20:01:15 <riecatnor[m]> #startmeeting Mindshare
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20:01:53 <bt0> Hello o/
20:02:01 <riecatnor[m]> #chair pbokoc Vipul Siddharth bt0 Máirín Duffy Madeline Peck davdunc Onuralp Sezer nb
20:02:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: Duffy Madeline Máirín Onuralp Peck Sezer Siddharth Vipul bt0 davdunc nb pbokoc riecatnor[m]
20:02:05 <riecatnor[m]> #info About Mindshare: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/
20:02:09 <davdunc[m> Hello!
20:02:09 <riecatnor[m]> #topic Hello
20:02:23 <davdunc[m> .hello2
20:02:23 <zodbot> davdunc[m: Error: Missing "]".  You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
20:02:24 <riecatnor[m]> hi davdunc & bt0 ! how are you doin today?
20:02:28 <riecatnor[m]> .hello riecatnor
20:02:29 <zodbot> riecatnor[m]: riecatnor 'Marie Nordin' <mnordin@redhat.com>
20:02:32 <bt0> .hello bt0dotninja
20:02:33 <zodbot> bt0: bt0dotninja 'Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez' <hotgalan@gmail.com>
20:02:35 <davdunc[m> oops.
20:02:36 <bt0> hi
20:03:02 <davdunc> .hello2
20:03:03 <zodbot> davdunc: davdunc 'David Duncan' <davdunc@amazon.com>
20:03:22 <davdunc> hi riecatnor[m] doing great! how are you?
20:03:25 <mizmo> o/
20:03:48 <riecatnor[m]> I am doing ok- turns out I was putting off a bunch of meetings until "after nest" and now im paying for that lol
20:03:58 * davdunc hah. I know that feeling!
20:04:02 <riecatnor[m]> three days of meetings p much straight through
20:04:12 <riecatnor[m]> heya Máirín Duffy :)
20:05:00 <riecatnor[m]> #topic announcements and information
20:05:35 <riecatnor[m]> #info there are some changes around licensing in Fedora packages, check out mattdm's blog post to learn more
20:05:44 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/important-changes-to-software-license-information-in-fedora-packages-spdx-and-more/
20:05:58 <VipulSiddharth[m> .hello sidddharthvipul1
20:06:00 <riecatnor[m]> #info the Fedora Linux 38 development schedule is out thanks to bcotton
20:06:00 <zodbot> VipulSiddharth[m: Sorry, but user 'sidddharthvipul1' does not exist
20:06:04 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-linux-38-development-schedule/
20:06:12 * VipulSiddharth[m is sleepy and shouldn't be here rn
20:06:54 <riecatnor[m]> #info there is a new "Feature Spotlight" article effort underway, make sure to spread the word and encourage folks to submit
20:06:57 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/collecting-ideas-for-feature-spotlight-articles/
20:07:08 <riecatnor[m]> yes Vipul Siddharth i was wondering what you are doing here :P
20:07:20 <VipulSiddharth[m> Same 🤣
20:07:23 <bt0> lol
20:07:47 <riecatnor[m]> #info Fedora Week of Diversity is looking for volunteers for all different types of tasks from writing, to design, to video editors, etc
20:07:50 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fwd-2022-call-for-volunteers/
20:08:20 <riecatnor[m]> #info volunteers needed for long term Fedora Badges maintenance!
20:08:26 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-badges-long-term-maintenance-discussion/41109
20:08:36 <mizmo> what kind of video editors are needed for FWD
20:08:49 <riecatnor[m]> Isabella Gordillo: around?
20:09:13 <riecatnor[m]> I think Isabella Gordillo is working on that with a couple folks from the DEI team and could tell you more
20:09:23 <mizmo> We have a brilliant new community designer, Vic, who might be able to help, I'll share this with him
20:09:31 <riecatnor[m]> amazing!
20:09:43 <bt0> awesome
20:09:53 <IsabellaGordillo> Hi
20:10:46 <mizmo> He's been doing great work with video titles that could be used for the Flock recordings: https://gitlab.com/fedora/design/team/media/video/-/issues/1
20:11:03 <mizmo> * recordings: https://gitlab.com/fedora/design/team/media/video/-/issues/1#note_1057572156
20:11:12 <davdunc[m> That's fabulous!
20:11:13 <IsabellaGordillo> riecatnor[m]: Yes so basically we are going to prepare interviews with people for FWD and we might need them to be edited a bit also with a background set up to post on yourtube
20:11:48 <riecatnor[m]> oh nice, re: flock intros. I am working on coordinating the editing of those
20:12:08 <riecatnor[m]> (we pay for that, and cheaply).. is the file ready? cuz I could ask them to add it to the beginning of the videos?
