20:01:21 <riecatnor[m]> #startmeeting Mindshare
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20:01:25 <riecatnor[m]> #meetingname Mindshare
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20:02:16 <riecatnor[m]> #chair bt0dotninja Vipul Siddharth Máirín Duffy pbokoc Onuralp Sezer Till Maas nb relrod_
20:02:16 <zodbot> Current chairs: Duffy Maas Máirín Onuralp Sezer Siddharth Till Vipul bt0dotninja nb pbokoc relrod_ riecatnor[m]
20:02:19 <riecatnor[m]> #info About Mindshare: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/
20:02:23 <riecatnor[m]> #topic Hello
20:02:36 <riecatnor[m]> hi Mindshare! how's everyone doin today?
20:03:12 <MadelinePeck[m]> Ugh alright but frustrated. Calibrated my tablet pen because it was slightly off and now its worse 😩
20:03:36 <MadelinePeck[m]> But at least its sunny and mindshare time :)
20:03:39 <riecatnor[m]> urghhh
20:04:02 <riecatnor[m]> I am better than I was bc I tested negative for covid today!
20:04:35 <MadelinePeck[m]> Yay!!!
20:04:49 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Hello everyone
20:05:03 <riecatnor[m]> yes, I was sick for almost 3 weeks :( finally feeling better
20:05:09 <riecatnor[m]> hi Alberto Rodríguez Sánchez !
20:05:24 <AlbertoRodrguezS> That is great @riecatnor
20:06:16 <riecatnor[m]> Im feeling good about it :D
20:06:47 <riecatnor[m]> #topic announcements and information
20:06:53 <riecatnor[m]> #info There is a discussion thread in progress to talk about Fedora's 2022 contributor conference. Check it out and comment!
20:06:58 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/2022-contributor-conference-community-feedback-requested/36359
20:07:07 <riecatnor[m]> #info x3mboy is working on a Marketing Team revival, read more about it and how to get involved on the CommBlog
20:07:09 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/lets-try-to-do-marketing-as-a-team-again/
20:07:17 <riecatnor[m]> #info join the Fedora Linux 36 Test Week for Kernel 5.16, going on now January 23rd-29th
20:07:20 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/contribute-at-the-fedora-linux-36-test-week-for-kernel-5-16/
20:07:29 <riecatnor[m]> #info Open Source 101 2022 (virtual) CfP now open through February 4th
20:07:33 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://opensource101.com/call-for-papers/
20:07:46 <riecatnor[m]> #info Open Source Summit 2022 (in person & virtual) CfP now open through March 14th
20:07:47 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://events.linuxfoundation.org/open-source-summit-north-america/program/cfp/
20:07:52 <riecatnor[m]> #info DevConf.CZ is tomorrow & Saturday January 28th & 29th! Fedorans will be there doing presentations and hanging out
20:07:59 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://hopin.com/events/devconf-cz-2022
20:08:04 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://devconfcz2022.sched.com/
20:08:09 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-at-devconf-cz/36192/2
20:08:46 <riecatnor[m]> #info FOSDEM is next week February 5th & 6th, there will be Fedora social sessions on each day, more info to come
20:08:47 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://fosdem.org/2022/
20:09:30 <riecatnor[m]> phew, so much info today
20:09:43 <riecatnor[m]> anyone have stuff to add?
20:10:11 * mizmo not me
20:10:55 <riecatnor[m]> #info Fedora & CentOS are looking at teaming up to revitalize Docs, discussion thread in progress
20:11:00 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-and-centos-docs-revitalization/36353/4
20:12:37 <riecatnor[m]> #topic today's agenda
20:12:48 <riecatnor[m]> anyone have things to add to todays agenda?
20:13:32 <mizmo> not from these chickens
20:13:41 * mizmo obscure muppets joke
20:13:49 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Not from me
20:14:12 <riecatnor[m]> okay cool, I will take it away then :)
20:14:33 <riecatnor[m]> #topic event funding
20:14:41 <riecatnor[m]> instead of going into each ticket, I will give a general update
20:15:25 <riecatnor[m]> I have been going back and forth with both legal and events to make sure everyone understands the requirements of what we need to approve funding. I actually just got off a call with legal and they are going to help write up better documentation for us to use
20:16:03 <riecatnor[m]> SCaLE was pushed out to July so I have asked that requestor to update the budget request
20:16:17 <riecatnor[m]> * to July & moved locations so I
20:16:45 <riecatnor[m]> I had events look at the Campus Party event and we were unable to find any Covid guidance, and the event is larger than the current recommendation for events in Brazil
20:17:09 <riecatnor[m]> I am going to let the requestor have a chance to provide event related covid guidance, that might make a difference
20:17:09 <x3mboy[m]> .hello x3mboy
20:17:10 <zodbot> x3mboy[m]: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
20:17:24 <riecatnor[m]> heya x3mboy !
