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18:02:41 <stickster> #startmeeting Fedora Insight
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18:02:52 <rbergeron> stickster has da power!
18:02:52 <stickster> #meetingname Fedora Insight
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18:02:57 <stickster> #chair rbergeron pcalarco_afk
18:02:57 <zodbot> Current chairs: pcalarco_afk rbergeron stickster
18:03:02 <stickster> #topic Roll call
18:03:06 * stickster 
18:03:06 * hiemanshu 
18:03:23 * rbergeron is here
18:03:28 * hiemanshu pokes pcalarco_afk and mchua_afk
18:04:20 <stickster> #topic Agenda
18:04:23 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Agenda
18:04:32 <stickster> #topic Theming/design
18:04:37 <stickster> Hi everybody!
18:04:58 <stickster> I'm looking at the ticket list and I'm dazed and impressed
18:05:07 <stickster> It looks like the skin ticket is the only thing left, is that correct?
18:05:31 <hiemanshu> stickster: I havent been online much for quite some time so really no idea
18:06:03 <stickster> hiemanshu: Do you think you'll be around much during the next week or so?
18:06:34 <hiemanshu> stickster: yup, will be around from 22th to 30th, I am talking a little break from work
18:06:44 <hiemanshu> and most likely this sat and sunday too
18:07:08 <stickster> hiemanshu: Some of us may be able to help this week, are there specific skin problems you could use help with? Is it just a matter of working on the CSS file and testing the changes?
18:07:17 <pcalarco> sorry all, back to back meetings todsay
18:07:23 <hiemanshu> stickster: Yup, I have to work on the CSS
18:07:24 <stickster> pcalarco: No problem!
18:07:30 * quaid lurks but has a call at :30
18:07:44 <hiemanshu> stickster: if anyone can help with the css it would help
18:07:48 <rbergeron> <-- still has a hot date with the tax man :\
18:07:49 <stickster> hiemanshu: So if someone wanted to help, we could go to pt6 and work on the CSS stored there, and send patches... where?
18:08:05 <hiemanshu> stickster: patches to the logistics list
18:08:10 <stickster> hiemanshu: Awesome!
18:08:13 <pcalarco> I cleaned up the agenda last night and closed my tickets that we're complete with
18:08:28 <stickster> #link https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/66 <-- skin ticket
18:08:44 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: got a list of pending tickets, I can look up some when I have time
18:08:52 <stickster> #info To help with CSS in ticket #66, test your changes on publictest6 and send patches to the logistics@ list
18:09:10 <stickster> pcalarco: #2057 was reopened -- but wasn't that eventually found to be fixed for real?
18:09:24 <stickster> (weighting issue)
18:09:36 <pcalarco> sticksetr: yes, I tested further and it works as expected
18:09:43 <stickster> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2057
18:09:51 <stickster> #info #2057 was reopened, but is now found to work
18:09:59 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: we also need to fix the CSS for the beats to show up as one article
18:10:00 <stickster> pcalarco: OK, I'll #action you to close
18:10:06 <stickster> #action pcalarco Close #2057 ticket
18:10:22 <stickster> hiemanshu: Fortunately, I'm relatively better at CSS than at PHP -- which isn't saying a lot
18:10:32 <stickster> I may be able to help a bit tomorrow evening
18:10:44 * rbergeron thinks stickster is awesome no matter what!
18:11:11 <stickster> hiemanshu: Maybe I could work on that very specific piece
18:11:13 <hiemanshu> stickster: google can teach the things you miss :)
18:11:22 <stickster> hiemanshu: Exactly! :-D
18:11:37 <stickster> i.e. Making FWN look like one article
18:11:46 <pcalarco> hiemanshu: this was itbegins' solution to differentiating the beats in the pagemaster admin interface, but we could leave off the titles there and just stick with what is in each beat
18:11:53 <hiemanshu> stickster: your call
18:12:00 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: Yup, it still needs a little fixing
18:12:16 <stickster> hiemanshu: How many hours of work do you estimate are left to do, in total, on the skin?
18:12:26 <pcalarco> we *do* need to distringuish where one beats begins and another one follows, however'
18:12:52 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: you wanna keep that post production or is it critical?