20:12:10 <mizmo> IsabellaGordillo: OK cool so is this a fair assessment of what's needed:
20:12:10 <mizmo> - Template / creation of Thumbnail / titles for YouTube uploads
20:12:10 <mizmo> - Editing the raw video interview recordings down
20:12:10 <mizmo> - Intro/outro clips for videos
20:12:29 <IsabellaGordillo> Exactly Máirín Duffy
20:13:11 <mizmo> riecatnor[m]: We did a review last Fedora Design team meeting and Vic is going to make some edits (he's going to make a nest-specific intro, and a more general Flock intro that can be used if needed)
20:13:18 <mizmo> I can ping you when we have something ready to use though!
20:13:27 <riecatnor[m]> ok sounds good!
20:13:30 <mizmo> (He used Natron btw, great open source special fx tool 🙂 )
20:13:48 <riecatnor[m]> #info the Fedora Design Team is moving to gitlab, read more on discussion.fpo
20:13:59 <mizmo> IsabellaGordillo: OK great. I will create tickets for each of these... I'll add you to the tickets as someone to consult with on them?
20:13:59 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-design-team-moving-to-gitlab-from-pagure/40851
20:14:24 <IsabellaGordillo> That would be great, thank you
20:14:31 <riecatnor[m]> #info the marketing team is hard at work on a campaign for August 2022
20:14:37 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/august-2022-marketing-campaign/40296
20:15:58 <riecatnor[m]> #info there is an active discussion around the future of the fedora project contributor agreement- take a look and add in your voice
20:16:00 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-council-tickets-ticket-410-abolish-fedora-project-contributor-agreement/41095/1
20:16:47 <riecatnor[m]> ok I think that's all I have for announcements and info today- anyone have more to add?
20:19:09 * mizmo trying to think if theres anything
20:19:40 <mizmo> I don't think so
20:19:50 <mizmo> Well, it might be of interest -
20:20:15 <mizmo> in Fedora Design we're looking at updating the icons for the Fedora channels + figuring out how to make a sticker pack out of our mascot artwork
20:20:38 <riecatnor[m]> thats rad
20:20:39 <mizmo> And this will hopefully align with a Fedora marketing initative to spruce up our social media artwork (in many cases we should be able to use similar if not the same graphic assets)
20:20:49 <riecatnor[m]> is there a link to a ticket, Mo?
20:21:00 <mizmo> Yep! there's a few, let me dig 'em up
20:21:18 <mizmo> This is the ticket for the collab with the marketing team on social media graphic assets: https://gitlab.com/fedora/design/team/requests/-/issues/3
20:21:30 <riecatnor[m]> #info the Fedora Design is looking at updating the icons for the Fedora channels + figuring out how to make a sticker pack out of our mascot artwork
20:21:34 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/design/team/requests/-/issues/3
20:22:06 <mizmo> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/reorganization-ideas/41166  <= this is a discussion.fpo thread on the matrix spruce-up, it has links to the relevant tickets
20:22:14 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/reorganization-ideas/41166
20:22:20 * osezer[m] says hi and looking for chair and with his cup of tea
20:22:24 <mizmo> (sorry, I'm bad with meetbot ☹️ )
20:22:32 <riecatnor[m]> heya Onuralp Sezer
20:22:35 <riecatnor[m]> no worries :) i gotcha
20:23:16 <riecatnor[m]> ok, moving forward ok?
20:23:22 <mizmo> One more thing -
20:23:30 <riecatnor[m]> sure :)
20:23:35 <mizmo> we're trying (using gitlab) to organize Fedora Design Team work into larger cohesive "epics"
20:23:37 <mizmo> https://gitlab.com/groups/fedora/design/-/epics
20:23:59 <mizmo> We'll always have ongoing incoming small ticket work here and there but we are trying to track larger / longer-term initiatives a little bit better
20:24:01 <mizmo> so this is how we're trying to do it
20:24:25 <riecatnor[m]> i like it!
20:24:44 <riecatnor[m]> a related Q: did the tickets from the pagure design queue get translated to gitlab?
