05:30:35 <paragan> #startmeeting i18n
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05:30:35 <paragan> #topic agenda and roll call
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05:30:46 * mfabian ☺
05:30:51 <tagoh[m]1> Hi
05:31:02 <priyam_> Hi
05:31:24 <paragan> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2022-04-04
05:31:47 <paragan> #chair mfabian tagoh[m]1 priyam_
05:31:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: mfabian paragan priyam_ tagoh[m]1
05:33:10 <paragan> hopefully others will join
05:33:14 <paragan> lets start
05:33:16 <paragan> Hi all
05:33:27 <paragan> #topic Upcoming schedule
05:33:39 <paragan> #info 2022-04-05 Final Freeze (starts at 1400 UTC)
05:33:40 <paragan> #info 2022-04-19 Early Final Target date
05:33:40 <paragan> #
05:34:01 <paragan> Fedora 36 final freeze will start tomorrow
05:35:36 <paragan> #info https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/36/final/buglist
05:36:26 <paragan> anything else to discuss here?
05:37:02 <paragan> nothing I guess
05:37:10 <paragan> let's start discussing issues one by one
05:37:17 <paragan> #topic Issues
05:37:27 <paragan> #info #144: Fedora 34 Bug triaging  (prigupta)
05:37:27 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/144
05:37:29 <tagoh[m]1> I also confirmed the fix of im issue on gnome-shell too.
05:37:41 <tagoh[m]1> just fyi
05:37:55 <paragan> tagoh[m]1, Thank you
05:38:12 <juhp[m]> hello
05:38:48 <paragan> There are 41 bugs remaining to be triaged/fixed for Fedora 34
05:39:29 <paragan> Can we move liberation-fonts and Lohit fonts bugs to F36?
05:40:03 <juhp[m]> Probably - I can ping Vishal
05:40:13 * suanand suanand is around
05:40:39 <paragan> also there are some old bugs which really need to be reproduced on Fedora 36
05:40:46 <paragan> juhp[m], Ok let it be there
05:41:13 <paragan> #chair juhp[m] suanand
05:41:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: juhp[m] mfabian paragan priyam_ suanand tagoh[m]1
05:43:23 <paragan> Anyone want any discussion here?
05:45:40 <paragan> Ok moving on
05:45:48 <paragan> #info #151: F36 Change: DefaultToNotoFonts (tagoh)
05:45:48 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/151
05:46:19 <paragan> is this working fine now in Fedora?
05:46:44 <tagoh[m]1> Not yet noted down release notes information into the ticket. will work on it this week.
05:47:12 <juhp[m]> Seems to working pretty well - we haven't hard any complaints, right?
05:47:12 <paragan> Thanks for the update
05:47:14 <paragan> sure
05:47:36 <tagoh[m]1> nope as far as I know.
05:47:40 <juhp[m]> I would like to suggest if we can drop dejavu-sans-mono-fonts
05:47:52 <juhp[m]> Maybe once we have the F36 table?
05:48:00 <tagoh[m]1> Sure
05:48:20 <tagoh[m]1> I'll create one by today.
05:48:27 <juhp[m]> Thanks!
05:50:32 <paragan> Ok moving on
05:50:41 <paragan> #info #152: F36 Change: Hunspell_dictionary_dir_change (pnemade)
05:50:41 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/152
05:51:16 <paragan> I think most of hunspell-* packages have been updated in F36 now
05:51:35 <paragan> one update may miss Final freeze deadline
05:51:42 <juhp[m]> unfortunately I didn't get to the symlink last week, but still kind of planning to add it back
05:52:10 <juhp[m]> I will try to get the cs one karma today
05:52:11 <paragan> some other packages have been submitted PR but no action from its maintainers so they will miss Fedora 36 GA
05:52:25 <juhp[m]> Can you list?
05:52:32 <juhp[m]> Or is there one?