20:18:18 <riecatnor[m]> I saw there was one more event related ticket opened up, I will comment and let them know we are working on our criteria/documentation for event funding and will get back to them once we have that in place/
20:19:01 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Cool
20:19:01 <riecatnor[m]> as soon as I have a new draft, I will ping Mindshare so we can start reviewing
20:19:34 <x3mboy[m]> !
20:20:04 <x3mboy[m]> We still use that, right?
20:20:20 <riecatnor[m]> I am not sure what you are asking x3mboy
20:20:27 <riecatnor[m]> this is specific to Covid related guidance
20:20:47 <x3mboy[m]> If we ask for permission to talk with !
20:20:51 <riecatnor[m]> ohhh, I dont think so :)
20:21:02 <riecatnor[m]> but, you are welcome to speak
20:21:53 <x3mboy[m]> Ok, I've commented in the flock/nest discussion, and I think we should made a thing (policy could be the word) about events need to comply local policies about covid
20:22:14 <x3mboy[m]> And how those policies could change since the opening of a funding ticket until the event dates
20:22:45 <riecatnor[m]> agreed, x3mboy that will be a part of the documentation absolutely
20:23:02 <x3mboy[m]> Great
20:23:06 <x3mboy[m]> That's my only point
20:23:09 <riecatnor[m]> I think having a standard for safety is also a positive.. like this is the "ideal" set of safety measures, but we have no capability to enforce that
20:23:51 <riecatnor[m]> So I would agree it comes down to local policies and laws
20:24:54 <riecatnor[m]> any other thoughts about event funding?
20:25:16 <mizmo> sounds reasonable
20:25:46 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Sounds good for me
20:25:55 <riecatnor[m]> #topic 2022 contributor conference
20:25:55 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/2022-contributor-conference-community-feedback-requested/36359/3
20:26:17 <riecatnor[m]> i put this into info/announcements but I want to point it out a bit further
20:26:22 <riecatnor[m]> we are looking for community feedback about 2022's contributor conference
20:26:28 <riecatnor[m]> please share that into your team networks
20:26:54 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Right
20:28:59 <riecatnor[m]> Thank you Máirín Duffy for commenting
20:29:30 <riecatnor[m]> do we want to discuss the topic more or should we move forward?
20:30:47 <mizmo> my own personal risk assessment might be extreme but i think a universal observation would be that whenever there is a hybrid event, the virtual attendees get a subpar experience, and if virtual attendees are the highest % thats a lot of folks feeling kinda bad
20:31:02 <mizmo> it kid of sets up a "class" system if that makes sense
20:31:09 <riecatnor[m]> I think the idea behind doing nest + local events is that they would happen at different times
20:31:19 <riecatnor[m]> so local events in advance -> then we all get together for nest
20:31:24 <riecatnor[m]> or the otehr way around.
20:31:31 <mizmo> ahhh that makes sense, i didnt understand that from the post
20:31:32 <riecatnor[m]> I should put taht in
20:31:47 <mizmo> ive seen some confernces for example have some talks virtual and some in person
20:31:48 <mizmo> but all on the same schedule / time table
20:31:56 <mizmo> so like for a 10 am slot one track might be virtual one might be in person, so on and so forth
20:32:14 <mizmo> but if the local events are more of an addition on either end.... i think thats a nice value add for those who are comfortable
20:32:48 <mizmo> and if there were to be multiple smaller ones... it makes it feel less classist (not sure of the right word)
20:32:53 <riecatnor[m]> it would feel more equitable?
