17:00:06 <pboy> #startmeeting fedora-server 17:00:06 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Aug 16 17:00:06 2023 UTC. 17:00:06 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:00:06 <zodbot> The chair is pboy. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 17:00:06 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:06 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-server' 17:00:18 <pboy> #topic Welcome / roll call 17:00:30 <pboy> Welcome to our Server WG IRC meeting today! 17:00:30 <pboy> We have several apologies for today. I guess our group is quite small today. Let's see. 17:00:41 <pboy> „Same procedure as every year“ We'll give a few minutes for folks to show up 17:00:41 <pboy> Please, everybody who is lurking, say either .hello2 or .hello <fasname> 17:01:59 <tflink> .hello2 17:02:00 <zodbot> tflink: tflink 'Tim Flink' <tflink@tirfa.com> 17:02:22 <pboy> Welcome tflink! 17:02:35 * tflink is lurking for a bit, have a conflict at half past 17:02:54 <pboy> Welsome nevertheless! 17:03:11 * nirik is doing some updates, but lurking also 17:03:43 <jwhimpel> .hello2 17:03:44 <zodbot> jwhimpel: jwhimpel 'John Himpel' <john@jlhimpel.net> 17:03:45 <pboy> Seems as if most of our regular members are on vacation or otherwise busy. 17:03:58 <pboy> Hi john! 17:04:48 <jwhimpel> pboy: Greetings! 17:05:09 * pboy wink win 17:05:56 <pboy> I think we should start, nevertheless. Mayb e, swe can talk about what to do. 17:06:12 <pboy> #topic Agenda 17:06:19 <pboy> #info Follow up actions 17:06:32 <pboy> #info F39 Work Project: Fedora Server on (ARM) SBC 17:06:32 <pboy> #info Work Project: Using Ansible to install and configure Wildfly 17:06:32 <pboy> #info Fedora release 39 test planning 17:06:32 <pboy> #info F39/40 Work Project: Fedora Server in a virtualized runtime environment 17:06:32 <pboy> #info Open floor 17:06:43 <pboy> #topic 1. Follow up actions 17:06:56 <pboy> An upcomming running gag here: 17:07:05 <pboy> #action pboy will write a info about changing the timeout value and nirik will review – still work in progress 17:07:20 <nirik> ha. 17:07:28 <pboy> May be I can do that after F39 release. :-) 17:07:39 <pboy> Anythink else here? 17:07:59 <pboy> OK 17:08:01 <pboy> #topic 2. F39 Work Project: Fedora Server on (ARM) SBC 17:08:32 <pboy> F39 release is approching. We must make some progress here soon. 17:08:44 <pboy> I wrote an email today about it 17:08:53 <pboy> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/B275Q5GOX5FIBDQ464CGSGJXWWEY7NXQ/ 17:09:23 <pboy> Any comment here today. it is a bit a short notice, yes. 17:09:34 <pboy> But I couldn't do it earlier. 17:10:41 <pboy> jwhimpel> 17:10:43 <jwhimpel> Was there any discussion of SBC servers at Flock? 17:11:10 <pboy> Yes, a short one. Several people were quite interested. 17:11:47 <pboy> I think, you have some experience mit the phronix test sweet. 17:12:05 <pboy> Could yopu take a look into the article I mentioned in my mail? 17:12:18 <pboy> Can we ujse some it it? 17:12:44 <pboy> Would be interesting to replicate an earlier study, even in a short way. 17:13:19 <pboy> the test may be sweet, but I mean suite. :-) 17:13:21 <jwhimpel> I used it quite a while back. Unfortunately all of my SBC stuff is running Debian because many of the ARM vendors require propriotary modules or patches. 17:13:50 <jwhimpel> I dont have any SBC's that currently run Fedora. 17:13:59 <pboy> What a pitty. 