16:33:28 <riecatnor> #startmeeting Mindshare
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16:33:32 <riecatnor> #chair bt0dotninja codeblock tyll nb pbokoc riecatnor thunderbirdtr siddharthvipul relrod mizmo @OnuralpSezer[m]
16:33:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: @OnuralpSezer[m] bt0dotninja codeblock mizmo nb pbokoc relrod riecatnor siddharthvipul thunderbirdtr tyll
16:33:35 <riecatnor> #info About Mindshare: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/
16:33:37 <riecatnor> #topic Hello
16:33:39 <riecatnor> does anyone see messages from me?
16:33:44 <pbokoc> Yeah, I see them
16:33:49 <riecatnor> oh hmm, maybe it is working :)
16:34:02 <relrod> o/
16:34:03 <riecatnor> I sent the startmeeting command twice before it worked
16:34:13 <thunderbirdtr> matrix not syncing*
16:34:15 <thunderbirdtr> let you know
16:34:20 <pbokoc> maybe zodbot was just getting coffee :)
16:34:23 <riecatnor> heya pbokoc and relrod and thunderbirdtr !
16:34:33 <riecatnor> yeah, i noticed that it isn't syncing to tg either
16:34:51 <riecatnor> is it supposed to be?
16:35:04 <mizmo[m]> o/
16:35:11 <thunderbirdtr> syncing
16:35:14 <thunderbirdtr> I saw it all
16:35:27 <thunderbirdtr> riecatnor: I think matrix master heard you fixed for you :)))
16:35:36 <nb> Hi
16:35:43 <pbokoc> what's with the irc-tg bridge btw, anyone know? it's been down for ages
16:36:05 <riecatnor> heya nb and mizmo[m] !
16:36:18 <nb> pbokoc jwf|m was moving it to an AWS instance in Fedora Infrastructure's AWS account but then he ran out of time before he was going somewhere and I don't know the status now
16:36:40 <mizmo[m]> pbokoc: irc-tg bridge broke in the freenode => libera shift. libera was disallowing the bridging due to some kind of security policy. i believe it was fixed as of 3-4 weeks ago though?
16:36:41 <nb> our goal was to get it where more than 1 person has access to it
16:37:17 <mizmo[m]> pbokoc:that is, it was working in #fedora-design and still is AFAIK using the Matrix-provided t2bot.io telegram bridge
16:37:20 <mizmo[m]> wrt this channel ymmv
16:37:49 <riecatnor> I had to google ymmy :p
16:37:53 <riecatnor> ymmv*
16:37:58 <pbokoc> right, thanks mizmo[m]
16:38:26 <nb> the teleirc bridge was being blocked for a bit because one of jwf's bridges was broken and kept spamming with reconnects
16:38:43 <nb> but then he fixed that i think, but then he was goingto move them to a AWS instance so multiple people could have access
16:38:46 <riecatnor> afaik, jflory7[m] is almost done with the traveling stuff and should be around a bit more soon
16:39:04 <riecatnor> can't speak for him tho :) Ik he plans to be around for Nest
16:39:06 <thunderbirdtr> well, we can use temp bridge then break once jwf is ready
16:39:26 * nb wonders if he can find tjzabel
16:39:28 <thunderbirdtr> or in this case once AWS instances are ready
16:39:31 <nb> I think he does the teleirc stuff too
16:39:57 <riecatnor> nb, i remember that as well
16:40:06 <nb> I will see if i can find him
16:40:11 <riecatnor> thank you :)
16:40:15 <riecatnor> #topic announcements and information
16:40:56 <riecatnor> #info A new web page is available to find packager sponsers
16:41:01 <riecatnor> #link https://docs.pagure.org/fedora-sponsors/
16:41:43 <riecatnor> #info Nest with Fedora is next week! August 5-7th
16:41:45 <riecatnor> #link https://hopin.com/events/nest-with-fedora-2021
16:41:52 <riecatnor> #info the Nest with Fedora schedule is live
16:42:01 <riecatnor> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Nest_with_Fedora_2021_Schedule#
16:42:36 <riecatnor> #info the Cfp for the upcoming CentOS dojo is open
16:42:40 <riecatnor> #link https://wiki.centos.org/Events/Dojo/October2021
16:43:26 <riecatnor> #info seaGL cfp is open (Seattle GNU/Linux conference)
16:43:32 <riecatnor> #link https://seagl.org/
16:44:05 <riecatnor> #info the cfp for Ohio Linux Fest is also open
16:44:07 <riecatnor> #link https://olfconference.org/call-for-presentations/
16:44:29 <riecatnor> I think that is it from me :)
16:44:47 <OnuralpSezer[m]> I thought more is coming :))
16:45:03 <riecatnor> nope ;)
16:45:21 <riecatnor> #topic Mindshare meeting time
16:45:34 <riecatnor> just wanted to briefly touch on our meeting time and check in with folks to make sure it is still working
16:45:54 <riecatnor> we did not have quorum the last two weeks, but my guess is vacations/summer?
