14:01:07 <bcotton> #startmeeting Council (2023-03-15)
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14:01:18 <bcotton> #chair dcantrell siddharthvipul1 jwf bookwar mattdm bcotton sumantrom bt0 t0xic0der
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14:01:26 <bcotton> #topic Introductions, Welcomes
14:01:33 <AkashdeepDhar[m]> .hello t0xic0der
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14:01:52 <bcotton> hello, who is around to help stab Caesar?
14:01:52 <AkashdeepDhar[m]> I would like to punch if ye don't mine ;P
14:01:57 <AkashdeepDhar[m]> s/mine/mind/g
14:02:10 <dcantrell> .hello2
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14:02:44 <dcantrell> well that wasn't fun
14:03:08 <dcantrell> bcotton: at any rate, I am here
14:03:24 <AkashdeepDhar[m]> Howdy dcantrell!
14:03:34 <bcotton> well who cares what zodbot thinks then? ;-)
14:05:08 <bcotton> is it just going to be the three of us?
14:05:15 <dcantrell> mattdm is on PTO
14:05:22 * jwf waves
14:05:25 <bcotton> yeah, i know
14:05:28 <bcotton> hey justin
14:05:29 <jwf> Apologies, just came from the Badges roundtable!
14:05:35 * jwf reads the scrollback
14:06:09 <jwf> OK, didn't miss too much 🙂
14:06:33 <jwf> Did we have an agenda in place for today? I was at a conference on Monday and Tuesday, and still climbing back into email/Discussion/Chat/all the things
14:06:50 <AkashdeepDhar[m]> Hey Justin W. Flory (he/him) !
14:07:05 <bcotton> alright, well I guess we'll start with what we have
14:07:16 <bcotton> Justin W. Flory (he/him): same place it always is https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/council-meeting-agenda-2023-03-15/79445
14:07:20 <bcotton> #topic Today's agenda
14:07:23 <bcotton> #info New meeting time
14:07:25 <bcotton> #info Flock
14:07:38 <bcotton> #info Strategy2028 reminders
14:07:43 <bcotton> #info General ticketry
14:07:46 <bcotton> #info Your topics here
14:07:57 <bcotton> #topic New meeting time
14:08:03 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/439
14:08:22 <bcotton> I proposed Wednesdays at 8:30 AM Eastern in the ticket
14:08:33 <bcotton> all times are terrible, based on the feedback. i tried to pick a least-terrible option
14:08:35 <dcantrell> that is right in the middle of my weekly team meeting
14:09:15 <bcotton> there are literally no times that aren't a conflict for someone
14:09:32 <jwf> bcotton: This works for me, with the caveat that once a month, I will miss because of the Fedora Badges monthly roundtable
14:09:41 <dcantrell> understandable.  but of all the meetings I can skip, this is not one of them.  so I would only ever be able to attend if my team meeting is cancelled
14:09:42 <bcotton> and that's with only ~60% of the council providing feedback in the first place
14:09:44 <AkashdeepDhar[m]> 1800 my time. Works
14:10:36 <AkashdeepDhar[m]> jwf: +1 to this.
14:10:39 <jwf> Ben Cotton (he/him): Maybe you could pitch a second and third best time? This meeting is important and if need be, I might be able to rearrange a meeting I have to fit this in.
14:11:31 <bcotton> i'll make the link public and put it in the ticket
14:11:31 <jwf> Also, I think my response might already be out of date with some specific slots…
14:11:52 <bcotton> but to be perfectly blunt, i'm tired of trying to drag this to completion
14:13:06 <jwf> Very fair
14:13:31 <jwf> It is exhausting to wrangle.
14:13:41 <dcantrell> I say just schedule it and then those of us with conflicts can deal
14:13:55 <dcantrell> I may be able to have my team shift it's meeting or pick another day, I dunno
14:14:03 <dcantrell> but that's likely easier than finding a time that works for all of us
14:14:05 <bcotton> #info Proposed time doesn't work. Results link is posted to the ticket for anyone who wants to make an alternate proposal
14:14:14 <bcotton> #topic Flock
14:14:36 <bcotton> #info Prospectus link for review
14:14:36 <jwf> dcantrell, perhaps one option to consider is you choosing a secondary time that works best for you, then looking at the Whenisgood and suggesting a second time. We could also try alternating slots, every week doesn't have to be at the same time.
14:14:37 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/446
14:14:48 <dcantrell> let me look
14:16:25 <bcotton> justin do you have the feedback you need here or is there still more to work on?
