemanshu> stickster: yup 18:55:20 <stickster> #info stickster asserts we can have docs done by 4/22 or 4/23 18:55:29 <stickster> #info hiemanshu asserts he can have skin done by 4/22 or 4/23 18:55:56 <stickster> #info hiemanshu says, We need to get staging up around 4/24 18:56:04 <stickster> hiemanshu: ^^ correct? 18:56:20 <hiemanshu> stickster: yup 18:56:25 <stickster> \o/ 18:56:48 <stickster> #info If we hit the above deadlines, we can be ready for a 4/27 production deployment that will serve FWN and general news. 18:57:07 <stickster> Well folks, I think that was the only AOB I had to cover 18:57:09 <stickster> Anyone else? 18:57:11 * stickster eof 18:57:18 <rbergeron> stickster: you wanted to cover marketing stuff? 18:57:33 * rbergeron has no AOB 18:57:42 <stickster> rbergeron: Anything in specific? 18:57:43 * hiemanshu has nothing 18:57:49 * stickster memory not so good as he's staring 40 down the barrel 18:58:18 * hiemanshu feels young 18:58:22 <rbergeron> i have nothing specific. :) 18:58:26 <stickster> hiemanshu: You *are*! 18:58:30 <stickster> OK 18:58:35 <stickster> Then I think that's a wrap everyone 18:58:41 * rbergeron will be here to help sunday :) 18:58:47 <stickster> I'm going to leave the channel open for another minute or two in case pcalarco wanted to add anything 18:58:54 * stickster holds gavel until 1900 UTC 19:00:48 <pcalarco> stickster: nothing to add here 19:00:57 <stickster> Okay pcalarco -- I hope you have a great trip 19:01:02 <stickster> And thank you for all your hard work 19:01:08 <pcalarco> stickster: thanks! 19:01:14 * stickster will try to make sure adamw is OK 19:01:14 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: safe journey 19:01:20 <stickster> #endmeeting