16:46:10 <OnuralpSezer[m]> +1 to me , and yes "summer time stuff for me"
16:47:09 <mizmo[m]> i came in after this time was set
16:47:27 <mizmo[m]> and it can be challenging for me because im wfh w my kids eating lunch
16:47:37 <mizmo[m]> but its tolerable just not ideal
16:48:12 <riecatnor> I also talked to siddharthvipul recently about his schedule and he is attempting to keep a more limited schedule.. totally valid bc of time zone struggles. I wonder if he would be able to make an earlier meeting time
16:49:31 <riecatnor> I think revisiting the time could be good. I will open a ticket so we don't forget to address it (but I probs won't be able to coordinate until after nest)
16:50:00 <riecatnor> on another note- would folks be ok cancelling next weeks meeting?
16:50:12 <mizmo[m]> +1 to cancelling next weeks
16:50:12 <riecatnor> we will be spending a ton of time at nest and Ik most of us are participating
16:50:13 <OnuralpSezer[m]> nest is coming so yeah
16:50:29 <riecatnor> ok cool
16:50:31 <OnuralpSezer[m]> +1
16:50:37 <pbokoc> +1
16:50:40 <bt0dotninja[m]> +1
16:50:40 <riecatnor> I will do that in fedocal and put it in the meeting email
16:50:44 <bt0dotninja[m]> hi
16:50:49 <OnuralpSezer[m]> bt0dotninja: hello o/
16:51:13 <riecatnor> heya bt0dotninja[m] !@
16:51:16 <pbokoc> also regarding the meeting time - while the bridge is down it would be nice if someone pinged the telegram channel when the meeting starts. I missed the last 2 because I forgot what day it was and I didn't get a notification on my cell
16:51:25 <riecatnor> pbokoc, makes sense
16:51:33 <riecatnor> can do :)
16:51:33 <OnuralpSezer[m]> riecatnor: I can handle temp bridge ?
16:51:38 <pbokoc> riecatnor, thanks :)
16:51:40 <OnuralpSezer[m]> I have enough power to do it ?
16:51:45 <riecatnor> OnuralpSezer[m], if it is possible, that would be lovely
16:51:51 <OnuralpSezer[m]> doing right now
16:52:45 <riecatnor> a further note on timing :P I will be taking off the week of august 16-20, so I will cancel that one as well
16:53:09 <riecatnor> #topic tickets
16:53:13 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/286
16:53:25 <riecatnor> everyone ok with the updated mindshare logo?
16:53:28 <riecatnor> if so we can close this ticket
16:53:43 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-design/spot-the-old-logo/issue/26
16:53:45 <thunderbirdtr> yes
16:53:46 <thunderbirdtr> +1
16:54:32 <thunderbirdtr> mizmo[m]:  do you have a picture for here -> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare-committee/ so we can update here as well ?
