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17:00:19 <pboy> #topic Welcome / roll call
17:00:30 <pboy> Welcome to our Server WG IRC meeting today!
17:00:41 <pboy> „Same procedure as every year“ We'll give a few minutes for folks to show up
17:00:52 <pboy> Please, everybody who is lurking, say either .hello2 or .hello <fasname>
17:01:00 <pboy> I’ll post the agenda in 2 minutes.
17:01:16 <jwhimpel> .hello2
17:01:17 <zodbot> jwhimpel: jwhimpel 'John Himpel' <john@jlhimpel.net>
17:01:24 <cooltshirtguy> .hello2
17:01:25 <zodbot> cooltshirtguy: cooltshirtguy 'Jason Beard' <jas_beard@hotmail.com>
17:03:04 <eseyman> .hello2
17:03:05 <zodbot> eseyman: eseyman 'Emmanuel Seyman' <emmanuel@seyman.fr>
17:04:37 <pboy> Welcome everybody! Our core team is complete again.
17:04:53 <pboy> Let's starrt with the agenda
17:05:03 <pboy> #topic Agenda
17:05:13 <pboy> info  Follow up actions
17:05:24 <pboy> #info  Fedora Server on Flock 2023
17:05:34 <pboy> #info  Could we drop Active Directory requirements from Fedora release criteria?
17:05:48 <pboy> #info  F39 Work Project: Fedora Server on (ARM) SBC
17:05:59 <pboy> #info  F39/40 Work Project: Fedora Server in a virtualized runtime environment
17:06:11 <pboy> #info  Open floor
17:06:22 <pboy> Any topic to add?
17:06:52 <pboy> OK, none obviously
17:06:56 <eseyman> nope
17:07:02 <cooltshirtguy> disconnects--
17:07:13 <pboy> #topic 1. Follow up actions
17:07:26 <pboy> #info ACTION: pboy will write a info about changing the timeout value and nirik will review – still work in progress
17:07:48 <pboy> #info ACTION: eseyman will review the NFS documentation - still WIP
17:08:03 <pboy> Will hopefully not become a running gag  :-)
17:08:13 <pboy> But at the moment we have more urgent tasks, but should not forget about it.
17:08:22 <pboy> Anything to add here?
17:08:27 <eseyman> yes, still WIP for my part
17:08:40 <pboy> Yeah, for my part as well
17:09:15 <pboy> We may make it "hopefully soon"
17:09:25 <pboy> Well, next topic
17:09:39 <pboy> #topic 2. Fedora Server on Flock 2023
17:09:42 <cooltshirtguy> NFS instructions are using nfs.conf instead of /etc/exports
17:10:53 <pboy> cooltshirtguy maybe, that's the issue?  We should check the rpm
17:11:13 <pboy> But let us keep this for open floor
17:11:36 <pboy> Proposed presentation Flock contributions:
17:11:37 <cooltshirtguy> its the instructions
17:11:51 <pboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/102#comment-862197
17:12:03 <pboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/110#comment-862196
17:12:15 <pboy> Some information: in a bunch
17:12:29 <pboy> AS it looks at the moment the committee has accepted and is planning with a presentation:
17:12:37 <pboy> Fedora Server Edition – Quo Vadis?
17:12:48 <pboy> Unfortunately a workshop about Server in virtual environment, that I proposed, too, didn't make it.
17:13:00 <pboy> I would like to make a first draft in the next about 7 days and send it around for comments and additions and corrections, and ....
17:13:08 <pboy> I think about 4 topics so far
17:13:19 <pboy> - current state (hopefully with some download statistics)
17:13:31 <pboy> - Upcoming overhaul of the installation media
17:13:42 <pboy> - main focus is a universal and completely configurable and adjustable Edition (i.e. multi-purpose edition) Therefore  keeping the package distribution style.
17:13:51 <pboy> - Support special case ("single purpose) with a dedicated installation media: "power saving arm home lab appliance", maybe using OSTree instead of packages
17:14:02 <pboy> - Another possible special case ("single purpose): Server as host for virtual machines, maybe that supports/includes something like proxmox management tools or oVirt. And maybe use OSTree, too (because auf single purpose edition).
17:14:15 <pboy> Any ideas or comments or wishes to include or to leave something off?
17:14:29 <pboy> eom (end of bunch)
17:15:51 <eseyman> I like the VM host idea
17:17:34 <jwhimpel> THey all sound reasonable to me.
17:17:42 <pboy> Any other comment / idea? Or are you still reading?
17:17:51 <cooltshirtguy> they sound good
17:18:45 <pboy> Yeah, I think it is a plan for 2 years to so. So we will have to decide about an ordering. No now, but sometime
17:19:07 <cooltshirtguy> we could get off into the weeds with multiple "special cases"
17:19:33 <pboy> Yes, we may not create to many of them, indeed.
17:19:54 <pboy> Or may be, we only create one of them.
