17:42:12 <riecatnor> #startmeeting Mindshare 17:42:12 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 10 17:42:12 2021 UTC. 17:42:12 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:42:12 <zodbot> The chair is riecatnor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:42:12 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:42:12 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare' 17:42:12 <riecatnor> #meetingname Mindshare 17:42:12 <riecatnor> #chair bt0dotninja codeblock tyll hhlp nb pbokoc riecatnor x3mboy tatica siddharthvipul1 duffy mizmo 17:42:12 <riecatnor> #info About Mindshare: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/ 17:42:12 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare' 17:42:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: bt0dotninja codeblock duffy hhlp mizmo nb pbokoc riecatnor siddharthvipul1 tatica tyll x3mboy 17:42:12 <riecatnor> #topic Hello 17:42:22 <riecatnor> hey peeps, apologies I am a couple minutes late today 17:42:30 <riecatnor> .hello riecatnor 17:42:31 <zodbot> riecatnor: riecatnor 'Marie Nordin' <mnordin@redhat.com> 17:43:02 <nb> .hi 17:43:03 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nick@bebout.net> 17:43:14 <riecatnor> heya nb 17:43:26 <riecatnor> looks like no meeting last week? 17:43:41 <x3mboy> .hi 17:43:42 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com> 17:43:52 <x3mboy> There wasn't quorum 17:43:57 <riecatnor> hullo x3mboy & pbokoc 17:44:05 <riecatnor> no worries! Just confirming I didn 17:44:08 <riecatnor> 't have logs to read 17:44:09 <ComputerKid> .hi 17:44:10 <zodbot> ComputerKid: Sorry, but you don't exist 17:44:17 <riecatnor> :((( 17:44:19 <ComputerKid> .hello2 computerkid 17:44:20 <zodbot> ComputerKid: Sorry, but you don't exist 17:44:31 <ComputerKid> .hello computerkid 17:44:32 <zodbot> ComputerKid: computerkid 'Grayson Penland' <gpenland06@gmail.com> 17:44:39 <ComputerKid> Third try is the charm 17:44:45 <riecatnor> you exist!! 17:44:49 <riecatnor> #topic tickets 17:44:54 <mizmo> .hello duffy 17:44:56 <zodbot> mizmo: duffy 'Máirín Duffy' <fedora@linuxgrrl.com> 17:45:05 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/255 17:45:07 <riecatnor> heya mizmo! 17:45:13 <mizmo> o/ 17:45:15 <ComputerKid> Ahhh this issue 17:45:51 <ComputerKid> I requested michael tunnel come to talk about it, but he is busy 17:46:10 <tg-fedmindshare> <SiddharthVipul> Hey everybody 17:46:23 <riecatnor> heya siddharthvipul ! 17:46:37 <tg-fedmindshare> <SiddharthVipul> :D 17:46:52 <ComputerKid> I can do my best to speak for dln 17:46:58 <riecatnor> ok, so looking at MichaelTunnell|D response on the ticket, I am comfortable voting to move forward 17:47:07 <ComputerKid> Hey! 17:47:21 <ComputerKid> You made it! 17:48:33 <nb> +1 17:49:05 <riecatnor> I think we need to address Tills concern.. tyll are you here today? 17:49:49 <riecatnor> I don't see it as such a high stakes commitment, from this ticket and all the discussions here in the meeting, the idea is a collaboration that benefits everyone 17:49:49 <x3mboy> Which one? 17:50:00 <riecatnor> "Also, there is a request for commitment from the Fedora project which I don't see should be given on a project level." 17:50:02 <x3mboy> Ah that one 17:50:05 <x3mboy> About commintment 17:50:11 <x3mboy> * About commitment 17:50:21 <ComputerKid> What commitment exactly? 17:50:31 <ComputerKid> DLN isn't asking for anything really 17:50:40 <ComputerKid> Except a bit of branding 17:50:42 <riecatnor> ComputerKid, all the things in the ticket 17:50:42 <x3mboy> There is no commitment at Project Level, no needs that Fedora needs to give to DLN 17:51:11 <x3mboy> So discuss? Voting? or waiting? 17:52:07 <riecatnor> I am saying the commitment is small, imo, and heavily relies on folks like x3mboy & ComputerKid to maintain.. There is a chance we would end the collaboration in the future, which we discussed with MichaelTunnell|D and he agreed that would be a fine outcome 17:52:50 <riecatnor> I would love to be able to discuss with tyll but I don't think this time works well 17:53:14 <riecatnor> I am going to write the thoughts I shared here on the ticket, and ask if we can proceed with a vote 17:57:48 <riecatnor> ok, done 17:58:46 <riecatnor> ok, so it seems we have had no other activity on the repo since our meeting two weeks ago 17:59:10 <riecatnor> #topic time change 17:59:25 <riecatnor> next week this meeting will get bumped forward by an hour 17:59:48 <riecatnor> should I adjust it back an hour or leave it as is? 18:00:09 <riecatnor> it will overlap with the design team live session if we don't adjust it 18:00:16 <riecatnor> (every other week) 18:00:56 <pbokoc> then we probably should 18:01:17 <riecatnor> will it be a major issue for anyone? 