14:00:09 <bcotton> #startmeeting Council (2022-05-11)
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14:00:09 <bcotton> #chair bookwar dcantrell siddharthvipul1 riecatnor spot mattdm bcotton sumantrom marianab bt0 t0xic0der
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14:00:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: bcotton bookwar dcantrell siddharthvipul1 riecatnor spot mattdm bcotton sumantrom bt0 marianab t0xic0der
14:00:21 <dcantrell> .hello2
14:00:26 <bcotton> #topic Introductions, Welcomes
14:00:44 <VipulSiddharth[m> .hello siddharthvipul1
14:00:49 <t0xic0der[m]1> .hello t0xic0der
14:01:32 <mattdm> Good $TIMEOFDAY all!
14:02:04 <dcantrell> $GREETINGS
14:02:15 <riecatnor[m]> .hello riecatnor
14:03:57 <bcotton> 🎵it's a small attendance after all! 🎵
14:04:13 <bcotton> #topic Today's agenda
14:04:14 <bcotton> #topic Action item follow up
14:04:14 <bcotton> #info Ticket queue reviews
14:04:14 <bcotton> #info Your topics here!
14:04:21 <dcantrell> the bot has not welcomed me, should it?
14:04:37 <bcotton> the bot is having a day. infra is looking at it
14:04:44 <bcotton> #topic Action item follow up
14:04:44 <bcotton> #info mattdm to close #387, leave the bot running
14:04:52 <bcotton> #info This appears to be done!
14:05:03 <bcotton> #info mattdm to create a historical documents section for old Council docs, Board decisions, etc
14:05:40 <bcotton> this appears to be not-done?
14:05:51 <mattdm> Not so done :)
14:06:05 <bcotton> #action mattdm to create a historical documents section for old Council docs, Board decisions, etc
14:06:09 <bcotton> #info bcotton to write the “economic-political/labour relation to Red Hat” content requested in ticket 388
14:06:11 <dcantrell> so not done
14:06:13 <bcotton> speaking of not done!
14:06:20 <bcotton> #action bcotton to write the “economic-political/labour relation to Red Hat” content requested in ticket 388
14:06:22 <mattdm> What % is a passing grade in this class?
14:06:31 <bcotton> threeve
14:06:35 <dcantrell> I thought we were all taking this pass/fail
14:07:11 <bcotton> #topic Ticket queue reviews
14:07:34 <zodbot> dcantrell: dcantrell 'David Cantrell' <dcantrell@redhat.com>
14:07:37 <zodbot> VipulSiddharth[m: siddharthvipul1 'Vipul Siddharth' <siddharthvipul1@gmail.com>
14:07:39 <bcotton> so there are three newish tickets that we should maybe talk about for a bit
14:07:41 <zodbot> t0xic0der[m]1: t0xic0der 'Akashdeep Dhar' <akashdeep.dhar@gmail.com>
14:07:45 <bcotton> yay, zodbot
14:07:47 <zodbot> riecatnor[m]: riecatnor 'Marie Nordin' <mnordin@redhat.com>
14:07:52 <VipulSiddharth[m> oh oh, good morning
14:07:54 <dcantrell> welcome, zodbot
14:08:25 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/399
14:08:58 <bcotton> there hasn't been much discussion on this. it's not super time-sensitive, but i imagine there's probably some "too late" point
14:09:17 <VipulSiddharth[m> I am +1 to this!
14:09:17 <VipulSiddharth[m> I will comment on the thread
14:09:40 <dcantrell> I say we sign it.  I am not sure if stuff like this has to be brought to RH legal first, but I imagine not?
14:10:12 <mattdm> I don't think this one needs to go to RH legal. We're not committing to anything.
14:10:16 <dcantrell> right
14:10:19 <mattdm> And it's pretty clearly within our scope.
14:10:29 <dcantrell> so I think we should just sign it in that case
14:10:32 <dcantrell> no need to waffle
14:11:07 <mattdm> Ok. I do think we need to do the full consensus process (see Council charter) so let's officially start the clock on that. 7 days?
14:11:16 <dcantrell> fair
14:11:25 * bcotton bangs gavel
14:11:44 <mattdm> (Ben you want to comment in the ticket? Or me?)
14:12:07 <bcotton> #info We'll follow the full consensus process for a decision on #399, with the vote closing on 18 May
14:12:11 <bcotton> i'll do it in the post-meeting paperwork
14:12:23 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/400
14:12:40 <bcotton> i'm not sure there's a ticketable action here, but...
