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05:31:16 <paragan> #topic agenda and roll call
05:31:16 <paragan> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2022-02-07
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05:31:28 <mfabian> ☺
05:32:07 <pwu> hi
05:33:53 <fujiwara> hi
05:34:07 <paragan> anymore members joining?
05:34:11 <juhp[m]> hi
05:35:15 <paragan> #chair mfabian pwu fujiwara juhp[m]
05:35:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: fujiwara juhp[m] mfabian paragan pwu
05:35:27 <paragan> okay let's start with the available members
05:36:23 <paragan> #topic Upcoming schedule
05:37:04 <paragan> I hope everyone has already gone through their packages for F36 mass rebuild FTBFS bugs
05:37:20 <paragan> now next milestone for F36 is
05:37:21 <paragan> #info 2022-02-08 Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable)
05:37:21 <paragan> #info 2022-02-08 Branch Fedora Linux 36 from Rawhide
05:37:45 <paragan> tomorrow there will be branching happening for F36
05:38:09 <juhp[m]> I am still triaging mine...
05:39:07 <paragan> anything to discuss here?
05:40:22 <paragan> if nothing then let's move
05:40:36 <paragan> #topic issues
05:40:44 <paragan> #info #151: F36 Change: DefaultToNotoFonts (tagoh)
05:40:45 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/151
05:40:47 <juhp[m]> Retire FTI packages in NEW state Tue 2022-02-15
05:41:25 <paragan> Do we have any FTI bugs?
05:42:01 <juhp[m]> I dunno - but if you have make sure to move them to ASSIGNED at least
05:42:38 <juhp[m]> I think tagoh is away today but I believe the Noto Change has gone well into Rawhide
05:43:05 <juhp[m]> (FTI = fails to install)
05:43:17 <paragan> yes
05:43:19 <paragan> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Fails_to_build_from_source_Fails_to_install/#_glossary
05:43:52 <juhp[m]> Anyone got any feedback on Noto - I think the latest rawhide image is still 0205
05:44:07 <paragan> I do have one for fonttools but it says if not fixed package will be orphaned in 8+ weeks
05:44:31 <paragan> so FTI should be applicable to older bugs?
05:45:08 <juhp[m]> Okay maybe the immediate deadline does not affect new FTI's
05:45:17 <juhp[m]> There is another one next month
05:45:58 <paragan> yeah
05:46:45 <juhp[m]> I see that libreoffice-core pulls in dejavu-fonts
05:47:05 <juhp[m]> Wonder if we should require changing that to Noto
05:49:53 <juhp[m]> Maybe we should request *
05:50:18 <paragan> Ok, please add a comment in this ticket
05:52:33 <juhp[m]> I did :)
05:52:59 <paragan> Okay
05:53:10 <paragan> anything more to discuss on this Change?
05:53:17 <juhp[m]> Anyway I recommend testing Rawhide in native languages - the locale affects the rendering on gnome-terminal etc I think
05:54:32 <paragan> moving to next ticket
05:54:48 <juhp[m]> Ah one more thing - I didn't mention yet to tagoh - but it might be good to have a separate Test Day for this Change
05:56:12 <paragan> Okay
05:58:00 <paragan> #info #152: F36 Change: Hunspell_dictionary_dir_change (pnemade)
05:58:01 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/152
05:58:45 <paragan> The core changes have been done for this Change
05:59:08 <paragan> its upto us now if we want to change other packages and hunspell-* packages or not
05:59:31 <mfabian> It still doesn’t seem to work in rawhide.
05:59:37 <juhp> oh
06:00:06 <mfabian> I mean only the English dictionaries install into /usr/share/hunspell.
