13:00:29 <riecatnor[m]> #startmeeting Mindshare
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13:00:33 <riecatnor[m]> #meetingname Mindshare
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13:01:09 <riecatnor[m]> #chair Alberto Rodríguez Sánchez Vipul Siddharth Máirín Duffy pbokoc Till Maas Onuralp Sezer nb relrod_
13:01:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: Alberto Duffy Maas Máirín Onuralp Rodríguez Sezer Siddharth Sánchez Till Vipul nb pbokoc relrod_ riecatnor[m]
13:01:16 <riecatnor[m]> #info About Mindshare: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/
13:01:21 <riecatnor[m]> #topic Hello
13:01:33 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Hello
13:01:47 <riecatnor[m]> good morning/afternoon/evening :)
13:01:54 <riecatnor[m]> hiya Alberto Rodríguez Sánchez how are you doin today?
13:02:09 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Morning :)
13:02:13 <riecatnor[m]> I got a regrettably short amount of sleep last night, oops
13:03:05 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Ohh, I'm good
13:03:38 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Sleep is important
13:03:49 <riecatnor[m]> i agree lol
13:04:11 <AlbertoRodrguezS> :p
13:04:14 <riecatnor[m]> sleep has been elusive for a while now- luckily i am a pro at napping
13:05:06 <TillMaas[m]> .hello till
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13:05:16 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Amazing 😁 that is a great skill
13:05:17 <TillMaas[m]> .hello tyll
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13:05:28 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Umm
13:05:30 <tyll> .hello till
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13:05:45 <tyll> ok, so it is not matrix
13:06:03 <riecatnor[m]> hey tyll
13:06:24 <riecatnor[m]> .hello riecatnor
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13:06:52 <riecatnor[m]> hmmm
13:07:09 <AlbertoRodrguezS> :(
13:07:26 <AlbertoRodrguezS> The meeting commands works fine
13:07:35 <riecatnor[m]> #topic announcements and information
13:07:45 <riecatnor[m]> #info F36 Beta freeze begins on Tuesday 22 February.
13:07:55 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Milestone_freezes
13:07:58 <riecatnor[m]> #info Call for projects and mentors for GSoC 2022 is open
13:08:04 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/call-for-projects-and-mentors-gsoc-2022/
13:08:11 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://pagure.io/mentored-projects/issues
13:08:16 <riecatnor[m]> #info Schedule for Fedora 37 released
13:08:23 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-linux-37-schedule
13:08:33 <riecatnor[m]> #info openSUSE conference CfP now open until April 14th 2022
13:08:37 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://events.opensuse.org/conferences/oSC22
13:08:45 <riecatnor[m]> #info devconf.US CfP now open until April 15th
13:08:49 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://www.devconf.info/us/
13:10:10 <riecatnor[m]> #info there is an active thread on a Social Media plan, be aware and contribute to the conversation if desired
13:10:13 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/social-media-plan/35933
13:10:57 <riecatnor[m]> thats it from me. any more info or announcements to share today?
13:13:00 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Not here
13:13:12 <riecatnor[m]> #topic today's agenda
13:13:41 <riecatnor[m]> I have a couple tickets I would like to bring, anyone have topics to discuss today?
13:14:48 <AlbertoRodrguezS> No
13:14:51 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Here
13:15:00 <riecatnor[m]> ok I will move forward :)
13:15:02 <riecatnor[m]> #topic tickets
13:15:05 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/316
13:17:12 <riecatnor[m]> I think this is a good thing for us to sponsor. I see Mariana Balla has provided Covid info as well
13:17:15 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Oscal is a great event
13:17:34 <riecatnor[m]> a side note: I got a response from RH legal yesterday about event policy stuff, so I will be incorporating their feedback this week
13:17:45 <riecatnor[m]> I hope to have something finalized by end of february
13:17:54 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Cool
13:18:11 <TillMaas[m]> The banners and table cloths should probably be updated for the new logo - also, is the fedorator still working? It seemed not to be maintained anymore
13:18:24 <riecatnor[m]> I was thinking the same thing about the banners/tableclothes
13:18:48 <riecatnor[m]> good question about the fedorator, but my guess is it works ok if they have maintained it well?