20:24:46 <mizmo> I am going to put the social media/matrix sprucing up work as a "External communications spruce-up" or smtg like that. that's a terrible name. Give it a better name but. The broader initative is to spruce up our branding in public areas
20:25:09 * osezer[m] likes colors of labels of github epics for fedora design
20:25:19 <riecatnor[m]> #info the Design Team is working on organizing their large initiatives into cohesive "epics", check out their work on gitlab
20:25:19 <IsabellaGordillo> Thank you for sending that link, marketing team is trying to do the same with "epics" and I was not too familiar with how to set it up.
20:25:25 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://gitlab.com/groups/fedora/design/-/epics
20:25:28 <mizmo> riecatnor[m]: No ☹️ I tried writing a script to automate it but the GitLab API will only let me transfer over ticket name, ticket description and that's it 😕 so I manually copied some ones I knew were not yet picked up and needed
20:25:32 * osezer[m] * likes colors of labels of gitlab epics for fedora design
20:25:46 <riecatnor[m]> gotcha gotcha.
20:25:55 <bt0> right
20:26:11 <mizmo> I did make a full backup of the design pagure just in case. So I do have a copy of all the assets and ticket info (in a format gitlab can't import haha) but it does exist outside of pagure now
20:26:22 <mizmo> Happy to show anyone the trick of doing that if needed for their own repos
20:26:37 <mizmo> ok that's what i got 🙂
20:26:47 <riecatnor[m]> and it was a LOT of really cool stuff, thank you for sharing
20:26:55 <riecatnor[m]> #topic today's agenda
20:27:00 <riecatnor[m]> anyone have specific things to discuss today?
20:27:17 <riecatnor[m]> I wanted to hear folks feedback about how nest went, anything about the organization, the platform, anything else
20:27:48 <bt0> not from me
20:27:54 <riecatnor[m]> and also, I had an idea for something design related that could use some workshopping and input from mindshare
20:28:40 <riecatnor[m]> ok lets jump into it then, if anyone has additional topics, feel free to raise them
20:28:45 <riecatnor[m]> #topic Nest with Fedora 2022 feedback
20:29:03 <riecatnor[m]> we hit 1011 registrations, breaking last years record! I was really excited and proud about that
20:29:11 <riecatnor[m]> we have continued to defy virtual event trends, which is huge
20:29:50 <riecatnor[m]> i had taken some other notes about the event, specific to hopin
20:29:54 <riecatnor[m]> Need the ability to turn off notifications for Polls globally
20:30:09 <riecatnor[m]> i think everyone was getting pinged everytime a poll went up, which was annoying
20:30:30 <riecatnor[m]> Users should be able to remove recommended sessions from their agenda
20:30:56 <riecatnor[m]> i guess if it was recommended, it wouldnt come off your agenda in hopin.. people didn't like that bc they were trying to sync the calendar in hopin to their personal calendars
20:31:27 <bt0> +1 Need the ability to turn off notifications for Polls globally (that was very odd)
20:31:35 <riecatnor[m]> one other annoying thing that happened was, one session had a Youtube video playing, when people went to other sessions, it followed them until they refreshed their page
20:31:45 <riecatnor[m]> (it happened to me and it was very confusing)
20:33:05 <riecatnor[m]> other than that.. i think it went very well :) Isa and I are working on event wrap up
20:33:38 <riecatnor[m]> does anyone else have feedback about the event? things we could do differently? complaints about hopin?
20:33:49 <riecatnor[m]> things we did well? ;)
20:34:40 <riecatnor[m]> bt0: apparently you could turn it off as an individual, but it was not obvious how to do so
20:34:51 <bt0> ohhh
20:35:14 <riecatnor[m]> but i really think it should just be an opt in notification under the Polls tab
20:35:29 <riecatnor[m]> or button- i think thats what I meant lol
20:35:41 <bt0> ok
20:35:42 <VipulSiddharth[m> Yeah
20:35:42 <VipulSiddharth[m> With so many notifications, things were a bit distracting during my talk
20:35:42 <VipulSiddharth[m> Recently my focus has been down anyway :p
20:36:03 <riecatnor[m]> yeah, it was very distracting if you were trying to present!
20:36:54 <riecatnor[m]> anything else?
20:38:14 <bt0> not really I loved see you and the talks
20:38:20 <osezer[m]> <riecatnor[m]> "one other annoying thing that..." <- Thanks to this, we were able to share our beats :)
20:38:53 <riecatnor[m]> lol, you mean you infected people with your beats heheheh
20:39:24 <osezer[m]> Infected no , we were just being cool and make them cooler
20:40:02 <riecatnor[m]> thank you for being cool 😎😎
20:40:51 <osezer[m]> Then thank you too be being awesome fcaic and all your things you done you are the coolest
20:40:58 <riecatnor[m]> awwwwwwwwwww
20:41:05 <riecatnor[m]> 🥲🥲🥲
20:41:25 <riecatnor[m]> im happy to close the topic there lol!