06:00:21 <mfabian> bash-5.1# ls /usr/share/hunspell/
06:00:21 <mfabian> en_AG.aff  en_BW.aff  en_DK.aff  en_HK.aff  en_JM.aff  en_NG.aff  en_SG.aff  en_ZA.aff
06:00:21 <mfabian> en_AG.dic  en_BW.dic  en_DK.dic  en_HK.dic  en_JM.dic  en_NG.dic  en_SG.dic  en_ZA.dic
06:00:24 <mfabian> en_AU.aff  en_BZ.aff  en_GB.aff  en_IE.aff  en_MW.aff  en_NZ.aff  en_TT.aff  en_ZM.aff
06:00:28 <mfabian> en_AU.dic  en_BZ.dic  en_GB.dic  en_IE.dic  en_MW.dic  en_NZ.dic  en_TT.dic  en_ZM.dic
06:00:31 <mfabian> en_BS.aff  en_CA.aff  en_GH.aff  en_IN.aff  en_NA.aff  en_PH.aff  en_US.aff  en_ZW.aff
06:00:34 <mfabian> en_BS.dic  en_CA.dic  en_GH.dic  en_IN.dic  en_NA.dic  en_PH.dic  en_US.dic  en_ZW.dic
06:00:37 <mfabian> bash-5.1#
06:00:39 <mfabian> 
06:00:42 <mfabian> Others are in the old directory:
06:00:45 <mfabian> bash-5.1# rpm -ql hunspell-cs-20080822-16.fc36.noarch
06:00:50 <mfabian> /usr/share/doc/hunspell-cs
06:00:51 <mfabian> /usr/share/doc/hunspell-cs/README_cs.txt
06:00:54 <mfabian> /usr/share/doc/hunspell-cs/README_en.txt
06:00:59 <mfabian> /usr/share/myspell/cs_CZ.aff
06:01:02 <mfabian> /usr/share/myspell/cs_CZ.dic
06:01:05 <mfabian> bash-5.1#
06:01:05 <mfabian> And there are no symlinks.
06:01:12 <mfabian> So python3-enchant fails.
06:01:16 <paragan> mfabian, Please use any paste website
06:02:11 <juhp> mfabian: this is from updating is it?
06:02:18 <mfabian> Yes.
06:02:35 <juhp> You don't have a symlink?
06:02:53 <juhp> Hmm
06:03:01 <mfabian> python3-enchant can now only use dictionaries which are in /usr/share/hunspell, trying to use those which are still in /usr/share/myspell gives an error.
06:03:33 <juhp> mfabian: the way it is suppose to work is that myspell is moved to hunspell and then a symlink is created...
06:04:01 <juhp> I will try doing an upgrade test then...
06:04:06 <paragan> Is there a testcase to reproduce this?
06:04:06 <mfabian> /usr/share/myspell -> /usr/share/hunspell,  I guess.
06:04:14 <juhp> Indeed
06:04:46 <juhp> If you could file a bug that would be helpful :)
06:05:21 <mfabian> Filing bug ...
06:06:20 <juhp> Perhaps you updated through some devel/copr builds?
06:09:40 * suanand_ is around
06:09:43 <mfabian> I don’t think so. The problem remains with mockbuild and tmt for more than a week though, even though tmt downloaded several new images.
06:11:14 <paragan> mfabian, did you check which mirror mock is using and is it updated mirror?
06:11:21 <juhp[m]> Any url?
06:12:14 <juhp[m]> Anyway sounds better to discuss more in bugzilla - feel free to assign to me or Parag
06:12:29 <mfabian> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2051360
06:12:36 <juhp[m]> Thanks
06:13:47 <juhp[m]> mfabian: but can you link to any CI or something? - I am not sure how reproducible it is
06:14:27 <mfabian> This is 100% reproducible.
06:14:34 <juhp[m]> eg I just installed hunspell-da in current Rawhide Live and it works as expected
06:15:21 <juhp[m]> python-enchant was updated?
06:15:31 <juhp[m]> (I mean the install location)
06:15:53 <mfabian> I guess so, my guess is that python-enchant looks for dictionaries only in *one* directory.
06:16:14 <mfabian> And that has been changed to /usr/share/hunspell already, but most of the dictionaries are not yet there.
06:16:23 <juhp[m]> That is not the bug: the question is why is the myspell directory still there :)
06:17:01 <paragan> mfabian, I am not sure why you are seeing those results. For me my rawhide worked fine.
06:17:04 <juhp[m]> I don't think python-enchant is doing anything wrong
06:17:52 <mfabian> Yes, I used the component python-enchant in the bug only because I don’t know which other component is right here.
06:18:14 <juhp[m]> If you could provide dnf output that would be really helpful
06:18:26 <juhp[m]> mfabian: I guess hunspell
06:18:42 <juhp[m]> It owns the directories
06:19:05 <mfabian> Which dnf output?
06:19:50 <juhp[m]> Well the question is why you still have a myspell directory
06:19:55 <juhp[m]> It should not happen
06:20:34 <juhp[m]> Anyway I will kick off a F35 install and try to upgrade to Rawhide
06:20:37 <paragan> anyway better discuss on other channels
06:20:43 <paragan> moving to next ticket
06:21:05 <paragan> #info #153: F36 Change: MalayalamDefaultFontsUpdate (pnemade)
06:21:05 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/153
06:21:16 <paragan> this is already done. Nothing to update here.