20:32:54 <riecatnor[m]> :)
20:33:08 <riecatnor[m]> I think the dependency there is finding volunteers
20:33:15 <mizmo> well it wouldnt for the virtual folks, but it would have less FOMO maybe
20:33:17 <riecatnor[m]> but I had one person already come to me and say they would do it
20:33:37 <mizmo> depending on a hell of a lot of factors i might be willing to do something in boston
20:33:59 <mizmo> but that relies on a rather fragile foundation of a lot of factors being lined up
20:34:04 <riecatnor[m]> Totally
20:34:16 <mizmo> boston in early august is nice outdoors :)
20:35:35 <riecatnor[m]> I have kept my opinion off the thread so that I dont provide bias.. I will share here that my biggest concern is equity & accessibility. After seeing how many people were able to join us during Nest, to not do it doesn't seem like an option. It feels to me like telling everyone we reached that we don't actually care now that the pandemic isnt as bad
20:35:48 <riecatnor[m]> but I also know a lot of people are craving in person, and I myself have had so many amazing experiences at flock.
20:35:52 <riecatnor[m]> ideally, we would have both
20:36:11 <riecatnor[m]> (that becomes a problem of resources, which I am separately working on management about ;) )
20:36:55 <riecatnor[m]> thanks for the discussion, and mindshare peeps please comment on the thread if you haven't already
20:36:59 <riecatnor[m]> #topic FOSDEM
20:37:01 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/309
20:37:56 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://stands.fosdem.org/stands/the_fedora_project/
20:38:17 <riecatnor[m]> I have been working with Vipul Siddharth @marianab & @sumantrom to update this page for 2022's event
20:38:25 <riecatnor[m]> feel free to review and provide feedback if you see changes
20:38:29 <riecatnor[m]> that need to be made*
20:39:05 <riecatnor[m]> there will be dedicated "social hours" for people to come hang out in the Fedora stand chat
20:39:25 <riecatnor[m]> 3PM UTC on both Sat & Sun (10AM EST)
20:40:18 <mizmo> can we have the logo on the page? it seems a big omission
20:40:43 <riecatnor[m]> I think thats possible!
20:40:47 <riecatnor[m]> lemme add a note to the ticket
20:41:02 <mizmo> ok cool i wasnt sure bc i know sometimes sponsorship is required to have a logo displayed at a certain size, etc
20:41:02 <riecatnor[m]> where do you think it should sit?
20:41:37 <mizmo> i would do it as a scalable banner (if possible) maybe behind the "welcome to the fedora project stand"
20:41:50 <mizmo> like have fedora blue as the background there and have the logo above the headline centered middle in white
20:42:38 <riecatnor[m]> sounds good to me. If we cant do scalable?
20:43:02 <riecatnor[m]> do you have a preference if we can't do scalable?* sorry not enough words.
20:43:35 <mizmo> the jumbtron... i would make that fedora blue and then just have a white logo, you wouldnt have to worry about scaling at all because itd be in html
20:44:14 <riecatnor[m]> ok, I am adding these notes
20:45:00 <riecatnor[m]> #topic Fedora tshirts
20:45:00 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/314
20:45:19 <riecatnor[m]> the tshirts have arrived to the cool stuff store! we should get them out
20:45:46 <AlbertoRodrguezS> 😱
20:45:53 <riecatnor[m]> I am getting approvals to do a secondary set of swag shipments (assuming we need to do another around nest)
20:47:15 <riecatnor[m]> but, I don't think we should wait that long to send out the tshirts.. because well, they are really cool and people should have them asap!
20:47:31 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Agree
20:47:38 <riecatnor[m]> on a separate note, I have been told there will be some restrictions on how much inventory we can keep in the Cool Stuff Store at once, so another reason to get them moving
20:48:19 <riecatnor[m]> so I am leaning towards the "Choose a date, create promotional materials, and do a first come, first serve for 750 tee shirts" option
20:48:35 <riecatnor[m]> it would be great if people had the tshirts before the next release party
20:49:21 <riecatnor[m]> thoughts?
20:49:34 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Not here
20:49:49 <mizmo> are there specifics on how many we can have in the store?