20:42:05 <riecatnor[m]> #topic design related idea from riecatnor
20:42:06 <bt0> you are doing an amazing work, every good thing on the flock was bc you Marie :)
20:42:21 * mizmo catching up - kiddie issue at home
20:42:47 <riecatnor[m]> no worries- tho I hope you can give input on the next idea i have
20:43:20 <mizmo> Yep!
20:43:44 <riecatnor[m]> so, i have been mentoring a badges design intern.. tho her school started a bit earlier than hoped, and she has a lot going on in order to place for an internship next year. bc of that, all of the work slated for the internship wont be completed
20:43:44 <mizmo> I loved Nest, my only feedback is I wish I had a log of the chat during each session in the replay
20:43:54 <riecatnor[m]> mizmo: oh, I might have that
20:44:01 <riecatnor[m]> but not in replay
20:44:04 <riecatnor[m]> :/
20:44:25 <mizmo> That's ok, was just wanting to make sure I didnt miss any questions during the session i did
20:44:30 <osezer[m]> Also a download  button for chat log
20:44:35 <riecatnor[m]> mizmo: would you like me to send a log for that?
20:44:54 <mizmo> riecatnor[m]: That would be awesome - thank yoj!!
20:45:01 <mizmo> * That would be awesome - thank you!!
20:45:09 <riecatnor[m]> you got it
20:45:15 <riecatnor[m]> ok.. back to my idea, still laying the ground work ;)
20:45:39 <riecatnor[m]> i also went to the friendly fedora session at Nest, which was SO cool.. i was thinking it really should have been longer than a half hour
20:45:48 <riecatnor[m]> that was a usability session
20:46:03 <riecatnor[m]> we also have the marketing revival going on
20:46:15 <riecatnor[m]> and the websites revamp work beyond the usability stuff
20:46:29 <riecatnor[m]> and of course, the fedora wallpaper
20:46:36 <riecatnor[m]> so I was wondering about doing some kind of "Fedora Week of Design"
20:46:51 <riecatnor[m]> where we have a coordinated effort to sprint on a variety of these projects
20:47:11 <riecatnor[m]> maybe in like.. october/november?
20:47:21 <mizmo> thats an awesome idea!
20:47:39 <riecatnor[m]> we could promote that we're doing it.. and when i mentioned it to some others, they were like "you should do tutorials, i want to learn more about inkscape"
20:47:43 <riecatnor[m]> or really any design software
20:47:59 <mizmo> maybe first day is tutorials?
20:48:04 <riecatnor[m]> love it
20:48:09 <mizmo> inkscape, penpot, gimp, natron, kdelive, whatever
20:48:22 <bt0> great idea
20:48:28 <bt0> a tutorial day
20:48:34 <mizmo> maybe then we align fedora projects to each tool the second day for a hackfest
20:48:54 <riecatnor[m]> yes like if you are interested in penpot- work on websites
20:48:57 <mizmo> so if you do natron/kdenlive then you can work on editing videos for example
20:49:01 <riecatnor[m]> inkscape- clear the design queue or work on badges
20:49:04 <mizmo> penpot => websites yep
20:49:12 <mizmo> inkscape can be badges and icons
20:49:51 <riecatnor[m]> ok, so peeps are on board! awesome :) ik this is very design centric.. but i think it might be cool to attempt to include the rest of fedora in a couple ways
20:50:13 <riecatnor[m]> like, do you want an icon or logo for your project, submit it prior to this week of design
20:50:14 <mizmo> yep! i think the product owners / teams the design projects are for can participate too
20:50:16 <riecatnor[m]> and i think we will need some help from the marketing team
20:50:17 <bt0> cool
20:50:41 <riecatnor[m]> i really like the idea of the usability testing, at least a couple sessions, that would be a great way to have anyone participate
20:50:42 <osezer[m]> mizmo: and maybe upload them to youtube plus create dedicated playlist for those section too ?
20:51:13 <mizmo> we actually have a peertube series of video tutorials we've been building up
20:51:35 <riecatnor[m]> is that something you see going to the fedora youtube account, Mo?
