17:00:08 <pboy> #startmeeting fedora-server 17:00:08 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jul 5 17:00:08 2023 UTC. 17:00:08 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:00:08 <zodbot> The chair is pboy. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 17:00:08 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:08 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-server' 17:00:19 <pboy> #topic Welcome / roll call 17:00:30 <pboy> Welcome to our Server WG IRC meeting today! 17:00:41 <pboy> „Same procedure as every year“ We'll give a few minutes for folks to show up 17:00:52 <pboy> Please, everybody who is lurking, say either .hello2 or .hello <fasname> 17:01:00 <pboy> I’ll post the agenda in 2 minutes. 17:01:16 <jwhimpel> .hello2 17:01:17 <zodbot> jwhimpel: jwhimpel 'John Himpel' <john@jlhimpel.net> 17:01:24 <cooltshirtguy> .hello2 17:01:25 <zodbot> cooltshirtguy: cooltshirtguy 'Jason Beard' <jas_beard@hotmail.com> 17:03:04 <eseyman> .hello2 17:03:05 <zodbot> eseyman: eseyman 'Emmanuel Seyman' <emmanuel@seyman.fr> 17:04:37 <pboy> Welcome everybody! Our core team is complete again. 17:04:53 <pboy> Let's starrt with the agenda 17:05:03 <pboy> #topic Agenda 17:05:13 <pboy> info Follow up actions 17:05:24 <pboy> #info Fedora Server on Flock 2023 17:05:34 <pboy> #info Could we drop Active Directory requirements from Fedora release criteria? 17:05:48 <pboy> #info F39 Work Project: Fedora Server on (ARM) SBC 17:05:59 <pboy> #info F39/40 Work Project: Fedora Server in a virtualized runtime environment 17:06:11 <pboy> #info Open floor 17:06:22 <pboy> Any topic to add? 17:06:52 <pboy> OK, none obviously 17:06:56 <eseyman> nope 17:07:02 <cooltshirtguy> disconnects-- 17:07:13 <pboy> #topic 1. Follow up actions 17:07:26 <pboy> #info ACTION: pboy will write a info about changing the timeout value and nirik will review – still work in progress 17:07:48 <pboy> #info ACTION: eseyman will review the NFS documentation - still WIP 17:08:03 <pboy> Will hopefully not become a running gag :-) 17:08:13 <pboy> But at the moment we have more urgent tasks, but should not forget about it. 17:08:22 <pboy> Anything to add here? 17:08:27 <eseyman> yes, still WIP for my part 17:08:40 <pboy> Yeah, for my part as well 17:09:15 <pboy> We may make it "hopefully soon" 17:09:25 <pboy> Well, next topic 17:09:39 <pboy> #topic 2. Fedora Server on Flock 2023 17:09:42 <cooltshirtguy> NFS instructions are using nfs.conf instead of /etc/exports 17:10:53 <pboy> cooltshirtguy maybe, that's the issue? We should check the rpm 17:11:13 <pboy> But let us keep this for open floor 17:11:36 <pboy> Proposed presentation Flock contributions: 17:11:37 <cooltshirtguy> its the instructions 17:11:51 <pboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/102#comment-862197 17:12:03 <pboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/110#comment-862196 17:12:15 <pboy> Some information: in a bunch 17:12:29 <pboy> AS it looks at the moment the committee has accepted and is planning with a presentation: 17:12:37 <pboy> Fedora Server Edition – Quo Vadis? 17:12:48 <pboy> Unfortunately a workshop about Server in virtual environment, that I proposed, too, didn't make it. 17:13:00 <pboy> I would like to make a first draft in the next about 7 days and send it around for comments and additions and corrections, and .... 17:13:08 <pboy> I think about 4 topics so far 17:13:19 <pboy> - current state (hopefully with some download statistics) 17:13:31 <pboy> - Upcoming overhaul of the installation media 17:13:42 <pboy> - main focus is a universal and completely configurable and adjustable Edition (i.e. multi-purpose edition) Therefore keeping the package distribution style. 17:13:51 <pboy> - Support special case ("single purpose) with a dedicated installation media: "power saving arm home lab appliance", maybe using OSTree instead of packages 17:14:02 <pboy> - Another possible special case ("single purpose): Server as host for virtual machines, maybe that supports/includes something like proxmox management tools or oVirt. And maybe use OSTree, too (because auf single purpose edition). 17:14:15 <pboy> Any ideas or comments or wishes to include or to leave something off? 17:14:29 <pboy> eom (end of bunch) 17:15:51 <eseyman> I like the VM host idea 17:17:34 <jwhimpel> THey all sound reasonable to me. 17:17:42 <pboy> Any other comment / idea? Or are you still reading? 17:17:51 <cooltshirtguy> they sound good 17:18:45 <pboy> Yeah, I think it is a plan for 2 years to so. So we will have to decide about an ordering. No now, but sometime 17:19:07 <cooltshirtguy> we could get off into the weeds with multiple "special cases" 17:19:33 <pboy> Yes, we may not create to many of them, indeed. 