18:13:01 <hiemanshu> stickster: Cant really say, about 3-4 hours easy
18:13:02 <stickster> pcalarco: If you leave the titles in for now, I can try my hand at making them look better tomorrow
18:13:10 <pcalarco> hiemanshu: it is not critical, it is polish
18:13:28 <pcalarco> okay, I can do that
18:13:34 <stickster> hiemanshu: Is there some sort of <div> around LWN articles so I could make the style specific -- i.e. for LWN articles, treat the subheadings in a certain way
18:13:58 <hiemanshu> stickster: there are divs for almost everything IIRC
18:14:03 <stickster> sweet
18:14:19 <stickster> If there's an @id or a @class so I can tell LWN articles apart, I'll see about using that.
18:14:43 <hiemanshu> stickster: well with a little messing around I can do that
18:14:46 * stickster has done a little bit of his own CSS e.g. based paul.frields.org on someone else's work
18:14:46 <pcalarco> stickster: FWN, you mean :)
18:14:51 <stickster> sorry, FWN
18:14:55 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: free are the meeting I have some time
18:15:00 <hiemanshu> err
18:15:09 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: I am free after the meeting, I have some time
18:15:36 <pcalarco> hiemanshu: I am basically not available after this meeting until 4/27, I am traveling to China tomorrow
18:15:53 <pcalarco> awill is doing editorial duties for next FWN issue
18:16:21 <stickster> hiemanshu: Do you need pcalarco there?
18:16:45 <pcalarco> I will republish FWN 221 on FI tonight, and you can hack away at making it look better perhaps
18:16:45 <hiemanshu> stickster: just some guidelines
18:17:02 <stickster> hiemanshu: guidelines for what? I can try to help if I know what you want
18:17:19 <hiemanshu> stickster: on what is what and how it should look
18:17:27 <stickster> hiemanshu: I may be able to help then
18:17:35 <hiemanshu> I can hack on my own, but I always love ssecond opinions
18:17:38 * stickster will stand in for pcalarco as much as he can
18:17:47 <stickster> That way you can get on with your work
18:17:50 <stickster> OK?
18:17:54 <pcalarco> stickster: thanks
18:18:11 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: btw hope you bump into my dad :P (he left for china yest)
18:18:20 <stickster> OK, let's move on
18:18:25 <stickster> We have a bunch of stuff to get to!
18:18:32 <stickster> +/- 1?
18:18:36 <hiemanshu> go ahead
18:18:37 <pcalarco> +1
18:18:43 <stickster> #topic Logistics
18:18:50 <stickster> OK, FASAuth status
18:19:06 <stickster> We know that the plugin works for granting cmsadmin and exchanging that properly with the Administrators group rights on Zikula.
18:19:30 <stickster> We put a bit of time on Friday into testing that, and also trying to get separate writers' and editors' groups going.
18:19:37 <pcalarco> I am also able to log in and I am cmseditors group
18:19:45 <stickster> pcalarco: right, getting to that
18:19:58 <stickster> So the problem is, the code that I tried didn't work properly.
18:20:16 <stickster> It *automatically* grants Zikula groups for Editors and Writers
18:20:24 <stickster> Which is not quite the right thing! ;-D
18:20:40 <stickster> So I would propose that we not be quite as ambitious
18:20:44 <stickster> For another reason too --
18:21:04 <stickster> Which is that we're still in the mode of trying to encourage people to help edit and run things on the CMS, both for FWN and beyond
18:21:28 <stickster> If we keep everyone together in the cmsadmin/"Admins" groups, people can basically help with anything.
18:21:36 <stickster> That may not be ideal for a very large shared project
18:21:53 <stickster> But for right now we have so few people there's no reason for us to spin wheels on complicated authentication schemes.
18:22:04 * rbergeron nods
18:22:15 <stickster> We know for a fact that the password authentication is working, and that 'cmsadmin' membership gives you Administrators rights on Zikula.
18:22:18 <stickster> Which is enough for now.