14:12:44 <bcotton> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-council-tickets-ticket-400-fedora-badges-project-need-some-help/38960
14:13:17 <riecatnor[m]> I just added a comment there!
14:14:23 <bcotton> badges has been one of those things that we keep trying to find ways to help over the last few years. i'm not sure there's much to do in this meeting, but this could be a deeper dive topic at some point?
14:14:24 <mattdm> I will also comment. I'm going to ask CPE to take this on.
14:14:50 <mattdm> Actually, maybe a helpful thing here is a full council vote on that too, now that I think of it.
14:15:05 <riecatnor[m]> I think its really important for our community on multiple levels, so I think it would be great for the council to do something tho I am not sure what.
14:15:35 <bcotton> agreed
14:15:41 <mattdm> We're asking CPE, as a project, to prioritize this thing that their management decided was not in scope. We'd like it to be considered in scope — because I think that it actually is.
14:15:47 <t0xic0der[m]1> riecatnor[m]: +1
14:15:51 <riecatnor[m]> I think asking CPE to fix whatever the new FAS broke things should be the minimum, hopefully they can do more
14:15:52 <bcotton> #info mattdm will be meeting with CPE about Badges
14:16:11 <bcotton> shall we leave this for now and see what comes out of that meeting before trying to figure something else out?
14:16:28 <mattdm> #action mattdm to formulate a proposal for the council in support of prioritizing this (possibly over other platform / release / infra engineering work).
14:16:35 <VipulSiddharth[m> bcotton: makes sense
14:17:02 <mattdm> Having clear community support here will make my conversation internally easier
14:17:39 <VipulSiddharth[m> other than council +1s to have CPE work on this if possible, is there another way we can show community support?
14:17:59 <t0xic0der[m]1> I can talk about this in the coming websites and apps meeting
14:18:00 <VipulSiddharth[m> hey, internally I would be supporting this :P
14:18:16 <t0xic0der[m]1> Stir things up and see if people are willing/excited/both to make this happen
14:18:24 <mattdm> Vipul Siddharth: People doing stuff :)
14:18:43 <riecatnor[m]> it might be good for someone on the W&A team to learn how to push badges ?
14:18:49 <riecatnor[m]> we are thinking the same t0xic0der :)
14:19:01 <mattdm> In seriousness, something from mindshare about plans for badges in community growth would be nice.
14:21:14 <riecatnor[m]> I think a precursor to that is putting into Fedora's 3 year strategy that we are working on
14:22:29 <mattdm> Fair enough. We should put "scheduling the meeting re that" on the agenda today
14:22:45 <LunaJernberg[m]> hint hint Red Hat Summit 2022 badges
14:23:02 <riecatnor[m]> I don't think we have much of a presence at RH summit this year
14:23:08 <bcotton> mattdm: ack
14:23:19 <riecatnor[m]> we have 6 responses to the whenisgood for council F2F
14:23:40 <bcotton> shall we to the next ticket then?
14:23:40 <riecatnor[m]> I gave people until May 18th to fill it out
14:23:50 <LunaJernberg[m]> saw there was some talk about in Pagure: https://pagure.io/fedora-badges/issue/814 (also done with the details for the Stockholm hatch) (but not gonna bother your meeting more)
14:24:10 <dcantrell> riecatnor[m]: what's the whenisgood link?
14:24:10 <mattdm> next ticket yeah.
14:24:17 <mattdm> and tnanks for the notes/links Luna Jernberg
14:24:21 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/401
14:24:23 <riecatnor[m]> https://whenisgood.net/Council-F2F-2022
14:24:32 <bcotton> #info It's elections time. We need to settle on our questions
14:25:13 <bcotton> i think the last questions are good to reuse. particularly since we don't have our next strategic plan formulated yet
14:25:24 <mattdm> +1 reuse 'em
14:25:27 <bcotton> but if people want to add/edit/remove questions, now's the time to offer suggestions
14:25:56 <riecatnor[m]> lgtm
14:26:48 <bcotton> #info We'll reuse existing questions unless someone raises objections before then (preferably in the next few days so we have time for discussion
14:27:05 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/issues?status=Open&order_key=last_updated&order=asc
14:27:34 <bcotton> lot of folks who need to add a bio :-)
14:28:45 <mattdm> #action mattdm to use madlibs to generate bios for everyone who does not have one.