14:16:25 <jwf> dcantrell: 👍️
14:16:25 <jwf> bcotton: I'd like a ticket vote and tagged the ticket accordingly, but I am just seeing the feedback on Discussion now
14:16:40 <jwf> I can follow up there today.
14:16:42 <bcotton> ok
14:17:21 <jwf> The feedback on booths and keynotes is fair
14:17:34 <jwf> I had a conversation with someone who remembered that we had a table at least once in the past, but maybe that was the Red Hat UX clinic with the caricatures and podcasts
14:17:46 <jwf> At 2017 Cape Cod Flock
14:17:49 <jwf> That was nice, but it was definitely not your typical "booth"
14:18:10 <bcotton> yeah, that matches a point matthew made
14:18:12 <jwf> I'm not that sold on booths either, but I was trying to think through the right balance of what is a competitive sponsorship offer or not.
14:18:51 <jwf> I put the booth at a higher tier so we could try to have something thematic and ideally have just a handful of them, but maybe it needs more guidance than just a booth
14:19:00 <jwf> Because a traditional booth/stand would be a waste, I feel…
14:19:21 <jwf> Not sure how to codify something like that UX clinic booth in 2017 into the prospectus
14:19:51 * jwf is thinking aloud here
14:20:16 <jwf> If there are no immediate questions or clarifications, then we can probably go to the next topic. But feedback in the Fedora Discussion topic is definitely appreciated and needed
14:20:20 <bcotton> i wonder if we should just wait and see if any prospective sponsors as fo ra booth
14:20:55 <bcotton> we should also see if i can learn to type :-)
14:20:55 <jwf> A final vote in one week would be nice so the Design Team can get us something before end of March.
14:21:25 <bcotton> but at the higher levels, we could definitely negotiate if having a table presence of some kind is a must-have for them
14:21:25 <jwf> bcotton: This is also an option, and then we have a conversation with the prospective sponsor about what a booth would look like for Flock.
14:22:01 <jwf> bcotton: Yeah. And if a sponsor had a cool thing to bring, that would be cool. I saw an AWS booth at All Things Open that was an arcade cabinet booth. People just came and played arcade games together there.
14:22:05 <bcotton> #help Please provide feedback like nowish in the Discussion thread https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-council-tickets-ticket-446-flock-2023-sponsorship-prospectus-levels/79256/
14:22:27 <bcotton> #info Justin would like to have the final vote in 1 week in order to give the Design Team time to create the assets
14:22:38 <jwf> 💯
14:23:35 <bcotton> in other Flock-related news, do you want to say anything about venue now or wait until the announcement is ready
14:23:44 <jwf> I mean, it is as final as final can be.
14:24:00 <bcotton> that doesn't mean you want to pre-announce :-)
14:24:03 <jwf> #info This year, Flock will be Monday, 1 August to Friday, 4 August in Cork, Ireland.
14:24:24 <jwf> I am content with zodbot meeting logs being as close to a "pre-announce" as it gets. Kudos to anyone reading the logs :P
14:24:30 <jwf> But right, the venue name…
14:24:32 <dcantrell> that's the location, what about the venue?
14:25:08 <dcantrell> I assume it'll be in a castle
14:25:51 <jwf> That would be nice.
14:26:00 <jwf> I am pretty sure it is Clayton Hotel Silver Springs. My browser is deadlocked right now though so I am not confident enough to zodbot that.
14:26:22 <jwf> But I am more sure than I am unsure, so that puts it at 60% odds. I have an #action to make a CommBlog post today.
14:26:24 <jwf> The details will definitely be there.
14:26:30 <dcantrell> reasonable
14:26:57 <bcotton> #action jflory7 to write Community Blog post announcing Flock dates and location
14:27:23 <bcotton> anything else Flocky?
14:27:24 <jwf> I think that's all.
14:27:28 <AkashdeepDhar[m]> Not sure if we should mention the FMS part here
14:27:56 <AkashdeepDhar[m]> (FMS = Fedora Mentor Summit)
14:28:42 <jwf> Yeah, we are exploring a satellite one-day event on mentoring after Flock. It may or may not share the same venue, but I have some follow-ups to do before I write this post. I don't have much to share on that right now.
14:29:03 <AkashdeepDhar[m]> Noted
14:29:33 <bcotton> cool
14:29:48 <bcotton> #topic Strategy2028 reminders
14:30:08 <bcotton> #info Reminder that we have Focus Area and Objective review posts live
14:30:30 <bcotton> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/tag/strategy2028
14:30:49 <bcotton> #info The accessibility focus area thread closes in 3 days
14:30:52 <bcotton> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-strategy-2028-focus-area-review-accessibility/46898/
14:31:15 <bcotton> I don't think there's much to discuss in meeting, just more for reminder's sake. But if anyone has something, raise your hand now
14:32:14 <AkashdeepDhar[m]> Nothing from my end, no.