06:21:26 <paragan> moving to next ticket
06:21:27 <paragan> #info #154: F36 Change: Ibus_table_cangjie_default_for_zh_hk (mfabian)
06:21:28 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/154
06:21:33 <paragan> mfabian, any update here?
06:22:21 <mfabian> Merge request upstream for gnome-desktop: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-desktop/-/merge_requests/134 (merged)
06:22:37 <mfabian> Fedora comps also merged: fedora-comps needs to be updated to install ibus-table-chinese-cangjie by default: https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/pull-request/707#request_diff (merged)
06:23:33 <juhp[m]> (mfabian: eg any dnf output from CI)
06:24:34 <mfabian> Merge request for the fedora gnome-desktop3 package: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/gnome-desktop3/pull-request/8 (merged)
06:24:41 <paragan> mfabian, if development is done then move https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2046333 to MODIFIED
06:24:46 <juhp[m]> Great thanks
06:25:02 <mfabian> langpacks also merged: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/langpacks/pull-request/16
06:25:20 <mfabian> That's all, I think, probably finished.
06:25:45 <paragan> mfabian, good if you will add these links to https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/154
06:27:29 <paragan> moving to next ticket
06:27:50 <paragan> <pre>#info #144: Fedora 34 Bug triaging  (pnemade)
06:27:50 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/144
06:27:50 <paragan> </pre>
06:28:13 <paragan> today's bug count is 52
06:28:37 <paragan> unfortunately we don't have QE people presence here since last few meetings
06:28:58 <paragan> anyway we all can triage them :)
06:29:06 <paragan> anything to discuss here?
06:29:36 <juhp[m]> Okay I think we can focus on it more after branching etc
06:30:37 <paragan> thanks
06:30:47 <paragan> moving to next ticket
06:31:00 <paragan> #info #155: Fedora 36 i18n test day/week (pnemade)
06:31:00 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/155
06:31:30 <paragan> this is reminder we will have i18n test week next month
06:31:47 <paragan> I will prepare testday pages soon
06:31:51 <paragan> anything to discuss here?
06:34:03 <paragan> moving to next ticket
06:34:15 <paragan> #info #149: create Matrix room for Fedora i18n (petersen)
06:34:15 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/149
06:34:47 <juhp[m]> So https://matrix.to/#/#i18n:fedoraproject.org seems to exist at least though it is not connected yet to libera I think
06:35:56 <juhp> Ah I think Kevin is waiting on Nick for the bridging
06:36:05 <juhp> Anyway do please join
06:36:29 <paragan> Ok
06:36:31 <juhp[m]> (oops) Yeah I trying the meeting from Matrix today...
06:36:43 <paragan> thanks
06:36:52 <suanand_> okay
06:37:50 <paragan> anything more to discuss here?
06:38:10 <juhp[m]> No
06:38:46 <paragan> moving to next ticket
06:38:56 <paragan> #info #148: use Noto font for Ethiopian Amharic script (tagoh)
06:38:57 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/148
06:39:05 <juhp[m]> I think it is still pending afaict
06:39:33 <juhp[m]> (originally thought it was going to be part of the Noto comps change)
06:39:49 <juhp[m]> Anyway we have a bug for it
06:40:05 <paragan> yes
06:40:28 <paragan> let's check about this next meeting
06:40:49 <juhp[m]> I will talk to tagoh this week
06:41:03 <paragan> thanks
06:41:11 <juhp[m]> I would be good to have it before branching
06:41:51 <juhp[m]> Also the new fontconfig snapshot should be in rawhide, yay
06:42:15 <paragan> #topic Open Floor
06:42:40 <paragan> anything to discuss here?
06:44:11 <mfabian> Scratch build failing because of the python3-enchant problem: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2051360#c2
06:44:28 <juhp[m]> Thanks mfabian !
06:45:37 <mfabian> Do I need to create an account for matrix?
06:46:33 <paragan> I think so
06:49:38 <juhp[m]> We are over time : )
06:50:33 <juhp[m]> mfabian: unfortunately the root.log does not show the package transaction order
06:51:08 <paragan> let's close this meeting
06:51:16 <paragan> thank you all who joined this meeting
06:51:20 <paragan> #endmeeting