17:19:54 <pboy> Or may be, we only create one of them. 17:20:29 <pboy> I would prefer to work on the Server as VM host project first. 17:20:47 <jwhimpel> Agreed 17:21:04 <pboy> But I've heard of many people looking for a good home server solution. 17:23:14 <pboy> About the procedure: I would send my draft / drafts as a LibreOffice file. This is the best for me. Is that OK for everyone? Can someone not read this? 17:23:38 <pboy> And by direct mail. 17:23:53 <jwhimpel> I can read them okay. 17:24:03 <eseyman> yes, that's fine 17:24:14 <pboy> OK, thanks 17:24:19 <cooltshirtguy> thats fine 17:25:12 <pboy> So, I suppose that's all at the moment? Discussion will come up with the first draft, I think and hope. 17:25:22 <cooltshirtguy> lol 17:26:01 <pboy> yeah 17:26:50 <pboy> On the practical procedure: So far none of us besides me will join Flock this year. Or is there a change? 17:27:12 <eseyman> sorry, no 17:27:27 <cooltshirtguy> nope 17:27:31 <jwhimpel> nope 17:28:13 <pboy> I can make the presentation alone, but I need support with the preparation: Wording, check of arguments, what want we to say, what probably not at the moment. 17:28:58 <pboy> The presentation itself is my day job. That's routine 17:29:45 <pboy> So I hope for a lot of comments. Even if it's just an OK. :-) 17:29:50 <jwhimpel> Post url's on M/L and I'll try to review. 17:30:09 <pboy> Yes, I will. 17:30:22 <pboy> Let's switch to next topic? 17:30:43 <pboy> #topic Could we drop Active Directory requirements from Fedora release criteria? 17:30:53 <pboy> No issue created yet. 17:31:04 <pboy> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/VKTFTPD5SXYX7YLRU7LFVWKYKKJL5H56/ 17:31:14 <eseyman> I have no opinon on the matter 17:31:14 <pboy> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/could-we-drop-active-directory-requirements-from-fedora-release-criteria/84434 17:31:59 <pboy> Well, the current plan / proposal is to try and implement automated testing using Samba AD as the server end (instead of a native Windows server) and to keep the status of release criteria. 17:32:15 <pboy> I' would expect, that there is no drawback using Samba AD. 17:32:32 <pboy> And we would keep everything as is. 17:32:40 <jwhimpel> I don't have any opinion as I don't use anything with Active Directory. 17:33:02 <pboy> Me too (i.e. don't use it) 17:33:13 <jwhimpel> I assume the FreeIPA folks might have an opinion. 17:33:57 <pboy> Yes, they came up with the proposal of using Samba and the request to keep it a criteria 17:34:34 <cooltshirtguy> I'm ok with dropping it. I've never used Samba AD personally or in an enterprise environment 17:36:11 <cooltshirtguy> I'm on the fence either way. 17:36:23 <pboy> cooltshirtguy yes, but for sake of Server as a reliable production tool we shouldn't trade off a feature which has a central role at the moment. 17:37:26 <pboy> I suppose we agree about: WG agrees about to use automated testing using Samba AD as the server end (instead of a native Windows server) and to keep the status of release criteria. 17:37:50 <pboy> any objections? 17:37:55 <eseyman> nope 17:38:02 <cooltshirtguy> no 17:38:05 <jwhimpel> No objection 17:38:17 <pboy> #agreed WG agrees about to use automated testing using Samba AD as the server end (instead of a native Windows server) and to keep the status of release criteria. 17:38:29 <pboy> OK, next one 17:38:43 <pboy> #topic 3. F39 Work Project: Fedora Server on (ARM) SBC 17:38:51 <pboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/108 17:39:01 <pboy> Objective here. Deciding about the next steps 17:39:16 <pboy> I suppose it is: Compose a list of SBCs someone of us own and can use for testing 17:39:25 <pboy> And a list of about 5 devices that are available on the market and that looks as if it is useful. 17:39:34 <pboy> Currently, we have this (as a proposal / first draft) 17:39:45 <pboy> #link https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/server-on-sbc/reference-list/ 17:39:56 <pboy> The goal is to assess each device and provide some additional information on capabilities and installation. I did that very briefly for the Radxa Pi4 and the Pine64 RockPro64. We should also systematize this additional information somewhat. 