17:00:21 <bcotton> #startmeeting F38 Beta Go/No-Go meeting 17:00:21 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Mar 9 17:00:21 2023 UTC. 17:00:21 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:00:21 <zodbot> The chair is bcotton. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 17:00:21 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:21 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'f38_beta_go/no-go_meeting' 17:00:21 <bcotton> #meetingname F38-Beta-Go_No_Go-meeting 17:00:21 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'f38-beta-go_no_go-meeting' 17:00:28 <bcotton> #topic Roll Call 17:00:31 <Eighth_Doctor> .hello ngompa 17:00:32 <zodbot> Eighth_Doctor: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com> 17:00:40 <luna> .hello bittin 17:00:41 <zodbot> luna: bittin 'Luna Jernberg' <droidbittin@gmail.com> 17:00:53 <Alessio[m]> .hello alciregi 17:00:54 <zodbot> Alessio[m]: alciregi 'Alessio C' <alciregi@posteo.net> 17:02:50 <copperi[m]> .hello copperi 17:02:51 <zodbot> copperi[m]: copperi 'Jan Kuparinen' <copper_fin@hotmail.com> 17:04:09 * bcotton waits another minute or so 17:06:12 <bcotton> #topic Purpose of this meeting 17:06:12 <bcotton> #info Purpose of this meeting is to check whether or not F38 Beta is ready for shipment, according to the release criteria. 17:06:12 <bcotton> #info This is determined in a few ways: 17:06:13 <bcotton> #info 1. No remaining blocker bugs 17:06:13 <bcotton> #info 2. Release candidate compose is available 17:06:13 <bcotton> #info 3. Test matrices are fully completed 17:06:13 * SumantroMukherje is here 17:06:13 <bcotton> #topic Current status - blockers 17:06:26 <bcotton> #link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/38/beta/buglist 17:06:57 <bcotton> so we don't actually have any 17:07:16 <sgallagh> .hi 17:07:16 <bcotton> unless anyone wants to raise a last-minute one 17:07:17 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com> 17:08:10 <luna> GNOME crashing when trying to start different software: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2023-32625456a1 but might be fixed before the 14th hopefully 17:08:22 <nirik> morning 17:08:46 <adamw> hi hi 17:08:56 <bcotton> luna: well if it's a blocker, it needs to be fixed before release 17:09:00 <bcotton> not on release day 17:09:11 <lruzicka> .hello2 17:09:12 <zodbot> lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' <lruzicka@redhat.com> 17:09:53 <Alessio[m]> luna: btw these updates are not in the beta1.3 compose, isn't it? 17:09:57 <nirik> that update did not go forward 17:10:08 <luna> bcotton: ah tough we where discussing blockers before the Beta release, well hopefully its fixed before the stable release as GNOME 44 is 22th March and Fedora 38 in mid or end April 17:10:15 <luna> Alessio[m]: good question have not checked 17:10:23 <bcotton> okay cool, so "no blockers" is what i'm hearing ;-) 17:10:44 <luna> nirik: ah then its just in a branched compose and hopefully fine then 17:10:46 <frantisekz> it's not in the 1.3 17:10:58 <frantisekz> it was even unpoushed from the -testing 17:11:01 <bcotton> #info There are no outstanding accepted or proposed blockers 17:11:02 <luna> and just me that don't understand how all branches works yet 17:11:06 <luna> frantisekz: perfect 17:11:24 <bcotton> #topic Current status - test matrices 17:11:24 <bcotton> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_38_Test_Results 17:11:38 <bcotton> I have it on good authority that Top People™ are running the AD tests now 17:11:48 <bcotton> how are we looking otherwise, adamw ? 17:12:07 <luna> been bad at filling that in again, but workstation Beta 1.2 and 1.3 works but 1.2 have other problems if i read adamws mail correctly 17:12:30 <adamw> mostyl good 17:12:31 <adamw> i'm doing quick ec2 testing rn 17:12:32 <adamw> stand by 17:12:38 * luna promises to be better at editing wiki 17:12:54 <nirik> please only test 1.3... 1.1 and 1.2 were... not right. ;) 17:13:23 <luna> nirik: yeah i reinstalled that VM with 1.3 and then branched composes by now 17:13:53 <luna> when i saw adamw s mail 17:14:27 <adamw> luna: using relval is easier than editing the wiki directly 17:15:06 <luna> adamw: ah you told me that before and then i forgot about it, need to really check on it this time 17:16:19 <AhmedA> I wonder what it will be this time the compose is on beta 17:16:31 * sgallagh is currently running the AD tests for Server Edition. 