17:20:29 <pboy> I would prefer to work on the Server as VM host project first.
17:20:47 <jwhimpel> Agreed
17:21:04 <pboy> But I've heard of many people looking for a good home server solution.
17:23:14 <pboy> About the procedure: I would send my draft / drafts as a LibreOffice file. This is the best for me. Is that OK for everyone? Can someone not read this?
17:23:38 <pboy> And by direct mail.
17:23:53 <jwhimpel> I can read them okay.
17:24:03 <eseyman> yes, that's fine
17:24:14 <pboy> OK, thanks
17:24:19 <cooltshirtguy> thats fine
17:25:12 <pboy> So, I suppose that's all at the moment? Discussion will come up with the first draft, I think and hope.
17:25:22 <cooltshirtguy> lol
17:26:01 <pboy> yeah
17:26:50 <pboy> On the practical procedure:  So far none of us besides me will join Flock this year. Or is there a change?
17:27:12 <eseyman> sorry, no
17:27:27 <cooltshirtguy> nope
17:27:31 <jwhimpel> nope
17:28:13 <pboy> I can make the presentation alone, but I need support with the preparation: Wording, check of arguments, what want we to say, what probably not at  the moment.
17:28:58 <pboy> The presentation itself is my day job. That's routine
17:29:45 <pboy> So I hope for a lot of comments. Even if it's just an OK. :-)
17:29:50 <jwhimpel> Post url's on M/L and I'll try to review.
17:30:09 <pboy> Yes, I will.
17:30:22 <pboy> Let's switch to next topic?
17:30:43 <pboy> #topic Could we drop Active Directory requirements from Fedora release criteria?
17:30:53 <pboy> No issue created yet.
17:31:04 <pboy> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/VKTFTPD5SXYX7YLRU7LFVWKYKKJL5H56/
17:31:14 <eseyman> I have no opinon on the matter
17:31:14 <pboy> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/could-we-drop-active-directory-requirements-from-fedora-release-criteria/84434
17:31:59 <pboy> Well,  the current plan / proposal is to try and implement automated testing using Samba AD as the server end (instead of a native Windows server) and to keep the status of release criteria.
17:32:15 <pboy> I' would expect, that there is no drawback using Samba AD.
17:32:32 <pboy> And we would keep everything as is.
17:32:40 <jwhimpel> I don't have any opinion as I don't use anything with Active Directory.
17:33:02 <pboy> Me too (i.e. don't use it)
17:33:13 <jwhimpel> I assume the FreeIPA folks might have an opinion.
17:33:57 <pboy> Yes, they came up with the proposal of using Samba and the request to keep it a criteria
17:34:34 <cooltshirtguy> I'm ok with dropping it. I've never used Samba AD personally or in an enterprise environment
17:36:11 <cooltshirtguy> I'm on the fence either way.
17:36:23 <pboy> cooltshirtguy yes, but for sake of Server as a reliable production tool we shouldn't trade off a feature which has a central role at the moment.
17:37:26 <pboy> I suppose we agree about:   WG agrees about to use automated testing using Samba AD as the server end (instead of a native Windows server) and to keep the status of release criteria.
17:37:50 <pboy> any objections?
17:37:55 <eseyman> nope
17:38:02 <cooltshirtguy> no
17:38:05 <jwhimpel> No objection
17:38:17 <pboy> #agreed WG agrees about to use automated testing using Samba AD as the server end (instead of a native Windows server) and to keep the status of release criteria.
17:38:29 <pboy> OK, next one
17:38:43 <pboy> #topic 3. F39 Work Project: Fedora Server on (ARM) SBC
17:38:51 <pboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/108
17:39:01 <pboy> Objective here. Deciding about the next steps
17:39:16 <pboy> I suppose it is: Compose a list of SBCs someone of us own and can use for testing
17:39:25 <pboy> And a list of about 5 devices that are available on the market and that looks as if it is useful.
17:39:34 <pboy> Currently, we have this (as a proposal / first draft)
17:39:45 <pboy> #link https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/server-on-sbc/reference-list/
17:39:56 <pboy> The goal is to assess each device and provide some additional information on capabilities and installation. I did that very briefly for the Radxa Pi4 and the Pine64 RockPro64. We should also systematize this additional information somewhat.
17:40:10 <pboy> The floor is open.  :-)
17:41:15 <jwhimpel> I seem to recall something about using the VM currently being used by ansible/Wildfly testing being used for something different at FLOCK.  Is that the case?
17:42:37 <pboy> I can't remember. We can do that, the VM is capable enough. But we must not in any case interfere with the Wildfly Project !!! I think
17:43:28 <pboy> It wouldn't be a problem  to set up another VM for another project. There is plenty of power and space
17:43:48 <jwhimpel> Good.  I hope to start testing some updates next week to get TLS to work with a reverse proxy frontend.
17:44:34 <pboy> Very good. That is my question out of topic: wheather we can  continue with it.