17:40:10 <pboy> The floor is open. :-) 17:41:15 <jwhimpel> I seem to recall something about using the VM currently being used by ansible/Wildfly testing being used for something different at FLOCK. Is that the case? 17:42:37 <pboy> I can't remember. We can do that, the VM is capable enough. But we must not in any case interfere with the Wildfly Project !!! I think 17:43:28 <pboy> It wouldn't be a problem to set up another VM for another project. There is plenty of power and space 17:43:48 <jwhimpel> Good. I hope to start testing some updates next week to get TLS to work with a reverse proxy frontend. 17:44:34 <pboy> Very good. That is my question out of topic: wheather we can continue with it. 17:45:15 <pboy> s/wheather/whether/ 17:45:22 <pboy> :-) 17:45:25 <eseyman> I've been tapped at work to deliver a SMTP gateway by end of week 17:45:42 <eseyman> I'll document the process and rebase it on Fedora Server afterwards 17:45:57 <pboy> Looking forward to it!! 17:46:03 <cooltshirtguy> interesting 17:46:19 <pboy> I'm pfeparing a tutorial setting up a mail service. 17:46:41 <pboy> I'll publish it in stg till end of week. 17:46:50 <pboy> So we can coordinate! 17:47:07 <cooltshirtguy> nice 17:47:12 <jwhimpel> pboy: the linuxbabe.com site has a good writeup on email setup on Centos 8 that might be helpful. 17:47:42 <pboy> jwhimpel: Didn't found that. Thanks, I'll have a look. 17:48:08 <pboy> But back to topic. 17:48:28 <pboy> I remeber, some of us have / own one or more SBCs 17:48:45 <pboy> Can we add those to the list above? 17:50:31 <cooltshirtguy> i have pi4's. 17:50:56 <pboy> Yeah, can you use one temporarly for testing? 17:51:08 <jwhimpel> I have several ODROID-N2's, but I'm only running Ubuntu Server on them. There is someone on their forum that claims to get Fedora Workstation running on them, but no details on how. 17:52:10 <pboy> If I remeber correctly, the N2 is support, it's nearly the only ODROID if I remeber correctly. 17:52:22 <pboy> I'll check it. 17:52:57 <cooltshirtguy> yeppers 17:53:26 <pboy> eseyman can you use your (old) vim1 for testing? It's still a valuable device 17:53:39 <jwhimpel> pboy: Thanks! it's a very capable sbc. 17:53:42 <eseyman> that is the plan 17:53:46 <pboy> OK. 17:54:19 <pboy> So I'll add the devices to the draft. And next meeting we'll talk about the tests: OK? 17:54:47 <pboy> I see no objections. 17:54:58 <cooltshirtguy> sure 17:55:25 <pboy> Our time is nearly up. So I think we should skip 4 and proceed with open floor. Any objections? 17:55:45 <eseyman> configuring the flashstor and setting it up is my first priority but sure 17:56:17 <pboy> Yeah. I'm looking forward how that works with fedora. 17:56:25 <cooltshirtguy> nope 17:56:28 <pboy> Well, I switch now 17:56:38 <pboy> #topic 5. Open Floor 17:56:51 <pboy> (a) 17:56:51 <pboy> We have a "Fedora Server 38 DVD" 17:57:02 <pboy> What the hell is that? :-) 17:57:22 <pboy> That sounds very old fashioned. We should change this to STD on this occasion, (F39) 17:57:55 <pboy> I.e. "Fedora Server STD" instead of Fedora Server DVD" 17:58:20 <pboy> Does anyone value DVD? 17:58:26 <eseyman> nope 17:58:31 <cooltshirtguy> no but STD is funny 17:58:36 <eseyman> PXE or USB all the way 17:59:06 <pboy> cooltshirtguy. I had no better idea. Do you have one? 17:59:42 <cooltshirtguy> not at the moment, still laughing 17:59:52 <cooltshirtguy> SD 18:00:06 <pboy> What means SD? 18:00:21 <eseyman> I'm not sure what STD means, TBH 18:00:33 <pboy> STD for Standard 18:00:33 <eseyman> I'm stuck on the medical definition 18:00:38 <eseyman> ah 18:01:00 <cooltshirtguy> SD = standard 18:01:04 <pboy> Or may be local? 18:01:34 <pboy> okay, if SD is the commen abbreviation that would be fine for me 18:01:49 <pboy> commen -> common 18:01:56 <cooltshirtguy> I just think we shouldnt use STD 18:02:25 <pboy> Well, do we agree about STD? 18:02:42 <pboy> Then I would go to releng for this 18:03:14 <pboy> OK I think we agree 18:03:22 <eseyman> yes 18:03:28 <pboy> (b) 18:03:28 <pboy> Setting up a basic web server 18:03:37 <cooltshirtguy> I think STD is the correct abbreviation. I'll always laugh though 18:03:42 <pboy> #link https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/services/httpd-basic-setup/ 18:03:52 <pboy> There is obviously a bug in the ssl package configuration file. I need help to confirm the bug and the work around. 18:04:09 <pboy> The description is part of the doc 18:04:21 <pboy> A step back: STD is it. 18:04:44 <pboy> GThe bug is a serious one regarding SSL connections 18:05:47 <pboy> Well, anything else to discuss here? 18:06:35 <cooltshirtguy> nope 18:06:41 <eseyman> don't think so 18:07:14 <pboy> OK. Our time is up. So we should close and meet in 14 days. 18:07:32 <pboy> Bye Bye 18:07:47 <pboy> And thanks to everyone for the good discussion. 18:08:03 <pboy> #endmeeting