05:52:32 <paragan> thunderbird
05:52:40 <paragan> qt5-qtwebengine
05:53:45 <paragan> Ok I see these 2 only reminaing
05:53:58 <juhp[m]> okay I see
05:54:09 <paragan> enchant will find its way via blocker review meeting
05:54:43 <juhp[m]> I guess I can test that too - since I know how on the command line
05:55:02 <paragan> then documentation is remaining for this Change
05:56:03 <paragan> anything else to discuss here?
05:57:13 <paragan> if nothing we can move to next ticket
05:57:54 <paragan> #info #153: F36 Change: MalayalamDefaultFontsUpdate (pnemade)
05:57:54 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/153
05:58:14 <paragan> I have not heard any issues being reported for this Change implementation
05:58:25 <paragan> documentation of this Change is remaining
05:58:56 <juhp[m]> Who will write it?
05:59:24 <paragan> I am, I already said in the ticket
06:00:40 <paragan> anything else to discuss here?
06:02:51 <paragan> lets move on
06:02:58 <paragan> #info #154: F36 Change: Ibus_table_cangjie_default_for_zh_hk (mfabian)
06:02:58 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/154
06:04:11 <paragan> any issues remaining for this Change?
06:04:28 <juhp[m]> Well there was only one question about whether to pre-install or not - I don't really have a strong opinion on it
06:04:52 <juhp[m]> Other than that not aware of anything particular?
06:05:34 <juhp[m]> (I think the ibus-cangjie maintainer had added his in the past)
06:05:55 <juhp[m]> Maybe pulling in via langpacks is okay for now
06:06:33 <paragan> Ok Thanks for this update
06:06:33 <mfabian> I don’t know, I hope it is OK for now
06:06:38 <juhp[m]> mfabian: do we have a relnote?
06:07:18 <mfabian> I should add a relnote to the wiki page?
06:07:27 <tagoh[m]1> How about other spins? langpacks will be picked up automatically?
06:07:47 <tagoh[m]1> If not, should we add a note somewhere? if we aren't going to install it by default?
06:09:10 <juhp[m]> I don't think spins will auto-install langpacks
06:09:40 <paragan> https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/release-notes/issue/796
06:09:43 <mfabian> So was it a mistake to not install it by default?
06:09:56 <juhp[m]> I don't feel so
06:10:07 <juhp[m]> We can't preinstall every IME
06:10:51 <juhp[m]> Most people use Gnome anyway
06:11:20 <juhp[m]> But it is still an option if we want
06:12:34 <tagoh[m]1> some IMEs are installed by default regardless of state of the langpacks installation though.
06:13:14 <juhp[m]> For reference Taiwan is four times bigger than Hong Kong
06:13:55 <juhp[m]> How big is the table?
06:15:19 <mfabian> 4.7 M
06:15:31 <juhp[m]> okay
06:17:29 <paragan> anything else to discuss here?
06:17:42 <tagoh[m]1> would be good to have a note somewhere to install langpacks to get it installed, at least.
06:18:13 <juhp[m]> It can be part of the relnotes I guess - if people feel strongly we should pre-install we can though
06:18:38 <tagoh[m]1> otherwise "default" in summary of that change is misleading...
06:19:26 <juhp[m]> Well it might be a change of default in the langpack (though actually I think we might already have had changed that)?
06:20:05 <bytehackr> \o
06:20:22 <juhp[m]> So it is nominally it is change of default for zh_HK - not a system default change I guess - I tend to agree with your sentiment
06:20:53 <juhp[m]> s/it is//
06:21:11 <juhp[m]> Perhaps we can also tweak the change title
06:21:42 <juhp[m]> Or install it be consistent...
06:21:47 <juhp[m]> to
06:22:13 <juhp[m]> hello bytehackr
06:23:46 <tagoh[m]1> Sure. the change mentions about GNOME only. indeed the package is installed after waiting some time. so if we add a note for spins, that may be good.
06:24:01 <juhp[m]> Good point
06:24:35 <juhp[m]> mfabian: can you see to it?
06:24:53 <mfabian> OK, I am not sure whether I understood though.
06:25:40 <mfabian> Install it to be consistent?
06:25:52 <mfabian> I.e. change comps?
