19:59:38 <tdawson> #startmeeting EPEL (2023-07-26)
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19:59:41 <tdawson> #chair nirik tdawson pgreco carlwgeorge salimma dcavalca dherrera gotmax23 smooge
19:59:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: carlwgeorge dcavalca dherrera gotmax23 nirik pgreco salimma smooge tdawson
19:59:42 <tdawson> #topic aloha
20:00:16 <salimma> .hi
20:00:17 <zodbot> salimma: salimma 'Michel Alexandre Salim' <michel@michel-slm.name>
20:00:17 <dherrera> .hi
20:00:20 <zodbot> dherrera: dherrera 'Diego Herrera' <dherrera@redhat.com>
20:00:37 <tdawson> Hi dherrera and salimma
20:00:38 <rcallicotte> .hi
20:00:39 <zodbot> rcallicotte: rcallicotte 'Robby Callicotte' <rcallicotte@mailbox.org>
20:00:46 <tdawson> Hi rcallicotte
20:01:02 <rcallicotte> howdy all
20:01:26 <neil> .hi
20:01:29 <zodbot> neil: neil 'Neil Hanlon' <neil@shrug.pw>
20:01:32 <tdawson> Hi neil
20:01:43 <nirik> morning
20:01:53 <neil> hiya folks
20:01:54 <tdawson> Morning nirik
20:02:10 <carlwgeorge> .hi
20:02:11 <zodbot> carlwgeorge: carlwgeorge 'Carl George' <carl@redhat.com>
20:02:22 <tdawson> Hi carlwgeorge
20:02:24 <neil> hey carlwgeorge
20:03:00 <Eighth_Doctor> .hello ngompa
20:03:01 <zodbot> Eighth_Doctor: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
20:03:05 <Eighth_Doctor> Aloyha!
20:03:28 <jonathanspw> .hi
20:03:29 <zodbot> jonathanspw: jonathanspw 'Jonathan Wright' <jonathan@almalinux.org>
20:03:47 <tdawson> Hi jonathanspw
20:03:59 <tdawson> Aloyha Eighth_Doctor
20:04:10 <jonathanspw> howdeeeee
20:04:22 * rcallicotte waves at everyone
20:04:41 <tdawson> #topic End Of Life (EOL)
20:04:43 <tdawson> RHEL 7 / epel-7 will go EOL on 2024-06-30
20:04:44 <tdawson> CentOS Stream 8 / epel-8-next goes EOL in 2024-05-31
20:04:46 <tdawson> CentOS Stream 9 / epel-9-next goes EOL in 2027-05-31
20:04:53 <davide> .hello dcavalca
20:04:54 <zodbot> davide: dcavalca 'Davide Cavalca' <davide@cavalca.name>
20:04:56 <Eighth_Doctor> I will dance on the grave of RHEL 7
20:05:01 <tdawson> Hello davide
20:05:22 <Eighth_Doctor> it served us well, but it is now just a pile of frustration for me
20:05:24 <jonathanspw> yeah i'm kind of tired of 7
20:05:34 <jonathanspw> tbh i'm starting to hate 8 because of the missing python macros :p
20:05:42 <neil> hey same
20:05:46 <Eighth_Doctor> I already didn't like 8 much because of the modularity stuff
20:05:57 <Eighth_Doctor> too hard to build on top of it
20:06:00 <carlwgeorge> 7 -> 9 is the way
20:06:04 <Eighth_Doctor> yup
20:06:10 <tdawson> Agrees
20:06:22 <Eighth_Doctor> CentOS Stream 9 has been a pleasure compared to its predecessors
20:06:27 <nirik> yeah... and 9... man, it's so old next to fedora
20:06:28 * nirik runs
20:06:34 <carlwgeorge> hehe
20:06:35 <tdawson> *laughs*
20:06:35 <Eighth_Doctor> lol yes
20:06:43 <dherrera> heh
20:06:44 <Eighth_Doctor> well we got 10 coming up in six months
20:06:54 <Eighth_Doctor> so that's going to be fun
20:06:55 <rcallicotte> yippie
20:07:15 <carlwgeorge> "first compose of cs10" != "people should start using cs10"
20:07:27 <tdawson> But will plasma 6 be ready in time for 10?
20:07:27 <Eighth_Doctor> yes, but first compose is when I start doing stuff
20:07:33 <Eighth_Doctor> you know me better than that :)
20:07:34 <jonathanspw> be careful carl, you'll get quoted out of context on reddit
20:07:38 <salimma> looking forward to 10 but that also means I have a hard deadline for one of my projects :P
20:07:43 <neil> i was _just_ about to do that, jonathanspw!!
20:07:44 <carlwgeorge> jonathanspw: always lol
20:08:05 <neil> carlwgeorge just said centos stream is completely unstable and never should be used!