16:54:41 <mizmo[m]> i clearly have a bias but +1 lol
16:54:46 <thunderbirdtr> :))
16:54:47 <nb> +1
16:55:21 <mizmo[m]> thunderbirdtr: sure lets keep the ticket open so i can export a version for that and set up a pr to update it
16:55:42 <riecatnor> oops I closed it, but re-opened!
16:55:44 <nb> riecatnor are we going to be sending out swag for nest this year?
16:55:55 <riecatnor> nb, yes :)
16:56:00 <nb> YAY!\
16:56:02 <thunderbirdtr> mizmo[m]: If you gonna export from svg, I can handle it ?  as well
16:56:11 <thunderbirdtr> mizmo[m]: and update you ? I can take it? If you like ?
16:56:22 <riecatnor> and I am *really really* excited about the swag pack
16:56:43 * nb wonders what the swag pack will include
16:56:44 <riecatnor> there are items with the new fedora logo, stuff from sponsors :)
16:56:48 <riecatnor> a lot of stickers
16:56:48 <nb> if riecatnor can share or if is surprise
16:56:56 <thunderbirdtr> surprise ?
16:56:58 <mizmo[m]> thunderbirdtr: sure ill export RN and attach the export png to the ticket
16:56:59 <riecatnor> we are looking at 22-23 items, some sponsor things are still making their way
16:57:01 <nb> stickers are good, very good
16:57:16 <riecatnor> I can say some stuff ;)
16:57:39 <thunderbirdtr> are we getting fedorable sticker ? :)
16:57:57 <riecatnor> we had discussed coasters as a committee, that happened, they are cork,it is a set of 4. 2 with the new fedora logo, 2 with the nest logo
16:58:26 <nb> cool
16:58:26 <riecatnor> there will be drinkware with the new logo
16:58:34 <nb> oh wow
16:59:12 * nb wants a new logo shirt
16:59:20 <riecatnor> these are the items with the new logo: Nest coaster set
16:59:20 <riecatnor> 1" Round Fedora Pin
16:59:20 <riecatnor> 2" Fedora logo Sticker
16:59:20 <riecatnor> Blue Fedora Hex Sticker
16:59:20 <riecatnor> Fedora Keycap Sticker Sheet
16:59:20 <riecatnor> Fedora Lanyard
16:59:22 <riecatnor> Four Foundations Bandana
16:59:24 <riecatnor> Tumbler
16:59:39 <thunderbirdtr> bandana....
16:59:42 <riecatnor> ;)
16:59:45 <thunderbirdtr> wouw that's gonna be new
16:59:46 <bt0dotninja[m]> cool
16:59:52 <nb> oh nice
17:00:01 <thunderbirdtr> and tumbler yes !
17:00:20 <riecatnor> Sponsor: Datto sticker
17:00:20 <riecatnor> Sponsor: Lenovo sticker
17:00:20 <riecatnor> Sponsor: Red Hat Sticker
17:00:20 <riecatnor> Sponsor: Red Hat runmebag/Pinnacle Red Hat Pouches
17:00:20 <riecatnor> Sponsor: Alma Linux sticker sheets
17:00:21 <riecatnor> Sponsor: Alma Linux tote bags
17:00:22 <riecatnor> Sponsor: AWS sticker
17:00:24 <riecatnor> Sponsor: AWS RFID card holders
17:00:26 <riecatnor> Sponsor: OpenSUSE sticker
17:00:28 <riecatnor> Sponsor: Shells.com
17:00:36 <riecatnor> you all are getting the lowdown, keep it shhh
17:01:00 <riecatnor> with the old logo:
17:01:01 <riecatnor> Fedora Badges Sticker Sheet
17:01:01 <riecatnor> Fedora Enamel Pin
17:01:01 <riecatnor> Fedora Pride Sticker
17:01:01 <riecatnor> Fedora USB
17:01:40 <nb> nice
17:01:46 <thunderbirdtr> oh my .........