13:19:08 <TillMaas[m]> I mean the software on it was not updated anymore but maybe it is maintained again
13:19:12 <riecatnor[m]> ahh
13:19:20 <riecatnor[m]> thank you for the context
13:19:57 <TillMaas[m]> regarding the banners, it would be great when new ones are created, that the logo is at the top and not at the bottom IMHO - in the past they were at the bottom, making them hard to spot from a distance
13:20:20 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Good point
13:20:28 <TillMaas[m]> or it was the Fedora name
13:20:35 <TillMaas[m]> (that was at the bottom)
13:20:49 <riecatnor[m]> great feedback, I am going to add a to do to work on new banners
13:21:26 <TillMaas[m]> https://marianaballa.com/assets/img/OSCAL2019_Fedora_release_party.jpg is a good illustration about the problem :-)
13:21:28 <riecatnor[m]> * new banners & tableclothes
13:23:10 <riecatnor[m]> it told me the link is unsafe and is now taking forever to load
13:23:46 <riecatnor[m]> or won't load at all? 😅
13:23:55 <TillMaas[m]> yes, I needed to get rid of the warning, too - it is an image from the writeup that is linked in the ticket
13:25:33 <riecatnor[m]> I found this: https://pagure.io/design/issue/607
13:26:23 <riecatnor[m]> not sure if that is what I even remember seeing around.. either way it is outdated
13:26:33 <riecatnor[m]> I think it would be beneficial to open a ticket with the design team
13:26:41 <AlbertoRodrguezS> +1
13:27:02 <riecatnor[m]> and what about the tablecloths? what have we done in the past
13:27:38 <TillMaas[m]> There have been at least two different types in Europe, one in blue and one in white
13:28:09 <riecatnor[m]> I think blue might be nicer, less likely to show marks
13:28:21 <riecatnor[m]> also very Fedora :)
13:28:52 <TillMaas[m]> I guess best would be to match both banners and cloths
13:28:56 <AlbertoRodrguezS> :)
13:29:23 <riecatnor[m]> what was on the tablecoth? a fedora logo only? embroidered or printed?
13:30:24 <riecatnor[m]> a good thing to keep in mind is the color availability for the tablecloths could limit us, but let's hope they have a perfect fedora blue available :D
13:30:47 <TillMaas[m]> it was printed, I believe the white one had the "bubbles"
13:31:01 <riecatnor[m]> gotcha- the four foundations
13:31:05 <TillMaas[m]> I can try to find pictures
13:31:23 <riecatnor[m]> cool, thank you
13:31:42 <riecatnor[m]> I can open a ticket with the design team for both things since they should be designed to match
13:32:51 <TillMaas[m]> seems there was also a black one in the US: https://twitter.com/JenInnovate/status/1030445369744928769
13:33:10 <TillMaas[m]> https://twitter.com/JenInnovate/status/957203921445052416 - this is the blue one in Europe
13:33:33 <TillMaas[m]> https://twitter.com/TillMaas/status/794847241366306816 - I believe this was just a flag, so still need to find the cloth
13:33:59 <riecatnor[m]> its @bookwar :D
13:34:18 <riecatnor[m]> these are all very helpful- I will add to the ticket
13:34:23 <TillMaas[m]> https://twitter.com/dummdida/status/898841189335662593/photo/1 I guess this was the white one and my memory was wrong
13:34:56 <riecatnor[m]> I actually kind of like the black one- especially with the new logo color, could be really nice
13:35:31 <riecatnor[m]> but, I am open to the guidance of the design team since our brand has been evolving.. it might not fit
13:35:57 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Yes please, a black one sounds great
13:36:55 <TillMaas[m]> for me the white one seemed to be most friendly to be honest but also most sensitive
13:37:41 <riecatnor[m]> I see your point. Blue might be the right compromise.  I will add these pros/cons to the design ticket as well
13:38:37 <riecatnor[m]> ok, I think we have covered the banner/tablecloth enough to kick all that off. any other thoughts about OSCAL?