20:08:06 <salimma> (but eh, I had a hard deadline to finish ebranch before the Dojo I presented it in too)
20:08:09 <Eighth_Doctor> tdawson: I'm confident in KDE Plasma 6 and CS10 lining up quite nicely
20:08:10 <smooge> hello
20:08:17 * Eighth_Doctor dies
20:08:19 <neil> heya smooge
20:08:24 <tdawson> Eighth_Doctor: Cool ... cuz if you are confident, I'm confident.
20:08:25 <Eighth_Doctor> oh noes carlwgeorge
20:08:29 <Eighth_Doctor> you betrayed me
20:08:29 <tdawson> Hello smooge
20:08:33 <neil> carlwgeorge: i owe you a beer next week for that message alone. sorry <3
20:08:44 <rcallicotte> :)
20:08:49 <carlwgeorge> yes a beer to cool the heartburn, sounds good
20:08:50 <jonathanspw> Eighth_Doctor: tdawson told me that in el10 he's going to keep kde at the latest version for the entire 10 years
20:09:09 * neil will bring Prilosec, too, then
20:09:18 <Eighth_Doctor> 🪦
20:09:37 <Eighth_Doctor> we're so dead
20:09:40 <smooge> rolling kde
20:09:55 <salimma> what's this Carl <-> Neal thing? I didn't get the context
20:10:20 <neil> oh i'm just poking fun at carlwgeorge being taken out of context all the time
20:10:33 <Eighth_Doctor> and I'm responding to that with a joke in kind
20:10:43 <smooge> and I am taking them seriously
20:11:00 <Eighth_Doctor> and it really started from me saying cs10 begins in earnest soon
20:11:09 <neil> which is fantastic news :)
20:11:11 <Eighth_Doctor> and carl points out first compose doesn't imply first usable compose
20:11:14 <Eighth_Doctor> which is very true
20:11:20 * Eighth_Doctor shudders from how broken the first cs9 composes were
20:11:25 <Eighth_Doctor> they couldn't even boot
20:11:26 <smooge> they were fine
20:11:41 <smooge> booting is for people who don't understand serverless
20:11:49 <carlwgeorge> smooge++
20:11:49 <zodbot> carlwgeorge: Karma for smooge changed to 10 (for the release cycle f38):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:11:49 <nirik> it composes... dev problem now!
20:11:51 <tdawson> *laughs*
20:11:53 <neil> smooge++
20:11:53 <zodbot> neil: Karma for smooge changed to 11 (for the release cycle f38):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:11:53 <Eighth_Doctor> lol
20:11:59 <Eighth_Doctor> smooge++
20:11:59 <zodbot> Eighth_Doctor: Karma for smooge changed to 12 (for the release cycle f38):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:12:21 <neil> rocky had lots of trouble with our initial 8 composes. I refuse to comment further lol
20:12:21 <Eighth_Doctor> CentOS Stream 9 was a very interesting adventure for me
20:12:38 <salimma> eh, we have some machines running ELN and they're... fine ish
20:12:45 <tdawson> Eighth_Doctor: I can pretty much garantee you that the first 10 composes will not boot, or install.
20:12:50 <Eighth_Doctor> I think I did the biggest burst of development work in years during the CS9 bringup
20:13:15 <smooge> i personally am looking forward to ELX
20:13:15 <Eighth_Doctor> tdawson: I expect it!
20:13:37 <Eighth_Doctor> that's the trend right?
20:13:53 <smooge> anyway.. we are 1/4 through this meeting
20:13:58 <tdawson> Yep
20:14:05 <Eighth_Doctor> that means we need super flashy X branding too
20:14:14 <tdawson> x.com
20:14:16 <tdawson> #topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues
20:14:18 <tdawson> https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open
20:14:36 <Eighth_Doctor> we don't have anything there
20:14:41 <Eighth_Doctor> so I guess we're good?
20:14:46 <carlwgeorge> ship it
20:14:52 <tdawson> We have no issues marked for the meeting, or even any new issues.
20:14:59 <smooge> cool
20:15:01 <smooge> congrats
20:15:02 <tdawson> #topic Old Business
20:15:26 * nirik has one small item for open floor or whatever.
20:15:55 <tdawson> ok ... before we get to open floor, does anyone want to bring up any old business?
20:16:09 <smooge> we are all one day closer to the grave?
20:16:19 <smooge> oh different old
20:16:22 <smooge> nope
20:16:31 <Eighth_Doctor> nothing from me
20:16:33 <carlwgeorge> smooge is on fire today
20:16:51 * smooge reminds everyone to tip your wait staff tdawson. He has to put up with this for every show
20:16:54 <Eighth_Doctor> I've always got a foot in the grave, a foot in the air, and a foot on fire
20:17:10 <salimma> must be nice having three feet
20:17:14 <rcallicotte> haha
20:17:15 * neil doesn't think about that too hard
20:17:31 <tdawson> Let's go for the new business.