17:14:24 <jwhimpel> I read that the supply of Raspberry Pi's is improving. But they are not quite powerful enough for what I need. 17:14:52 <pboy> But probbly you can look at the test results in the article and if they are useful und if we can use them? 17:14:53 <jwhimpel> I saw your email regarding VIM4. But I haven't seen any response yet. 17:15:14 <pboy> jwhimpel unfortunately I got none. 17:15:26 <jwhimpel> I'll look at the article this weekend and let you know late Sunday evening (my time). 17:15:33 <pboy> Usually Peter Robinson is very quick. 17:15:42 <pboy> jwhimpel thanks! 17:16:10 <pboy> Welll, I think we should discuss details on mailing list. 17:16:40 <pboy> I'll write a first draft of a text that describes our intention and findings so far. 17:16:49 <pboy> Should be ready next week, too, 17:16:50 <pboy> . 17:16:57 <jwhimpel> Okay, I'll send my comments there. 17:17:15 <pboy> Good. I' switch 17:17:27 <pboy> #topic 3. Work Project: Using Ansible to install and configure Wildfly 17:18:11 <pboy> tflink I guess, you have to leave soon. Can we answer some questions of yours or provide some information? 17:18:35 <jwhimpel> I've made some progress working with Zuma Farah (T/L at Redhat for JBOSS). 17:18:48 <pboy> Very good! 17:19:01 <jwhimpel> We found that I was not processing some hidden files correctly. 17:19:02 <tflink> I was mostly curious about the SBC plans and where you wanted to go with the testing you mentioned in your email today 17:20:15 <jwhimpel> we fixed those issues, Now it seems as though a wildfly service is not UP. Will continue to work with Zume to try and resolve. 17:20:56 <pboy> tflink the text will be about our planning. I hore we will publish it in Fedora Magazine and in our Doku. And it is the base of some apps, e.g. a ready tu use clusger monitor, and some other apps, where the SBC is really useful. 17:21:41 <pboy> We will discuss this now regularly on our meetings. 17:22:09 <pboy> And I'll publish the text on my fedora people site and inform on mailing list. 17:22:37 <pboy> Wold be good, it you could tell us your opinion and maybe proposals 17:22:58 <jwhimpel> Paul Whalen seems to run the ARM meetings on IRC. Perhaps he could give us some suggestions for suitable ARM SBC's to use as a server. 17:24:11 <pboy> jwhimpel yes, Peter Robinson already offered help. But I wanted to gather some information first and start too "stupid". :-) 17:25:06 <jwhimpel> Sounds like you already have a plan. Let's go with you plan. 17:25:15 <tflink> I don't have much on the SBCs, the ones I've dealt with in the (relatively distant) past have been nothing but a source of frustration so I've avoided them. I keep hoping to find a SBC that doesn't have the usual problems of binary blobs and/or custom kernel patch requirements 17:26:18 <pboy> tflink Icurrently use Radxa Rock Pi 4 and Pine64 RockPro. Both are working fine with Fedora. 17:27:28 <pboy> We have some Doku about it on our doks site 17:27:30 <jwhimpel> Since IBM has acquired Red Hat and now there is a lot of turmoil inside RedHat with people being laid off and people being reassigned and some product support/development being curtailed, I don't feel so good about Fedora support of ARM SBC's. 17:27:34 <pboy> #link https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/server-on-sbc/ 17:27:47 <tflink> hopefully things have gotten better. my previous experience was: buy a board, get fedora to run on it, wait a release or two, nobody cares about the board anymore and its no longer supported. but that's pretty unrelated to Fedora Server :) 17:28:53 <eseyman> tflink: that's the default way of doing things in the mobile market (which is mostly ARM), I'm afraid 17:28:58 <pboy> tflink yeah, my experience is if you choose a board where the make is OSS friendly, the support of the board is lasting long. 17:29:28 <pboy> Hi eseyman! 