18:22:25 <rbergeron> okay - so i agree we should do this
18:22:41 <rbergeron> mostly because i just need to know something so i can write documentation on how to grant access :)
18:22:42 <stickster> #info Multi-group access is harder than we have time to do, and for now it may not matter anyway -- we're not at the point of needing to pen people up
18:23:22 <stickster> It's possible itbegins could fix this up in just a few minutes
18:23:38 <pcalarco> stickster: +1 from me too
18:23:40 <stickster> But it seems like something that is easily done post-production, *as long as* we know that FASAuth and the admin privs work right.
18:23:41 <rbergeron> i've gotten the impression that it's not an extremely quick fix
18:23:50 <stickster> rbergeron: It might not be
18:23:51 * rbergeron nods
18:24:08 <rbergeron> stickster: from what you and i tried it doesn't seem to be an easy fix, at the bare minimum :)
18:24:08 <stickster> I don't know for sure. I know the fix I did was halfway there, but who knows how hard the other half is :-)
18:24:24 <stickster> So should we call this agreed? To stay with just cmsadmin/Admins for now?
18:24:27 <hiemanshu> stickster: have to run now, see you in about an hour or so
18:24:36 <stickster> Thank you hiemanshu, see you soon
18:24:38 <rbergeron> yes - agreed
18:24:50 <rbergeron> i don't want it to be permanent though, if we can avoid it.
18:24:56 <stickster> #info FASAuth works, and properly syncs the cmsadmin/Administrators groups
18:25:32 <stickster> rbergeron: Right -- it needn't be. Once a technical RFE is filled, it's actually quite easy to manipulate people into groups and move on
18:26:19 <rbergeron> so basically - for this piece of documentation - we just need to basically inform people that they need to apply in FAS for access to cmsadmin, correct?
18:26:21 <stickster> #agreed Use a single cmsadmin/Administrators group for now, and look into a RFE for multi-group access if/when we have enough people working on the system to demand it
18:26:27 <stickster> rbergeron: That is correct, ma'am!
18:26:58 <rbergeron> do we need detailed screenshots for this or.... i mean this really seems like the easiest kind of documentation there is, at this point :)
18:27:07 <stickster> rbergeron: No screenshots needed.
18:27:22 <rbergeron> sweet
18:27:38 * rbergeron 's task just got a lot easier
18:27:40 <rbergeron> :D
18:27:55 <stickster> #action rbergeron to complete documentation for getting access
18:27:59 <stickster> Cool?
18:28:11 <rbergeron> yes - let me make sure i know where to document it
18:28:21 * rbergeron goes and looks so we're all on the same page - figuratively and literally
18:28:27 * rbergeron is so punny
18:28:33 <pcalarco> I partially documented this at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight_Workflow
18:29:10 <rbergeron> indeed
18:29:10 <rbergeron> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight_Workflow#User_Accounts
18:29:23 <rbergeron> so - we need to just alter this to be "cmsadmin"
18:29:31 <pcalarco> rbergeron: yes
18:29:35 <rbergeron> and state that all accounts are going into the cmsadmin bucket, correct?
18:29:42 <pcalarco> rbergeron: yes
18:29:54 <stickster> rbergeron: Right, there are only 2 types now, users and admins.
18:31:04 <stickster> OK, move on to Docs then?
18:31:04 <rbergeron> oh, you're right.
18:31:25 <rbergeron> waiiiit - so i'm reading this
18:31:32 <rbergeron> i just want to be clear
18:31:46 <rbergeron> so - users log in with their FAS accounts
18:32:03 <rbergeron> but if they want to contribute anything - they have to apply for cmsadmin
18:32:11 <rbergeron> so essentially - regular users / readers won't be logging in
18:32:19 <rbergeron> correct?
18:32:20 <pcalarco> rbergeron: correct
18:32:45 <stickster> Only if they want to make use of some sort of account priv like feedback comments, or something like that, at a later date
18:32:50 <pcalarco> one just needs an account if you want to contribute content
18:33:20 <stickster> Let's hit the Docs side of things now
18:33:25 <stickster> +/- 1?