20:17:32 <smooge> tdawson: no old business
20:17:40 <tdawson> #topic General Issues / Open Floor
20:17:49 <tdawson> nirik: Go for it.
20:18:03 <tdawson> If you daaare
20:18:07 <nirik> Just wanted to note https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11540 (epel9-next and koschei...)
20:19:21 <tdawson> I agree with them ... if something hasn't been built in epel9-next ... no need to koschei it
20:20:01 <nirik> so not urgent, but if people have opinions...
20:20:07 <smooge> same here.
20:20:29 * Eighth_Doctor reads
20:21:28 <Eighth_Doctor> can we fix this?
20:21:31 <Eighth_Doctor> how do we fix it?
20:21:52 <Eighth_Doctor> (I would actually like Koschei to work properly for everything)
20:22:03 <carlwgeorge> seems the guy in the ticket (a koschei dev?) just needs to change a config
20:22:22 <carlwgeorge> the proposed fix sounds reasonable to me
20:22:24 <nirik> yes, it's just a config change.
20:22:31 <nirik> which I think makes sense and should be done. ;)
20:23:04 <carlwgeorge> this is weird, i have no email for this despite being tagged
20:23:28 <carlwgeorge> oh i see, nirik tagged `@carlgeorge`, my old fas that supposedly can't be deleted despite being disabled
20:23:50 <smooge> no its really the other carlgeorge
20:24:11 <smooge> therealcarlgeorge
20:24:28 <rcallicotte> does that account exist too?
20:24:39 <carlwgeorge> yes
20:24:51 <Eighth_Doctor> let's tell them we're okay with them fixing it?
20:24:54 <nirik> the current state is... not optimal.
20:24:55 <nirik> +1 unless someone objects
20:25:03 <carlwgeorge> a long time ago i switched from `@carlgeorge` to `@carlwgeorge` to match other stuff, and the answer i got at the time was that renames were impossible, just make a new one and flag the old one as disabled.  i'm not sure the disabled property carried through to the new fas system.
20:25:14 <Eighth_Doctor> +1
20:25:28 <carlwgeorge> iirc Eighth_Doctor sponsored my new account to the packager group
20:25:55 <salimma> I've been meaning to rename my account for some time too. I thought it was supposed to eventually be possible with FAS3
20:26:07 <Eighth_Doctor> it is possible now
20:26:10 <Eighth_Doctor> it requires manual intervention
20:26:11 <salimma> but now there are things tied to FAS like Matrix and Discourse too so I suppose it's more complicated
20:26:12 <salimma> ooh
20:26:14 <carlwgeorge> what about deleting accounts?
20:26:23 <carlwgeorge> (sorry to derail the meeting with fas talk)
20:27:02 <tdawson> Not a problem.  Sounds like everyone agrees.
20:27:06 <rcallicotte> yeah I have FAS questions I'll hit you up later...
20:27:14 <michel-slm> oh right. IRC has way more messages it seems
20:27:49 <tdawson> A topic that was brought up last week, but we didn't have a resolution ... are we ok canceling next weeks meeting on account of many of us will be at Flock ?
20:28:08 <carlwgeorge> i don't recall anyone being opposed to it
20:28:14 <nirik> not really.
20:28:14 <Eighth_Doctor> I asked for that early enough it was accounted for in the design, but some things are supposedly still goofy
20:28:15 <nirik> BTW, the bridge is dropping lots of irc->matrix.
20:28:15 <nirik> no. They are just planning on disabling portaling.
20:28:15 <nirik> plumbed rooms will keep working.
20:28:15 <Eighth_Doctor> Koji in particularly
20:28:15 <Eighth_Doctor> *particular
20:28:15 <Eighth_Doctor> Ticket about username renames: https://github.com/fedora-infra/noggin/issues/105
20:28:16 <salimma> : libera.chat bridge is deprecated right
20:28:16 <salimma> libera admins want rooms to be plumbed in directly now
20:28:18 <carlwgeorge> lazy consensus or something
20:28:19 <salimma> right, I'm using the wrong term. need plumbing, portaling is going to stop working
20:28:22 <salimma> ok... fun. I see nirik's message on Matrix and tdawson's message on IRC but they're not carried over
20:28:38 <neil> i should jump over to Matrix...
20:29:02 <tdawson> Ya ... and now we have parallel conversations ... cool actually.