17:29:44 <eseyman> hello, all. I'm here but not here at the same time 17:29:59 <pboy> Well, we are a bit chaotic at the moment. :-) 17:30:22 <pboy> not chaotic, Spontaneous of course 17:30:44 <pboy> how should we proceed? 17:31:08 <pboy> I think, regarding wildfly we have to wait, until the app is working? 17:31:34 <pboy> jwhimnpel maybe we can make a matrix meeting when it works? 17:31:51 <jwhimpel> That would be great! 17:31:52 <pboy> And discuss, how to proceed further abnd how I can hekp? 17:32:13 <pboy> OK. we coordinate as previously. 17:32:39 <pboy> Something about the SBC topic, at the moment? 17:32:55 <pboy> It is the most urgent. F39 is approaching fast. 17:33:22 <pboy> And surprisingly, like every release 17:33:50 <eseyman> Banana Pi seems to be the vendor with the most compatibility, imho 17:34:23 <pboy> Another one is Pine64 17:34:47 <jwhimpel> Can you get "out of the box" Fedora to run on Banana Pi or Pine64? 17:35:04 <pboy> On a Pint64 yes! 17:35:40 <jwhimpel> Does the pine 64 support external disk drives? 17:36:19 <eseyman> the pro board has a PCI slot allowing you to add SATA ports 17:36:24 <pboy> Yes. It has a standard PCI Interface and you cann add a standard board. 17:36:49 <pboy> And the have a box to accomodate disk and board. 17:36:53 <jwhimpel> I'll have to do some research and perhaps spend some money. 17:37:12 <pboy> jwhimpel ++ 17:37:22 <jwhimpel> Do either of you have a preferred US vendor? 17:37:39 <pboy> Well, I*m living in Germany. :-) 17:37:44 <eseyman> no (I'm in France) 17:38:27 <jwhimpel> Guess it's time to update my Google Search foo! 17:38:58 <pboy> yes always a dood idea. ;-) 17:39:04 <pboy> Well, i suppose we are done with these topics 17:39:26 <jwhimpel> It's time for me to leave now anyway. BYE 17:39:34 <eseyman> see you next time, jwhimpel 17:39:44 <pboy> Bye bye jwhimpel 17:39:53 <pboy> #topic 4. Fedora release 39 test planning 17:40:18 <pboy> I think, we have to check the change proposals as every release. 17:40:39 <pboy> eseyman did you watch all the proposals? 17:41:40 <eseyman> no 17:42:03 <pboy> From my vague recollection, I don't think there's anything specifically critical. 17:42:32 <pboy> So we should start a discussion on mailing list. 17:43:04 <pboy> OK, next topic 17:43:08 <pboy> topic 5. F39/40 Work Project: Fedora Server in a virtualized runtime environment 17:43:44 <pboy> I had some questions about that on Flock. Many people were looking forward what we will do. 17:44:18 <pboy> But at the moment I made no specific progress. 17:44:54 <pboy> The upcoming task is to prepare a questionaire for our users about it. 17:45:21 <pboy> I hope I can prepare something for our next meeting. 17:46:10 <pboy> I see no futher comment 17:46:24 <pboy> #topic 5. Open Floor 17:46:38 <pboy> Something to discuss here? 17:46:57 <eseyman> I'm good 17:47:21 <pboy> eseyman If I remeber correctly, you are familiar with Perl? 17:47:27 <eseyman> yes, I am 17:47:55 <pboy> I'm struggeling to recover and making work an older Perl bases Website. 17:48:09 <pboy> Can I ask you some questions ny mail in the next days? 17:48:14 <eseyman> of course 17:48:36 <pboy> Thanks! My Pearlö knowledge is quiet doemant 17:49:20 <pboy> If we have nothing else, should we close erarly (first time since I'm a member) 17:50:17 <eseyman> I'm off, regardless. Dinner awaits 17:50:36 <pboy> OK. Thanks to all for coming! 17:50:40 <pboy> #endmeeting