17:02:27 <thunderbirdtr> riecatnor:  they're so many
17:02:54 <riecatnor> I put a bunch of work into coordinating all the new & sponsor items and working with a new vendor to make the experience better
17:03:23 <riecatnor> nb, you are not alone on wanting a shirt :)
17:03:37 <riecatnor> what if we did a shirt around the f35 release party
17:04:49 <nb> I am a bit uncomfortable with us being involved with shells.com
17:05:05 <riecatnor> matthew had multiple calls with Alex before we accepted the sponsorship
17:05:07 <nb> due to the freenode dumpster fire
17:05:26 <relrod> nb++ that scares me a lot
17:05:26 <zodbot> relrod: Karma for nb changed to 28 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:06:20 <riecatnor> nb, i pointed out the same things. Matthew reassured me that shells is distancing itself from the freenode situation and not involved
17:06:39 <riecatnor> if you still feel uncomfortable, may I suggest an email to council-private?
17:07:33 <riecatnor> #topic Mindshare Committee presentation at Nest
17:07:44 <riecatnor> #link https://hackmd.io/p08Mvug2QQWYMYxOWdkAyg?view#Mindshare-Outline
17:08:04 <riecatnor> sumantrom helped me start an outline, and I have on my to do list to make the preso this week
17:08:21 <riecatnor> what I would like to know is who will be able to join for the presentation?
17:08:37 <riecatnor> -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Nest_with_Fedora_2021_Schedule#
17:08:56 <riecatnor> it is on Friday August 6th at 12PM EDT, 4PM UTC
17:09:51 <siddharthvipul> yayy, NEST IS SO CLOSE!! :D
17:10:09 <OnuralpSezer[m]> riecatnor:  I can try but can't promise so I'm 50/50
17:10:17 <nb> riecatnor I plan to be there
17:10:56 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor: I would be there
17:11:55 <riecatnor> awesome :) I would like to not do that on my own
17:12:05 <riecatnor> I will share the preso with the team in advance
17:13:25 <riecatnor> nice, thanks OnuralpSezer[m]
17:13:59 <OnuralpSezer[m]> !tg bridge -1001275649870
17:14:14 <OnuralpSezer[m]> !tg continue
17:14:44 <mizmo[m]> thunderbirdtr: ready for PR altho while we are all here if you have a pref between the two opts now is a good time to make it known 🙂 https://pagure.io/fedora-design/spot-the-old-logo/issue/26#comment-745195
17:14:51 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/285
17:15:03 <riecatnor> oops
17:15:06 <riecatnor> #topic tickets
17:15:07 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/285
17:15:16 <OnuralpSezer[m]> mizmo:  %100 long one :))
17:15:30 <riecatnor> i like that one too
17:15:44 <riecatnor> mizmo[m], did you see this ticket #285?
17:15:53 <riecatnor> should this go to the spot-the-old logo repo?
17:15:56 <mizmo[m]> is stickermule the one we do business with? there was some sticker vendor who had... issues
17:16:20 <pbokoc> ha, perfect!
17:16:23 <riecatnor> i stopped using stickermule a while ago, but the unixstickers thing is like an offshoot afaik?
17:16:30 <mizmo[m]> arch and debian are in all the packs, fedora is only in the ultimate :-p
17:16:45 <mizmo[m]> did they get an ok from us to use our logo?
17:16:49 <AlbertoRodrguezS> right
17:17:00 <riecatnor> before my time, so I am not sure on that mizmo[m] - my guess is yes
17:17:09 <mizmo[m]> looks like stickermule owns unixstickers
17:17:13 <mizmo[m]> should we... rescind it?