18:01:27 <pbokoc> I'm good either way 18:02:12 <riecatnor> any one else have thoughts? 18:03:01 <riecatnor> ok :) I am going to adjust it 18:03:18 <riecatnor> #info Mindshare meeting will stay at 12:30PM EST 18:03:37 <riecatnor> #action riecatnor to adjust time in fedocal 18:03:58 <riecatnor> #topic open floor 18:04:18 <riecatnor> We have a chunk of time today! anyone have things to discuss? 18:05:25 <riecatnor> Anyone following the Fedora vs. Fedora Linux debate? ;) 18:05:49 <pbokoc> I'm just watching the GME rollercoaster :)) 18:17:49 <x3mboy> I'm against the change but in favor of the change 18:18:08 <riecatnor> oh yeah x3mboy ? 18:18:18 <riecatnor> sounds conflicting lol 18:18:30 <x3mboy> The change is conflicting 18:18:42 <riecatnor> I'd like to hear your thoughts 18:18:44 <x3mboy> TBH I don't like it, it requires a lot of culture changing 18:19:01 <x3mboy> But it also will make people ask too many things to Fedora People People 18:19:16 <x3mboy> Like ambys, advocates, mentors and more 18:19:35 <x3mboy> The thing about "So, Fedora Workstaion is not linux" 18:19:56 <x3mboy> It feels so real 18:20:15 <x3mboy> From trolls to real people that got lost in the conversation 18:20:27 <riecatnor> Hmmm, I can see your points 18:20:54 <x3mboy> There are too many products: Fedora IoT, Fedora CoreOS, Fedora Server, Fedora Workstation, Fedora Podcast, Fedora Magazine 18:21:01 <riecatnor> I also think the amount of friction we will feel in the long term is pretty small... like trolls will always find something to troll about 18:21:27 <x3mboy> How this renaming will affect how people look at thos products 18:21:46 <x3mboy> * How this renaming will affect how people look at those products 18:21:57 <x3mboy> That's why I don't like it 18:22:00 <riecatnor> I think that is a valid question, how will this effect those names 18:22:38 <x3mboy> But I like it, because it put a clear difference between the OS and the community 18:22:51 <ComputerKid> I would largely agree with the idea that maybe fedora shouldn't mean one thing 18:22:59 <ComputerKid> Since there are so many fedora * 18:23:17 <x3mboy> Exactly, that's the appealing part 18:23:34 <x3mboy> The great "BUT" it's that the OS already have a name 18:24:05 <ComputerKid> I don't know.... Change is hard, but can be worth it 18:24:23 <x3mboy> All products already have their own name: Workstation, server, IoT, i3 Spin, KDE Plasma Spin, Python Classroom Lab 18:24:25 <ComputerKid> So it sounds like I just agree with x3mboy 😃 18:24:38 <x3mboy> So, where "Linux" fits? 18:24:48 <x3mboy> Almost all of them 18:24:56 <x3mboy> Does it make sense? 18:25:03 <riecatnor> Yes, totally 18:25:08 <ComputerKid> Yup 18:25:32 <riecatnor> I see the definition between the OS and the community as the main goal, but the after effects should def be considered 18:26:01 <ComputerKid> I think when people say Fedora linux they mean workstation most of the time 18:26:12 <riecatnor> I will be interested to see how fesco responds 18:26:38 <riecatnor> alright peeps, a couple more mins, any thing else? 18:27:17 <riecatnor> Its 60C (15F) and sunny today!! Enjoying that :) 18:28:08 <ComputerKid> Oh yeah 18:28:24 <ComputerKid> 70F here 18:28:29 <ComputerKid> It's great 18:28:42 <riecatnor> A tiny bit of sun goes a long way for mood lol 18:29:29 <riecatnor> ok, thats all for today, thanks everyone :) I hope to have progress to share and get feedback on next week for F34 RP & Nest 18:29:36 <x3mboy> Having all this thought make a definition clear to me 18:29:41 * x3mboy uploaded an image: (45KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/AjxgxKQVlysaBFzSeARitcYV/image.png > 18:30:00 <x3mboy> Linux doesn't fit 18:30:03 <riecatnor> oooo where did this come from? 18:30:10 <x3mboy> From my mind 18:30:15 <x3mboy> Just did it now 18:30:19 <x3mboy> In vym 18:30:25 <x3mboy> vym, not vim 18:30:47 <riecatnor> hmm. so when I ask someone if they have heard of fedora and they say no, the next question I always ask is have they heard of linux 18:31:11 <riecatnor> from my non coding perspective fedora & linux seem to go hand in hand 18:31:49 <riecatnor> #endmeeting