18:33:31 <pcalarco> +1
18:34:12 <stickster> #topic Documentation
18:34:26 <pcalarco> I completed documentation for FWN workflow and this is ready for another set of eyes
18:34:31 <pcalarco> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight_FWN_Workflow
18:34:35 * stickster looking at that page right now
18:34:38 <stickster> Great job pcalarco!
18:35:02 * stickster volunteers to be that pair of eyes
18:35:09 <stickster> #action stickster to read and correct workflow pages for FWN
18:35:18 <stickster> #undo
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18:35:22 <stickster> Oops, didn't want that to sound wrong
18:35:25 <pcalarco> stickseter: feel free to tweak as necessary
18:35:29 <stickster> #action stickster to read and edit, correct as necessary the workflow pages for FWN
18:35:33 <stickster> :-)
18:36:14 <stickster> As for general news
18:36:34 <stickster> I think there's still some work to be done there
18:37:12 <stickster> #action stickster to read general news workflow page and send comments and questions to logistics@ list
18:38:46 <stickster> rbergeron: Would you agree? Is it OK for me to do a once-over on that page and try and tease out exactly what we need there?
18:38:54 <stickster> I might be able to actually *write* some of it as I go
18:39:27 <rbergeron> stickster - i think that is dandy.
18:39:39 <stickster> rbergeron: Awesome!
18:39:42 <stickster> \o/
18:40:17 * rbergeron will brb -doorbell
18:40:18 <stickster> The last bit in the agenda, the Marketing trac report, is for reference, although I've hit it and am going to make sure we've closed anything that deserves it
18:40:34 <stickster> pcalarco: I want to give rbergeron a minute because we'll need her for the next segment of the agenda
18:40:42 <stickster> #topic All Other Business (AOB)
18:40:58 <stickster> #info Production needs to go up around 4/27
18:41:24 <stickster> pcalarco: That means you won't be around then -- Monday 27 April -- but you will be around for the FWN after that?
18:42:02 <stickster> Wed 29 April
18:42:37 * stickster sips his water
18:42:39 <rbergeron> okay - i'm back
18:42:56 <stickster> rbergeron: Cool, see above -- we finished out with docs and we're talking about the production schedule
18:42:58 <pcalarco> one sec, on the phone; reading
18:43:03 <stickster> Np pcalarco
18:43:06 <stickster> I'll brief the meeting :-)
18:43:12 * rbergeron nods
18:43:26 <stickster> mmcgrath wisely pointed out that anything we're production ready for really needs to be out on the wire by 4/27
18:43:27 <pcalarco> stickster: yes, I will be back for 4/29 issue
18:43:31 * rbergeron was hoping for a laptop from the UPS man but instead it was books which were not worth running to the door for
18:43:44 <stickster> I think we are basically ready, modulo the following risk factors:
18:43:53 <stickster> * Finishing the skin properly
18:44:07 <stickster> * Ensuring the FWN and general news workflows are documented properly and work as promised
18:44:22 <stickster> These are the blockers.
18:44:47 <stickster> I think we can finish these but we'll all need to put some time in -- other than pcalarco who is on travel! :-)
18:45:21 <stickster> rbergeron: hiemanshu: I can be around on Sunday to do some work here
18:45:28 <stickster> And on Friday afternoon/evening
18:45:38 <hiemanshu> stickster: sunday suits me best
18:45:53 <stickster> hiemanshu: OK, noted
18:45:59 <stickster> Sunday is probably better for me too, honestly
18:46:04 <rbergeron> sunday is best for me as well -
18:46:07 <stickster> great!~
18:46:24 <rbergeron> i have to drive down to phx on friday - and somewhere in there we're having a 6pm meeting for FAD NA stuff
18:46:27 <rbergeron> well, 6pm my time
18:46:34 <stickster> I'll plan to be around by about 1500 UTC -- that's 11:00am Eastern
18:46:39 <stickster> I know that rbergeron won't be there until later
18:46:44 <stickster> hiemanshu: What's your TZ?
18:47:16 <rbergeron> stickster: i can pop in on sunday morning. we'll still be at the in-laws house == free babysitting :)
18:47:21 <hiemanshu> stickster: +5.5
18:47:51 <stickster> hiemanshu: OK, would that time work for you?
