15:00:37 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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15:00:42 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:00:47 <adamw> #topic Roll Call
15:01:32 * coremodule_ is here
15:01:33 <bcotton> .hello2
15:01:34 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
15:01:40 <coremodule_> Good morning adamw!
15:02:02 <adamw> hi folks
15:02:10 * tflink[m] is here
15:04:12 <adamw> welp, thin crowd, which is good cos i've got a thin agenda =)
15:04:24 <bcotton> and i have thinning hair
15:04:38 <adamw> oh god, don't remind me
15:06:05 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:06:15 <adamw> ooh, this is exciting, i have no idea if i forgot to do something this time
15:06:42 <adamw> oh no, i didn't. aw, that's disappointing
15:06:45 <adamw> oh well, i'm sure i forgot to do lots of other things
15:06:51 <adamw> #info no action items at last meeting
15:06:52 <bcotton> better luck next time
15:10:21 <adamw> thanks...i...guess?
15:10:27 <adamw> here, let's play a game i'm gonna call Meeting Roulette
15:10:30 <adamw> #chair bcotton
15:10:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw bcotton
15:10:34 <adamw> now you can give me action items
15:10:42 <bcotton> oh wow
15:10:43 <adamw> use this power wisely
15:10:47 <bcotton> is that even legal?
15:11:06 <adamw> i won't narc if you don't
15:11:23 <bcotton> #action adamw to migrate release criteria from the wiki to docs.fp.o
15:11:24 * bcotton runs
15:11:52 <adamw> ...well that one's gonna be in the followup section for a while
15:12:35 <bcotton> i'd hate for your can-kicking muscles to atrophy
15:14:12 <adamw> #topic hah
15:14:14 <adamw> d'oh
15:14:16 <adamw> #undo
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15:14:23 <adamw> i had #topic typed already. :D
15:14:27 <tflink[m]> I thought we had talked about doing that in the past and decided it wasn't worth the effort. Did something change?
15:14:38 <adamw> did we talk about it?
15:14:50 <adamw> the thing that changed is that everybody else desperately wants to kill the wiki for some reason
15:14:53 <adamw> the poor wiki, it never hurt anyone
15:14:54 <tflink[m]> Years ago
15:15:13 <adamw> sure it was the criteria not the test cases?
15:15:27 <bcotton> i'd settle for having criteria be an ordered list so that we could easily refer to "criterion 8.6.7.5.3.0.9", e.g.
15:15:40 <adamw> the criteria i think we probably cooould move, relatively easily...i don't think they have any fancy templating tricks going on
15:15:59 <bcotton> also i think the pull request workflow is a big improvement for proposing changes because you can't do that in the wiki
15:16:00 <bcotton> but
15:16:10 <bcotton> mostly i'm just poking adam because I can
15:16:11 <adamw> Ben Cotton (he/him): okay, you come up with a numbering scheme that we will *never* realize we need to change
15:16:34 <bcotton> it can change between releases 🤷
15:16:44 <tflink[m]> I wondered if that was the case :)
15:16:46 <adamw> hum. i'll think about it!
15:16:57 <bcotton> but if I invent one, I'm calling it the "Screwy Decimal System"
15:17:43 <adamw> i feel like that has to exist already
15:17:57 <adamw> probably an obscure Wierd Al b-side
15:18:13 <adamw> #topic Fedora 38 and 39 check-in
15:20:11 <nirik> FWIW, I am probibly going to be upgrading the wiki in the next week or two... :)
15:20:11 <adamw> oh gee, buckle your pants for Fun
15:20:27 <adamw> drop me a line when staging gets upgraded and i'll test stuff
15:20:29 <adamw> sooo, yeah, we released a thing
15:20:51 <adamw> i have seen enough reports of https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2187837 to be worried, but not enough to figure out what's going on
15:21:32 <adamw> basically, for some people packagekit crashed during the upgrade to f38, leaving the transaction incomplete and breaking various things due to operations from late in the upgrade process that didn't happen
15:21:42 <adamw> the most obvious symptom for most people is that GNOME Software doesn't start
15:22:14 <adamw> it's possible this is a single repeatable bug, and it's also possible each reporter had an incomplete upgrade for a different reason but saw the same symptoms, that's entirely possible
15:22:28 <adamw> (if the upgrade fails in a similar place you'll see similar symptoms, regardless of the cause)
15:22:33 <adamw> anyone run into any more cases like that?
15:26:11 <adamw> i guess not! well, keep an eye out. if anyone hits it, do not wipe the machine, and keep all the logs
15:31:51 <adamw> seen a few other random problems on mastodon, but nothing that seems to rise to the level of a trend
15:32:21 <adamw> Rawhide seems pretty solid right now, still just three known failures in openqa (lvm resizing and Arabic missing from the installer)
15:32:21 <adamw> any other notes on f38/f39?
15:32:39 <tflink[m]> nothing from me
15:35:03 <adamw> #info Fedora 38 seems to be going over generally well, there's a potential issue with upgrades crashing, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2187837 and preserve all logs if you encounter this
15:35:14 <adamw> #info Fedora 39 (Rawhide) is fairly stable at present
15:35:28 <adamw> #topic Test Day / community event status
15:36:16 <adamw> #info the call for Test Days has gone out, please go ahead and file a ticket if you'd like to propose a Test Day for Fedora 39 cycle: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/BVGUCIDZ7RJ7RR5PZMCCC5RYB5D4ACMQ/
15:38:36 <adamw> anything else?
15:41:57 <adamw> guess not!
15:41:59 <adamw> #topic Open floor
15:42:03 <adamw> any other business, folks?
15:42:10 <coremodule_> nothing here...
15:42:11 <tflink[m]> nothing here, no
15:45:17 * bcotton has nothing
15:47:21 <adamw> alrighty, thanks for coming folks
15:47:27 <adamw> #endmeeting