20:51:42 <riecatnor[m]> or do you want to keep it to peertube
20:52:04 <mizmo> i havent moved them all over but
20:52:04 <mizmo> https://peertube.linuxrocks.online/c/fedora_design/videos?s=1
20:52:28 <osezer[m]> I like peertube but for popularity It would be nice to have on youtube too ? (just in idea)
20:52:36 <bt0> if you want i can upload to the fedora channel
20:52:58 <mizmo> osezer[m]: Yeh theyre mirrored on my personal yt acct
20:53:01 <riecatnor[m]> i think it would be cool to reach out to some communities outside of Fedora about it as well- like Open Source Design, and some of the communities around the open tools
20:53:12 <bt0> +1
20:53:29 <mizmo> I know a few Inkscape folks who might be interested
20:53:39 <mizmo> Maybe we could invite Penpot folks? I have some contacts with them
20:53:50 <riecatnor[m]> so many awesome ideas :D
20:54:29 <mizmo> I think Seth from opensource.com would be a good person to ask to do a kdenlive tutorial
20:54:39 <TheExorcist[m]> I would ask for complete GIMP tutorial
20:54:47 <riecatnor[m]> mizmo: I wonder if it would be cool with you to either add them to the fedora youtube directly, or maybe it makes more sense to make a playlist by the fedora project account with them on there?
20:54:54 <mizmo> TheExorcist[m]: What kind of stuff would you like to make w Gimp?
20:55:34 <mizmo> riecatnor[m]: Absolutely, whatever you think is the best way. I dont rhink i have access to the Fedora yt acct, but I can throw them somewhere downloadable
20:55:39 <osezer[m]> riecatnor[m]: had to be re upload I just checked too
20:55:48 <TheExorcist[m]> photoshop kind, some nice pics for websites
20:55:54 <mizmo> Maybe jimmac would be willing to do a Blender tutorial
20:55:56 <riecatnor[m]> We could create some recommended resources for the week of design, because i feel like we wont be able to cover every thing although we might want to :)
20:56:03 <TheExorcist[m]> layered jpgs too
20:56:18 <mizmo> riecatnor[m]: Yeh I think we should align the tutorials to the work needed
20:56:47 <mizmo> TheExorcist[m]: thats a great idea
20:57:04 <IsabellaGordillo> <riecatnor[m]> "maybe in like.. october/november..." <- Sidenote for Timeline: I feel like November would be the best time because I think F37 release is scheduled for October and so is Fedora Week of Diversity.
20:57:21 <osezer[m]> I wish to see more blender design or tutorial or certain topics (I like new design around blender )
20:57:30 <osezer[m]> * or certain blender topics (I
20:57:35 <riecatnor[m]> good point Isa
20:58:08 <riecatnor[m]> I think i'd even push it out further if we needed the correct amount of time to plan.. and so that a lot of Fedora design people can participate, we want to get it on peoples calendars very early
20:58:27 <riecatnor[m]> * I think i'd even push it out further bc we need ample amount of time to plan.. and so that a lot of Fedora design people can participate, we want to get it on peoples calendars very early
20:58:50 <IsabellaGordillo> Maybe we could do it in January...Kind of welcome  to the new year time to learn new things...
20:59:15 <riecatnor[m]> we are getting close to time.. don't want to keep people too late! but i am glad people are excited about this idea and I would really like to be part of coordination and also I want to push forward the badges work, ofc ;)
20:59:24 <mizmo> its a great idea
20:59:38 <bt0> :)
20:59:39 <osezer[m]> riecatnor[m]: I wish we had  Universal Fedora Time Coordinated (UFTC) :)
20:59:51 <riecatnor[m]> so, I will take these notes and drop them into a hackmd. I wonder if it would make sense to make a Design Team ticket for this? A Mindshare ticket? maybe both?
21:00:15 <mizmo> Lets do a mindshare ticket. Are those in gitlab now or pagure still?
21:00:16 <riecatnor[m]> still in pagure
21:00:29 <riecatnor[m]> i can open the ticket (probably next week tho, i have tomorrow off)
21:00:37 <mizmo> kk. I can make an epic in the design gitlab to track on our end
21:00:46 <mizmo> would it be run on hopin?
21:00:54 <riecatnor[m]> we could, but it doesnt have to be
21:01:02 <mizmo> or would we do it on meet?
21:01:08 <mizmo> ok smtg to think abt
21:01:17 <riecatnor[m]> yep, each tool has its pros and cons for sure
21:01:27 <riecatnor[m]> thanks everyone for the discussion today!
21:01:32 <riecatnor[m]> have a great rest of your day :)
21:01:35 <osezer[m]> Thanks Marie
21:01:40 <mizmo> thanks :-)
21:01:45 <riecatnor[m]> #endmeeting