14:29:02 <bcotton> mattdm++
14:29:02 <zodbot> bcotton: Karma for mattdm changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
14:29:12 <VipulSiddharth[m> that's a problem solved
14:30:11 <bcotton> i just tried a gpt3 generator and it turns out "Marie Nordin is the Editor in Chief of Business Insider."
14:30:44 <mattdm> perfect
14:30:56 <mattdm> congratulations marie!
14:31:23 <riecatnor[m]> that will be an easy role after FCAIC ;)
14:31:27 <bcotton> A lot of these are pretty basic if someone sits down and works on them for a bit
14:31:33 <VipulSiddharth[m> I am a "is a retired scientist and lecturer in astronomy at the University of Leeds."
14:31:36 <bcotton> It's me. I'm someone ;-)
14:32:16 <bcotton> I was going to say "I'll spend some time Friday afternoon taking care of some of these" but then I remember there's a realease party
14:32:49 <bcotton> but maybe after the release party wraps I'll work on a few while videos are rendering
14:33:03 <mattdm> bcotton++
14:34:38 <bcotton> anything else on the open council-docs tickets?
14:35:53 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issues
14:36:08 <bcotton> any comments on open tickets? we went through most of these recently but just in case
14:37:34 <bcotton> sounds like a no
14:37:40 <bcotton> #topic Next meeting
14:37:40 <bcotton> #info The next regular business meeting is Wednesday 25 May
14:37:40 <bcotton> #info The next Video Meeting is 8 Jun. The guest will be Tom Callaway talking about Amazon Linux
14:37:40 <bcotton> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council/Video_Meetings
14:37:55 <bcotton> #topic Do we have anything to announce?
14:37:55 <bcotton> #info This is a regular check to make sure we're communicating to the contributor (via CommBlog) and user (via Magazine) communities
14:38:00 <bcotton> #info Previously announced
14:38:00 <bcotton> #info Election nominations open https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/f36-elections-nominations-now-open/
14:38:00 <bcotton> #info F36 Release Party is Friday and Saturday https://hopin.com/events/fedora-linux-36-release-party/registration
14:38:11 <bcotton> anything new/upcoming?
14:38:54 <mattdm> These things are all pretty big! Let's get past them first :)
14:39:16 <bcotton> #topic Open floor
14:39:58 <NishantMishra[m]> Can a new Contributor run for Council?
14:40:14 <bcotton> Nishant Mishra: absolutely
14:42:32 <mattdm> There tends to be some amount of name recognition in the voting. But new energy is very welcome.
14:43:08 <mattdm> To have a shot, you'll need to spend some time making your case in places where people will see you
14:45:22 <NishantMishra[m]> Oh ok next elections then :)
14:45:27 <NishantMishra[m]> With some experience
14:46:05 <bcotton> It's worth a try now. That'll at least get you some name recognition and practice answering the interview questions :-)
14:46:16 <mattdm> +1 to that, yeah
14:46:16 <bcotton> anything else for open floor today?
14:46:26 <riecatnor[m]> come to the release party :)
14:46:32 <NishantMishra[m]> Alright I am away from my system
14:46:33 <mattdm> yes, see you all there!
14:46:39 <NishantMishra[m]> For sure
14:47:22 <NishantMishra[m]> The vthing which makes me excited for release party is this is my first one as a part of Fedora Community
14:47:28 <mattdm> :)
14:47:32 <mattdm> glad to have you!
14:47:34 <riecatnor[m]> we are 550 registrations for the release party- we can make it to 750! feel free to share the link to register in your other networks :)
14:47:40 <NishantMishra[m]> s/vthing/thing/
14:47:45 <riecatnor[m]> https://hopin.com/events/fedora-linux-36-release-party/registration
14:47:52 <t0xic0der[m]1> riecatnor[m]: Will do. :D
14:48:21 <mattdm> riecatnor: tweet those exact words and I will retweet them.
14:49:30 <riecatnor[m]> eeeeee, that message is not on brand for my twitter account lol
14:50:33 <bcotton> riecatnor: you could do it from @fedora :-)
14:50:38 <bcotton> but it sounds like we're about out of topics
14:50:42 <bcotton> thanks everyone and see you Friday!
14:50:48 <riecatnor[m]> bcotton++
14:51:01 <bcotton> #endmeeting