06:27:30 <juhp[m]> Maybe just writing some clear release is sufficent
06:27:35 <juhp[m]> release notes
06:28:23 <mfabian> OK, so the the release not should say that this is a changed only for zh_HK locale?
06:28:36 <juhp[m]> I sure triggered a lot of discussion here, hehe
06:28:53 <juhp[m]> It should
06:29:03 <juhp[m]> It is clearly for zh_HK, no
06:29:21 <juhp[m]> Maybe we can continue discussion afterwards and in the ticket...
06:30:10 <juhp[m]> mfabian: I think tagoh is saying some people might misunderstand the Change to mean that the IME is installed by default.....
06:31:06 <mfabian> OK, so I should write that it is only installed when the installation is done  in zh_HK or when the language is changed to zh_HK in Gnome later and a new user is created.
06:31:25 <tagoh[m]1> we just need a doc how to install it to use because it will not be installed by default on non-GNOME.
06:31:39 <juhp[m]> +1
06:32:26 <juhp[m]> Right it will only be post-installed for people using zh_HK in Gnome
06:32:54 <juhp[m]> I guess one of us can write something in the wiki page
06:34:05 <juhp[m]> (for example people using en_HK will also not get it)
06:34:26 <juhp[m]> I guess we are over time
06:35:17 <paragan> Thanks
06:35:23 <paragan> moving to next ticket
06:35:32 <paragan> #info #157: KDE spin missing ibus IMEs and imsettings (petersen)
06:35:32 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/157
06:35:57 <paragan> any update here?
06:35:58 <juhp[m]> I believe the Kinoite change is still pending
06:36:13 <juhp[m]> nothing else
06:36:20 <paragan> Thanks for the update
06:36:23 <paragan> next ticket
06:36:24 <paragan> #info #158: State of i18n and l10n in Workstation (petersen)
06:36:25 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/158
06:36:35 <paragan> any update here?
06:36:44 <juhp[m]> no
06:36:53 <paragan> Sure
06:37:07 <paragan> moving to next ticket
06:37:09 <paragan> #info #159: use weak deps to install ibus immodules etc (petersen)
06:37:10 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/159
06:37:17 <paragan> any progress here?
06:37:20 <juhp[m]> gtk2 is done
06:37:53 <juhp[m]> Perhaps could do the same for gtk3 but less urgent
06:38:07 <juhp[m]> and qt4
06:38:22 <paragan> Ok
06:38:28 <juhp[m]> So maybe I will try for that next
06:38:50 <paragan> Thanks
06:39:06 <paragan> next ticket
06:39:07 <paragan> #info #161: add QA testcase for OS upgrade testing (petersen)
06:39:07 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/161
06:39:25 <juhp[m]> I think we can skip today
06:39:51 <paragan> Ok
06:39:51 <paragan> next ticket
06:39:51 <paragan> #info #162: track Fonts component bugs (petersen)
06:39:51 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/162
06:39:52 <juhp[m]> any less priyam_ has something to add
06:40:40 <tagoh[m]1> Thanks for reminding me. I've added some comments for bugs.
06:40:42 <paragan> for Fonts component there are 3 bugs currently
06:40:48 <paragan> tagoh[m]1, Thank you
06:40:50 <juhp[m]> let's skip these too - but ya I propose document our default fonts in the wiki
06:41:10 <paragan> okay
06:41:10 <paragan> next ticket
06:41:10 <paragan> #info #163: create a table of ibus support across desktop/toolkits/applications (petersen)
06:41:10 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/163
06:41:17 <juhp[m]> (ah different topic)
06:42:05 <juhp[m]> We can talk about the rest next time I think
06:42:18 <paragan> Ok I will skip last ticket then
06:43:16 <paragan> I don't see any ticket getting closed, so remember next time also we will discuss about 12 tickets
06:43:40 <juhp[m]> Maybe we can rotate some
06:43:55 <paragan> I am not sure how to decide priority
06:45:07 <paragan> anything else to discuss before we close this meeting?
06:45:49 <paragan> probably not
06:46:00 <paragan> Thanks all who joined this meeting
06:46:10 <paragan> #endmeeting