18:47:59 * stickster can do earlier
18:48:11 <hiemanshu> stickster: any time upto 4 PM EST works for me
18:48:37 <stickster> hiemanshu: Awesome
18:48:40 <stickster> OK
18:49:12 <stickster> #action stickster hiemanshu rbergeron Rendezvous on #fedora-mktg anytime after 1500 UTC on Sun 2010-04-18 to work on workflow doc and skin issues
18:49:35 <stickster> smooge: Are you here to listen in from Infra?
18:49:39 <stickster> Or should I ping mmcgrath?
18:49:58 * stickster wants to make sure we capture what's required to go from pt6 to staging on the Infra side, and then staging to production.
18:50:06 <stickster> (for sake of notes and clarity)
18:50:17 <rbergeron> please, please do stickster :)
18:50:36 <stickster> #topic Infrastructure sync up
18:50:47 <hiemanshu> stickster: I am kind of infra-ish, I think I can help
18:51:17 <stickster> hiemanshu: Oh, of course!
18:51:35 <stickster> Sorry hiemanshu, I thought you need to be afk and didn't want to bug you too much :-)
18:51:56 <hiemanshu> stickster: Well I got back earlier
18:51:58 <stickster> We have a list of all the files and content that need to be copied, apart from the Zikula db of course
18:52:29 <stickster> itbegins noted them in ticket #2006 for us
18:53:05 <stickster> hiemanshu: If we want to be on production by 4/27, what does that tell us about deadlines for the skin and the docs?
18:53:29 <hiemanshu> stickster: it takes atleast a couple of days to get stuff on like the DB etc, and testing
18:53:45 <hiemanshu> so 24 should be a deadline, with a day of slipage
18:54:03 <stickster> hiemanshu: OK, will you have enough time between now and, say, 4/22 or 4/23 to have the skin complete?
18:54:24 <stickster> I think the docs we can have done by then, especially if we work on it this weekend
18:54:27 <hiemanshu> stickster: I have the weekends off, so I am free those days
18:54:49 <stickster> hiemanshu: Awesome! So does that mean you can complete the skin by 4/22 or 4/23?
18:55:20 <hiemanshu> stickster: yup
18:55:20 <stickster> #info stickster asserts we can have docs done by 4/22 or 4/23
18:55:29 <stickster> #info hiemanshu asserts he can have skin done by 4/22 or 4/23
18:55:56 <stickster> #info hiemanshu says, We need to get staging up around 4/24
18:56:04 <stickster> hiemanshu: ^^ correct?
18:56:20 <hiemanshu> stickster: yup
18:56:25 <stickster> \o/
18:56:48 <stickster> #info If we hit the above deadlines, we can be ready for a 4/27 production deployment that will serve FWN and general news.
18:57:07 <stickster> Well folks, I think that was the only AOB I had to cover
18:57:09 <stickster> Anyone else?
18:57:11 * stickster eof
18:57:18 <rbergeron> stickster: you wanted to cover marketing stuff?
18:57:33 * rbergeron has no AOB
18:57:42 <stickster> rbergeron: Anything in specific?
18:57:43 * hiemanshu has nothing
18:57:49 * stickster memory not so good as he's staring 40 down the barrel
18:58:18 * hiemanshu feels young
18:58:22 <rbergeron> i have nothing specific. :)
18:58:26 <stickster> hiemanshu: You *are*!
18:58:30 <stickster> OK
18:58:35 <stickster> Then I think that's a wrap everyone
18:58:41 * rbergeron will be here to help sunday :)
18:58:47 <stickster> I'm going to leave the channel open for another minute or two in case pcalarco wanted to add anything
18:58:54 * stickster holds gavel until 1900 UTC
19:00:48 <pcalarco> stickster: nothing to add here
19:00:57 <stickster> Okay pcalarco -- I hope you have a great trip
19:01:02 <stickster> And thank you for all your hard work
19:01:08 <pcalarco> stickster: thanks!
19:01:14 * stickster will try to make sure adamw is OK
19:01:14 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: safe journey
19:01:20 <stickster> #endmeeting