20:29:24 <carlwgeorge> seems like a fairly regular problem in fedora meetings to have irc<->matrix issues
20:30:04 <carlwgeorge> i motion that we just standardize on one side or the other and everyone connect that way (i don't have a preference to which one we do, i'm on both)
20:31:02 <neil> ditto to what carl said (standardize on one side or the other)
20:31:08 * Son_Goku sighs
20:31:11 <neil> which ironically I didn't see on matrix
20:31:27 <Son_Goku> backup connection ahoy
20:31:31 <neil> o/
20:31:33 <Eighth_Doctor> we should make a GSoC project for replacing zodbot with a Matrix native one
20:31:35 <salimma> good thing it's a quiet meeting, I'm taking the time to have a late lunch
20:31:35 <nirik> yeah. ;( They are working on the bridge. Hopefully they fix it soon
20:31:37 <nirik> we have been looking into this...
20:31:47 <salimma> the other fun thing is rooms sometimes go weird (like on this account I had to quit and rejoin fedora-devel because it somehow lost its name)
20:32:00 <tdawson> Now I'm in a quandry about which to type into.
20:32:05 <salimma> my company might have some sponsorship money if someone wants to do that GSoC project
20:32:13 <tdawson> Wait ... that went through.
20:32:17 <carlwgeorge> so perhaps we should standarize on irc until the matrix native meeting bot is ready, then switch
20:32:17 <salimma> this is like a distributed computing interview problem ;)
20:32:24 <tdawson> *laughs*
20:32:32 <salimma> do you want at-least-once or at-most-once delivery?
20:32:32 <jonathanspw> +1 for skipping next week
20:32:37 <neil> two generals problem something something
20:32:42 <jonathanspw> gotta run
20:32:45 <salimma> yeah, I can hop back to IRC if that's easier - I'm on both anyway
20:32:48 <neil> peace jonathanspw
20:32:53 <rcallicotte> I am rarely on matrix.  I spend at least 10 hours a day connected to IRC tho...
20:33:05 <Son_Goku> I'm rarely on IRC so switching to it is annoying
20:33:32 * neil is also usually on IRC, but, doesn't really mind either way as he's on Beeper, too
20:33:46 <tdawson> So ... it sounds like we're ok canceling next weeks meeting.
20:33:55 <neil> ah, yea. +1 from me on that, too
20:33:56 <carlwgeorge> dewit.gif
20:34:19 <rcallicotte> everyone is gonna be in Cork I imagine.
20:34:38 <tdawson> #info Next weeks meeting (August 2) is officially canceled.
20:34:41 <smooge> well those of them who got budgets
20:34:42 <michel-slm> sadly not me but looking forward to the talks
20:35:03 <dherrera_> I'll watch the livestreams :)
20:35:13 <rcallicotte> all my travel budget is going on LFNW this year
20:35:17 <michel-slm> that requires committing to waking up early for me haha
20:35:36 <tdawson> rcallicotte: Are you going to that?  Me to ... although it's just a drive for me.
20:35:38 * michel-slm is home bound while his wife finishes her internship
20:35:42 <carlwgeorge> hooray for the first ever livestreamed flock
20:35:42 <dherrera_> for me too, but i'll try to make the effort :muscle:
20:35:43 <smooge> my travel budget was cut down to 'can I make it to the corner store'
20:35:58 <michel-slm> ok IRC messages are not arriving on Matrix now. great
20:36:04 <michel-slm> and of course that one did
20:36:12 <Son_Goku> my piggy bank needed to be broken for Flock
20:36:14 <Eighth_Doctor> makes things easier
20:36:15 <nirik> +1
20:36:15 <dherrera> yup +1
20:36:15 <TroyDawson[m]> #info Next weeks meeting (August 2) is officially canceled.
20:36:15 <salimma> +1
20:36:15 <tdawson> Anything else before I close this meeting.  This out os sync stuff is hurting my head.
20:36:16 <rcallicotte> michel-slm: sweet! I'll be giving a talk on running centos stream in prod
20:36:19 <smooge> bridges have holes
20:36:33 <michel-slm> rcallicotte: ooh. as someone who does that too I'm very interested in that
20:36:34 <smooge> have a good and safe trip
20:36:35 <Son_Goku> but I hope this is going to be fun and productive at Flock+Connect
20:36:49 <michel-slm> hope to see y'all in person next year maybe (passport willing)
20:36:57 <Son_Goku> remember that it's not just a Flock! it's also a CentOS Connect too
20:36:57 <carlwgeorge> michel-slm: you and rcallicotte should talk more in depth about his talk
20:37:10 <michel-slm> smooge: good thing it's a bridge and not a boat
20:37:18 <neil> I'm real excited for my first Flock, and also doubly excited there's a Connect, too :)
20:37:35 <michel-slm> yeah, feel free to ping me privately (use salimma:fedora.im since that way it's fine if I'm offline)
20:37:54 <rcallicotte> cool
20:38:38 <tdawson> Thank you all for coming.  And thank you all for your work and support on EPEL and it's community.
20:38:54 <tdawson> I'll talk to ya'll in two weeks, if I don't see you at Flock.
20:39:07 <tdawson> #endmeeting