17:16:43 <adamw> thanks a lot 17:16:47 <adamw> sorry i forgot to ping you about this before :( 17:16:50 <adamw> all the fires 17:17:22 <sgallagh> No problem. But we really need to get that automated one of these days. 17:17:32 <adamw> yeah. i vaguely look at it every so often and it looks hard... 17:18:01 <bcotton> do we need to pause for a few minutes for the ec2 and AD tests to complete? 17:19:24 <adamw> i just need like five mins 17:19:25 <adamw> everything looks fine 17:20:31 <AhmedA> is coconut adam? 17:20:35 <bcotton> Stephen Gallagher: how much time do you need? 17:20:44 <luna> AhmedA: think its a bot if i remember correctly 17:20:58 <nirik> yeah, it's openqa's bot account 17:21:15 <sgallagh> Ben Cotton (he/him): Five minutes if it's broken, up to 20 if it's working. :) 17:22:06 <bcotton> haha, well i'm feeling positive, so let's reconvene at :40 past the hour (1740 UTC) 17:22:17 <lruzicka> all right 17:22:59 <adamw> ok, everything but service manip for ec2 is fine. still running service manip but no reason it'd fail. 17:23:34 <adamw> nirik (@nirik:libera.chat): well, not just openqa, also the size check script reports as coconut 17:24:51 <nirik> coconuts everywhere. 17:25:00 <AhmedA> One thing I want to learn is openqa as I test manually 17:25:16 <nirik> 🥥there's even an emoji for that. :) 17:27:06 <sgallagh> All the basic AD tests are looking good. Doing some of the slightly more detailed tests now. 17:27:12 <sgallagh> (Will update the wiki when I'm done) 17:27:24 <bcotton> woohoo 17:27:39 <AhmedA> the live install is smaller than the server one no idea how that is 17:27:48 <AhmedA> the live workstation one 17:28:45 <adamw> Stephen Gallagher: awesome, thanks. 17:28:51 <adamw> ahmeda: server DVD has a lot of optional packages on it. 17:28:57 <lruzicka> AhmedA, openQA is wonderful, it tests for you and you can enjoy Pina collada. 17:29:40 <luna> lruzicka: with coconut 17:29:55 <sgallagh> 🎵 You put the lime in the coconut... 17:30:12 <adamw> ahmeda: you don't really need to learn openqa unless you want to help us maintain it, it just does its job =) testing manually is really useful because there are tests we can't really automate 17:30:57 <AhmedA> I'm not much of a coder more a networker 17:32:55 <adamw> ec2 tests are good 17:33:16 <sgallagh> I've done all the AD tests except for the kickstart test (which will probably take me a while to get through due to changes in the KS format that happen every release). It passed on FreeIPA, so I have little concern about it. 17:33:43 <adamw> we are missing the exotic storage tests lnie usually does 17:34:00 <sgallagh> Which exotic storage? 17:34:24 <adamw> but we can probably live with that 17:34:25 <adamw> SAS is the only one that blocks beta 17:34:25 <sgallagh> ah 17:34:26 <adamw> others are FCoE and multipath 17:34:26 <adamw> oh, missing hardware RAID too 17:35:13 <adamw> anyone have an hw raid controller? i don't any more :/ 17:35:16 <lruzicka> unfortunately, we do not have anything to test it on 17:35:31 <sgallagh> What constitutes hw raid vs. fakeraid? 17:35:42 <luna> i have a SAS disk somewhere in a corner, but never tested it so not sure it works if thats of any help :D 17:35:44 <adamw> ah, sas and hw raid were done on the 20230222.n.0 nightly 17:35:48 <adamw> so we can probably go with those results 17:36:24 <adamw> thanks to 'moonlight', whoever you are :) 17:36:33 <nirik> I could... but it would take me a while (we have some new server hw that I haven't installed yet). 17:36:35 <adamw> oh, that's lili's bot 17:37:09 <sgallagh> nirik: Maybe something you could test for GA? 17:37:09 <adamw> Stephen Gallagher: hardware raid is a raid controller that actually does the work (as opposed to having the cpu do it) 17:37:11 <nirik> 🌕 and 🥥 17:37:22 <adamw> Stephen Gallagher: lili would usually do it, i'll just have to check in 17:37:24 <nirik> well, perhaps, although these machines will be in service then. 17:37:35 <nirik> I might be able to repurpose one 17:37:54 <adamw> let me carry the 0222.n.0 results forward for beta. that should be fine. 17:37:55 <sgallagh> ok 17:38:06 * nirik adds a note to todo 17:40:30 <adamw> okay, so coverage is looking excellent now 17:40:45 <luna> :) 17:40:52 <bcotton> #info Test coverage is looking excellent 17:41:03 <bcotton> ( #info we're back, btw) 17:42:20 <bcotton> anything else on test coverage? 