17:17:37 <mizmo[m]> unixstickers did not used to have such strong stickermule branding
17:18:22 <nb> Yes, I remember unixstickers getting permission to use Fedora logo
17:18:29 <nb> they were supposed to be giving us free stickers every so often
17:18:34 <nb> to "pay" for it
17:18:39 <mizmo[m]> nb: do you remember how long ago that was
17:18:45 <mizmo[m]> we stopped doing business with them some time ago
17:18:53 <nb> hmm.  pre-mindshare at least
17:18:57 <riecatnor> so, the team I am in at RH, OSPO, is no longer using stickermule based on some actions from their ceo/company.. but, I do think that this is a different thing
17:19:17 <riecatnor> being a part of unix stickers is kind of like keeping up with the competitors
17:19:17 * nb likes stickermule
17:19:45 <mizmo[m]> https://www.classaction.org/news/former-employee-claims-sticker-mule-print-bear-excluded-shift-differential-from-ot-pay   they dont pay their workers fairly
17:19:49 <nb> mizmo[m] I will try to look back at old email and IRC logs and can let you know if I find something
17:20:59 <nb> mizmo[m] :( that is not good
17:21:04 <mizmo[m]> riecatnor: if we looking at it from that perspective id say they could continue using the trademark if its included in all 3 packs as Arch is
17:21:43 <riecatnor> nb, it would be great to know who interfaced with unix stickers.. bex or bex's predecessor?
17:22:03 <Xerena[m]> 7227
17:22:07 <mizmo[m]> i thought it was spot
17:22:13 <langdonwhite[m]> @mizmo looks like that new fedora logo thing you worked on for a bit seems to have worked out as making all the new things easier/nicer/etc ;) ... as always .. nice job!
17:22:17 <nb> mizmo[m] I think you are probably right
17:22:21 <riecatnor> mizmo[m], that would make sense
17:22:24 <mizmo[m]> https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-stickers-are-available-on-unixstickers/
17:22:34 <mizmo[m]> langdon white: thanks 🙂 🙂 :)
17:22:40 <nb> I think it might be worth revisiting the thing where they are supposed to give us free stickers in exchange for trademark permission
17:22:49 <mizmo[m]> I worked with tom to produce the print ready assets for that run in 2016
17:23:01 <mizmo[m]> if they arent paying their workers fairly and arent compensating us with our free stickers....
17:23:20 <nb> mizmo[m] good point
17:23:24 <riecatnor> Ok, I will reach out to unix stickers and start talking with them about the situation
17:23:33 <mizmo[m]> i wonder if stickermule bought them and dropped the other bits of the agreement in the purchase not knowing it
17:23:43 <nb> and we are not in any but the highest pack, IIRC
17:23:46 <mizmo[m]> i remembe unixstickers old website..... did not look like currents ite
17:24:01 <mizmo[m]> oh i found some old emails, it was tom
17:24:25 <mizmo[m]> i have the contacts from that time - andrea, stefano, and federica
17:24:32 <riecatnor> mizmo[m], can you forward me the email if thats ok?
17:24:54 <mizmo[m]> riecatnor: absolutely. it doesnt have the TM details - nb may have that, but it has the contacts anyway
17:25:36 <riecatnor> cool, I will comment on the ticket too that we are starting to work on it
17:26:45 <riecatnor> #topic open floor
17:26:52 <riecatnor> anything for the last 5 mins? :)
17:27:02 <OnuralpSezer[m]> riecatnor:  vote for logo :)
17:27:11 <OnuralpSezer[m]> so we can push to docs :)
17:28:05 <riecatnor> ohkay :) my vote is for the logo & logotype
17:30:02 <mizmo[m]> me too 🙂 i like w logotype (again maybe biased heheh)
17:30:38 <riecatnor> rad, if noone is against, i'd say go ahead mizmo[m] :)
17:31:05 <riecatnor> alright peeps, thanks for the convo. very excited for nest!
17:31:11 <riecatnor> #endmeeting