13:38:58 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Not really
13:40:05 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/314
13:41:41 <riecatnor[m]> So, I need to point out that we need to move the majority of these tshirts asap.. and I don't think they need to be so exclusive. I am working on the logistics ideas and questions we had the last time we discussed the tshirts
13:42:19 <riecatnor[m]> I also think the ideas from your comment, Tyll, are a bit exclusive in their own way.. there are a lot of folks not doing test events, or high on the leaderboard, or doing packaging
13:42:20 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Right
13:42:58 <riecatnor[m]> dividing it by time zone makes sense to me and I am trying to make that happen.. I also think requiring a fedora email makes sense
13:44:14 <TillMaas[m]> The benefit of giving them away to some groups earlier is that it adds some additional recognition to these groups and allows to get starting
13:44:21 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Ok, the QA guys deserved a t-shirt also the good packagers
13:44:48 <TillMaas[m]> we can also give one already to each mentor, too
13:44:55 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Maybe we can reserve some t-shirts for this guys
13:45:19 <AlbertoRodrguezS> And looking for a less exclusive way to give the rest
13:45:22 <riecatnor[m]> I think then it should just go out to all teams in some fashion?
13:45:50 <riecatnor[m]> like why recognize those groups and not others is my question
13:46:40 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Good point too
13:47:05 <riecatnor[m]> we could ship out like.. 650.. and then I can plan to give them individually to people who missed out (many people contacted me after nest swag pack asking for a code)
13:47:42 <TillMaas[m]> it would be good for us to get clear on some priorities in general, to help us with priority decisions - like objectives but just for Mindshare.
13:49:35 <riecatnor[m]> that could be useful
13:49:43 <OnuralpSezer[m]> riecatnor[m]: You should also get a gift as well for handling shipmenthell
13:49:51 <riecatnor[m]> I am not too worried about non-fedorans getting these shirts tbh
13:49:53 <OnuralpSezer[m]> And badge as well  :)
13:49:57 <riecatnor[m]> as long as it gets to the core contributors
13:50:16 <riecatnor[m]> the tshirts are out there in the world and that is a good thing
13:50:17 <AlbertoRodrguezS> :)
13:50:23 <AlbertoRodrguezS> I love badges
13:51:22 <riecatnor[m]> if receiving a tshirt reaches a user I think that is also an ok outcome, it will increase their brand affinity
13:51:30 <riecatnor[m]> s/receiving//
13:52:56 <TillMaas[m]> yes, in the end it is good to get them out. At the same time it provides an opportunity to guide some attention to certain areas such as test days and also integrate the CoreOS t-shirt request (if we sponsor just all test days with shirts)
13:53:53 <riecatnor[m]> sponsoring all test days with tshirts is a good idea in theory, but puts more work and coordination on my plate.
13:54:41 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Thats right too
13:55:02 <TillMaas[m]> can we help you with this or is it something that only you can do?
13:56:29 <riecatnor[m]> I'm not sure.. it would depend on my events support peoples willingness to interface in the community directly
13:57:23 <riecatnor[m]> when I think about it more, I'd rather have this team focused on other things than managing swag requests? the time you all spend is more valuable in other places imo
13:58:24 <riecatnor[m]> ok, we are almost at time.. plenty of good ideas to think about from todays convo
13:59:10 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Yeah
13:59:30 <TillMaas[m]> I was hoping that we could improve the t-shirt distribution in a way that it is not that much effort to do it in a targeted way
14:01:29 <riecatnor[m]> i hear you.. the problem is that Fedora is so big, its very hard to recognize one thing without asking well why aren't we doing it for that other team? so I agree it might be good to establish how we want to deal with this.. the FCAIC capacity is certainly a factor as well.
14:02:04 <riecatnor[m]> my thought is figuring out how much budget can go to these kind of "extra" requests and then do first come first serve
14:02:50 <TillMaas[m]> IMHO we should also have some understanding about our priorities and do some kind of steering
14:03:16 <riecatnor[m]> this would be more well suited to a video session, imo
14:03:22 <riecatnor[m]> maybe its time for another virtual F2F session
14:03:25 <TillMaas[m]> so for example if we agree that mentoring should be improved, then we should see how to make this a Mindshare objective and use the budget to work in this area
14:04:14 <AlbertoRodrguezS> +1
14:04:38 <riecatnor[m]> ok we are definitely over ;) and I have a call in a few mins
14:04:45 <riecatnor[m]> thanks for the discussion, have a great day!
14:04:47 <riecatnor[m]> #endmeeting