17:43:28 <adamw> nope, it's looking great, thanks a lot to everyone who helped test 17:43:40 <luna> no problem, will continue to do so 17:43:52 <bcotton> #topic Current status - RC 17:44:05 <bcotton> #info RC1.3 is the current candidate 17:44:25 <nirik> Theres a few missing artifacts. It was not complete. 17:44:35 <bcotton> alas 17:44:38 <bcotton> what's missing? 17:45:18 <nirik> silverblue/aarch64, SoaS, Scientific_KDE, Games 17:46:08 <bcotton> #info RC1.3 is missing silverblue/aarch64, SoaS, Scientific_KDE, Games 17:46:09 <adamw> silverblue/aarch64 is the worst 17:46:09 <nirik> Those are all in nightlys now (adamw fixed some, others other things fixed) 17:46:10 <Eighth_Doctor> eh? 17:46:10 <adamw> but...given how silverblue rebase/update works, maybe not awful? 17:46:13 <nirik> well, yeah aarch64 silverblue is still not in nightlys 17:46:17 <adamw> presumably people who want to rebase will just get a nightly 17:47:45 <nirik> well, except it's not finishing in nightlys either. 17:48:21 <adamw> well, yeah, but once we fix...whatever's wrong with it. :D 17:48:33 <nirik> right 17:48:58 <nirik> so, I don't think it's a blocker by any means. Also silverblue a64 users are probibly not... large. 17:49:15 <adamw> yes, i hear they all have excellent metabolisms 17:49:35 <sgallagh> <- proof that adamw is a liar 17:50:29 <nirik> question: whats the status on IoT? is it going to release beta at the same time, or after, or ? 17:51:34 <adamw> sigh, yes 17:51:36 <adamw> pbrobinson: around? 17:52:16 <nirik> or pwhalen might know? 17:52:51 <adamw> current candidate is 20230306.1 , tests of it look fine (except for https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11099 which has been ongoing forever) 17:53:23 <pwhalen> We should be fine to release on Tuesday 17:54:01 <pwhalen> adamw: indeed, we hope to get that resolved for final 17:54:06 <smooge> nirik: there are 3 silverblue aarch64 users according to countme 17:54:38 <bcotton> and two of them are gallagher 17:55:00 <nirik> ha. Well, not to say those 3 aren't important... we should fix things... ;) 17:55:04 <smooge> that is more than there were soas users 17:56:09 <bcotton> anything else on the RC? 17:56:40 * nirik has nothing off hand 17:56:58 <adamw> can we #info iot? 17:57:03 <adamw> it's good to have a record 17:57:12 <bcotton> yes, i'll do that (but anyone can info ) 17:57:27 <bcotton> #info Current IoT candidate is 20230306.1 , tests of it look fine (except for https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11099 which has been ongoing forever) 17:58:17 <bcotton> #topic Go/No-Go decision 17:58:29 <bcotton> I will poll each team. Please reply “go” or “no-go” 17:58:32 <bcotton> FESCo? 17:58:38 <nirik> Go 17:58:40 <sgallagh> Go 17:59:01 <adamw> go 17:59:12 <bcotton> #info FESCo is go 17:59:14 <bcotton> Releng? 17:59:16 <sgallagh> (Also, I want to take a moment to appreciate the folks that resolved the FESCo blocker around SHA-1/DSA RPM signatures: that was good work done fast!) 17:59:20 * nirik switches hats 17:59:21 <nirik> go 17:59:29 <bcotton> #info Releng is go 17:59:39 <bcotton> QA? 17:59:41 <AhmedA> Go 17:59:51 * smooge came to hand nirik more hats 17:59:53 <SumantroMukherje> GO 17:59:54 <lruzicka> Go 17:59:58 <adamw> i already said go 18:00:00 <Eighth_Doctor> go! 18:00:02 <bcotton> #info QA is go 18:00:10 <lruzicka> adamw, you have decided 18:00:18 <bcotton> #agreed Fedora Linux 38 Beta is GO 18:00:18 <bcotton> #info Fedora Linux 38 Beta will release on the early target date (2022-03-14) 18:00:19 <bcotton> #info F38 Final freeze begins on Tuesday 2023-04-04 18:00:52 <Eighth_Doctor> 🎊 18:00:52 <nirik> Beta is go! 18:00:52 <bcotton> #action bcotton to announce decision 18:00:52 <adamw> woohoo 18:00:53 <bcotton> #topic Open floor 18:00:53 <bcotton> Anything else we need to discuss before closing? 18:00:55 <SumantroMukherje> yaay! 18:01:02 <copperi[m]> 🐧 18:01:18 <luna> yay release is going forwards 18:01:42 <adamw> i don't think i have anything 18:01:59 <adamw> will be working with workstation team to figure out what's up with the 44~rc update, but it's been unpushed so it shouldn't bite anyone on first update 18:02:25 <bcotton> okay, thanks everyone! 18:02:26 <bcotton> Let's get working on the F38 final! 18:02:27 <bcotton> #endmeeting