17:45:15 <pboy> s/wheather/whether/
17:45:22 <pboy> :-)
17:45:25 <eseyman> I've been tapped at work to deliver a SMTP gateway by end of week
17:45:42 <eseyman> I'll document the process and rebase it on Fedora Server afterwards
17:45:57 <pboy> Looking forward to it!!
17:46:03 <cooltshirtguy> interesting
17:46:19 <pboy> I'm pfeparing a tutorial setting up a mail service.
17:46:41 <pboy> I'll publish it in stg till end of week.
17:46:50 <pboy> So we can coordinate!
17:47:07 <cooltshirtguy> nice
17:47:12 <jwhimpel> pboy: the linuxbabe.com site has a good writeup on email setup on Centos 8 that might be helpful.
17:47:42 <pboy> jwhimpel: Didn't found that. Thanks, I'll have a look.
17:48:08 <pboy> But back to topic.
17:48:28 <pboy> I remeber, some of us have / own one or more SBCs
17:48:45 <pboy> Can we add those to the list above?
17:50:31 <cooltshirtguy> i have pi4's.
17:50:56 <pboy> Yeah, can you use one temporarly for testing?
17:51:08 <jwhimpel> I have several ODROID-N2's, but I'm only running Ubuntu Server on them.  There is someone on their forum that claims to get Fedora Workstation running on them, but no details on how.
17:52:10 <pboy> If I remeber correctly, the N2 is support, it's nearly the only ODROID if I remeber correctly.
17:52:22 <pboy> I'll check it.
17:52:57 <cooltshirtguy> yeppers
17:53:26 <pboy> eseyman can you use your (old) vim1 for testing? It's still a valuable device
17:53:39 <jwhimpel> pboy: Thanks! it's a very capable sbc.
17:53:42 <eseyman> that is the plan
17:53:46 <pboy> OK.
17:54:19 <pboy> So I'll add the devices to the draft. And next meeting we'll talk about the tests: OK?
17:54:47 <pboy> I see no objections.
17:54:58 <cooltshirtguy> sure
17:55:25 <pboy> Our time is nearly up. So I think we should skip 4 and proceed with open floor. Any objections?
17:55:45 <eseyman> configuring the flashstor and setting it up is my first priority but sure
17:56:17 <pboy> Yeah. I'm looking forward how that works with fedora.
17:56:25 <cooltshirtguy> nope
17:56:28 <pboy> Well, I switch now
17:56:38 <pboy> #topic  5. Open Floor
17:56:51 <pboy> (a)
17:56:51 <pboy> We have a "Fedora Server 38 DVD"
17:57:02 <pboy> What the hell is that?  :-)
17:57:22 <pboy> That sounds very old fashioned. We should change this to STD on this occasion, (F39)
17:57:55 <pboy> I.e. "Fedora Server STD" instead of Fedora Server DVD"
17:58:20 <pboy> Does anyone value DVD?
17:58:26 <eseyman> nope
17:58:31 <cooltshirtguy> no but STD is funny
17:58:36 <eseyman> PXE or USB all the way
17:59:06 <pboy> cooltshirtguy. I had no better idea. Do you have one?
17:59:42 <cooltshirtguy> not at the moment, still laughing
17:59:52 <cooltshirtguy> SD
18:00:06 <pboy> What means SD?
18:00:21 <eseyman> I'm not sure what STD means, TBH
18:00:33 <pboy> STD for Standard
18:00:33 <eseyman> I'm stuck on the medical definition
18:00:38 <eseyman> ah
18:01:00 <cooltshirtguy> SD = standard
18:01:04 <pboy> Or may be local?
18:01:34 <pboy> okay, if SD is the commen abbreviation that would be fine for me
18:01:49 <pboy> commen ->  common
18:01:56 <cooltshirtguy> I just think we shouldnt use STD
18:02:25 <pboy> Well, do we agree about STD?
18:02:42 <pboy> Then I would go to releng for this
18:03:14 <pboy> OK I think we agree
18:03:22 <eseyman> yes
18:03:28 <pboy> (b)
18:03:28 <pboy> Setting up a basic web server
18:03:37 <cooltshirtguy> I think STD is the correct abbreviation. I'll always laugh though
18:03:42 <pboy> #link https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/services/httpd-basic-setup/
18:03:52 <pboy> There is obviously a bug in the ssl package configuration file. I need help to confirm the bug and the work around.
18:04:09 <pboy> The description is part of the doc
18:04:21 <pboy> A step back: STD is it.
18:04:44 <pboy> GThe bug is a serious one regarding SSL connections
18:05:47 <pboy> Well, anything else to discuss here?
18:06:35 <cooltshirtguy> nope
18:06:41 <eseyman> don't think so
18:07:14 <pboy> OK. Our time is up. So we should close and meet in 14 days.
18:07:32 <pboy> Bye Bye
18:07:47 <pboy> And thanks to everyone for the good discussion.
18:08:03 <pboy> #endmeeting