20:50:44 <riecatnor[m]> so, the deal there is that they plan to start charging us storage fees. I guess that was being absorbed by another department but the community collections have grown too large. I am pushing back against this- we aren't running a store here, we need to use the Cool Stuff Store for a multitude of reasons
20:50:55 <mizmo> can anyone buy them if not part of the redemption thing? I can't visit the page it gives me a login screen, it seems weird to not be able to just look at it
20:50:58 <riecatnor[m]> so, the pushback comes with "then you will need to have a cap"
20:51:18 <riecatnor[m]> I agree Máirín Duffy we have talked to them about the user experience and it hasnt changed so idk
20:51:46 <riecatnor[m]> so yes, you have to login if you want to view the items regularly
20:51:56 <riecatnor[m]> we would have a promo code like we had for nest for the tshirt drive
20:52:17 <riecatnor[m]> * promo code splash page like we
20:52:36 <mizmo> i wonder if we couldnt stand something up fedora side as a preview and at least let ppl look at whats available before they invest in creating a log in...
20:52:54 <riecatnor[m]> I haven't been given official numbers yet on what the cap looks like.
20:53:11 <riecatnor[m]> and, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. we would just need to stay on top of it if an item runs out
20:53:51 <riecatnor[m]> where do you think it would make sense to put something like that?
20:54:02 <mizmo> maybe the new website
20:54:06 <mizmo> in the meanwhile, maybe a wiki page
20:54:18 <mizmo> it literally could just be a static banner montage of the product photos
20:54:24 <mizmo> "we have products like these...."
20:54:27 <mizmo> and then a click through
20:54:33 <mizmo> but its nuts to have to band aid over smtg like this, grr
20:54:38 <riecatnor[m]> taking the solution into our own hands, I like it
20:54:41 <riecatnor[m]> lol yes
20:54:42 <riecatnor[m]> that as well
20:55:02 <mizmo> this stuff looks great tho riecatnor - i am so excited
20:55:22 <riecatnor[m]> are folks happy with the "Choose a date, create promotional materials, and do a first come, first serve for 750 tee shirts" option
20:55:41 <mizmo> do we want to tie it in with something
20:55:51 <mizmo> like the marketing show us your screenshots camapgin
20:55:58 <riecatnor[m]> right. I was thinking F36 release party but if might be nice for people to be wearing them at the event
20:55:58 <mizmo> campaign
20:56:00 <riecatnor[m]> oooo
20:56:08 <x3mboy[m]> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/share-your-screen-day-planning/35972
20:56:13 <mizmo> or we could monitor badges for first time contributions
20:56:30 <mizmo> and offer them to folks earning their first time badges
20:56:30 <riecatnor[m]> interesting idea, would folks need to share their screen to get a tshirt?
20:56:49 <mizmo> it would be a good way to get participation in the event :)
20:57:03 <riecatnor[m]> x3mboy: thoughts?
20:57:20 <x3mboy[m]> I think is great
20:57:47 <x3mboy[m]> Maybe put a limit
20:57:52 <AlbertoRodrguezS> I don't know, it can be like the "hacktuber fest" bad PR just for a t shirt
20:58:16 <mizmo> maybe they have to have a fas acct too with a contributor badge
20:58:19 <x3mboy[m]> Firts 5 on Twitter and 5 on Instagram?
20:58:23 <mizmo> i mean i guess it depends on the goal right
20:58:46 <mizmo> do we want to reward contributors... or do we want to to reach users
20:58:47 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Yes
20:58:47 <riecatnor[m]> (2 mins time check)
20:58:54 <riecatnor[m]> i think we want to reward contributors
20:58:58 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Contributor first
20:59:41 <x3mboy[m]> FSYS is intended to reach users
20:59:42 <mizmo> so anybody can participate in the screenshot share... if you have a FAS accoutn that was created before Jan 29 when that event starts, and you have a FCA+1 / fedora badge for contributing, then you can get the shirt if you share your screenshot
20:59:47 <x3mboy[m]> Or at least that was my idea
20:59:56 <mizmo> maybe the goals are at odds then
21:00:32 <mizmo> i like having a user focused event too but with swag on the line there is a lot of room for abuse
21:00:34 <riecatnor[m]> mmm, ok, so I think we can do both. Giving away 20 tshirts for the FSYS is a great way to make that more successful
21:00:38 <x3mboy[m]> Yes, I agree
21:00:39 <riecatnor[m]> separately, we should get tshirts to contributors
21:00:43 <mizmo> yeh great idea
21:00:52 <riecatnor[m]> cool! I will add some notes to the thread
21:00:57 <riecatnor[m]> thank you all for a great meeting!
21:01:01 <riecatnor[m]> #endmeeting