14:32:15 <jwf> Looks good to me, I have nothing more to add.
14:32:32 <dcantrell> nothing from me
14:32:48 <bcotton> #topic General ticketry https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issues
14:33:40 <bcotton> #info The CoC license ticket currentl sits at (+2,1,-0)
14:33:41 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/445
14:34:06 <bcotton> so it would be good to get some more votes on that, but if not, Justin W. Flory (he/him) , i think you can consider it approved
14:34:30 <jwf> dcantrell and Akashdeep Dhar (He/Him), your feedback there would be nice
14:34:43 <dcantrell> I can read and vote in the ticket
14:34:46 <jwf> I can relay the outcome to Marie if she is not already following the ticket
14:34:52 <AkashdeepDhar[m]> On it
14:34:56 <jwf> Thanks!
14:35:33 <bcotton> sadly bookwar and sumantrom are not here to comment on #434 and #435
14:35:55 <bcotton> #action bcotton to ping assignees in tickets 434 and 435
14:36:23 <bcotton> i believe #436 is in progress and partially blocked by #434
14:37:08 <bcotton> #info Code of Conduct Committee proposal (#442) is in the public comment period through Monday 20 March
14:37:20 <bcotton> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/council-policy-proposal-code-of-conduct-committee/
14:37:30 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/442
14:37:54 <jwf> bcotton: Seems like a fair assessment, although there is definitely a comms side to that worth exploring. I am also thinking we should flip the bit on #436 to public but… it is a side-topic for this exact moment and not urgent.
14:38:51 <jwf> bcotton: Voting begins in two weeks, so we should wait for community comments and questions first before casting a vote. Is this a correct understanding?
14:39:31 <jwf> Cool
14:39:31 <bcotton> yes, that's the process
14:40:49 <bcotton> anything else on tickets at this point?
14:41:11 <jwf> #426 can be closed when my CommBlog post goes live.
14:41:20 <bcotton> ack
14:41:56 <jwf> Also, we should bring the contributor hackfest ticket back into view. A Council topic of teams or groups we would like to support on hackfests we want would be nice.
14:42:18 <jwf> There is a budget piece there that would reward us for coming up with a list of hackfests sooner than later.
14:42:39 <jwf> Nothing to solve now, but for next time…
14:42:41 <jwf> (#419)
14:43:00 <bcotton> didn't we have that conversation? or am I imagining that?
14:43:11 <jwf> I think we have had it informally over the last many months.
14:43:30 <jwf> But I'd like to have one and drive an outcome. An outcome where I am also not organizing the hackfests.
14:44:09 <bcotton> yeah, i think the teams requesting the hackfest are the ones who should organize them
14:44:40 <jwf> If we are chatty about it, I know Mindshare/CommOps and Fedora Badges are two that are top of mind for me. I might be more hands-on with the Mindshare/CommOps one but realistically I would have capacity for one and only one hackfest and it would also most likely be post-Flock.
14:45:20 <jwf> bcotton: Agreed, although some encouragement and an overview of the general process would be nice. I feel like we had docs for this once upon a time, but for the life of me I can't remember where that is, or even what the instructions were
14:45:26 <jwf> I know I did it in 2016 and 2017 :-)
14:46:53 <jwf> Also, depending on the scope for each hackfest, there is an unknown probability that we might not be able to get all three that we planned for, so planning earlier is better than later so we can prioritize.
14:47:16 <jwf> But, I am thinking out loud again and rambling, I wasn't prepped to have this discussion right now. But priming it for next time would be good
14:47:21 <jwf> so the timing is good for next meeting's agenda
14:47:43 <jwf> That's all on the ticket queue from me for now
14:48:23 <bcotton> ack
14:48:49 <bcotton> oh, there's not a ticket on it, but any update on Mindshare selecting a rep?
14:49:11 <jwf> Negative. I have a window full of tabs with Mindshare stuff to do but will try to prioritize it for end of the week
14:49:32 <jwf> Flock first though…
14:50:05 <bcotton> ack
14:50:09 <bcotton> #topic Open floor
14:50:10 <bcotton> anything else for today?
14:50:24 <jwf> I squeezed in all my other topics elsewhere. Nothing more from me.
14:52:36 <bcotton> alrighty, I guess that's it
14:52:37 <bcotton> thanks everyone
14:52:37 <bcotton> #endmeeting