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17:01:56 <bcotton_> #startmeeting F35 Final Go/No-Go meeting
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17:02:01 <nirik> morning everyone
17:02:03 <bcotton_> #topic Roll Call
17:02:09 <mboddu> bcotton_: Heyn -3 is only for releng stuff :P
17:02:13 <copperi[m]1> .hello copperi
17:02:14 <zodbot> copperi[m]1: copperi 'Jan Kuparinen' <copper_fin@hotmail.com>
17:02:26 <mboddu> .hello mohanboddu
17:02:27 <zodbot> mboddu: mohanboddu 'Mohan Boddu' <mboddu@bhujji.com>
17:02:38 <bcotton_> mboddu: #fedora-meeting-relengs-secret-room
17:02:41 <mattdm> .hello2
17:02:42 <zodbot> mattdm: mattdm 'Matthew Miller' <mattdm@mattdm.org>
17:02:48 * nirik waves
17:03:57 <ahmedalmeleh> morning
17:04:18 <mboddu> bcotton_: I like that :D
17:04:26 <bcotton_> hi everyone. we'll get started in another moment or two
17:04:32 * mattdm is here to lean on the 🚢 button
17:04:37 * bcotton_ sees people still coming in from the hallway
17:04:57 <pwhalen> .hello2
17:04:58 <zodbot> pwhalen: pwhalen 'Paul Whalen' <pwhalen@redhat.com>
17:05:21 * nirik is ignoring hungry cats, but hopefully we won't be too long here. ;)
17:05:48 <bcotton_> #info nirik's cats are go
17:06:04 <Eighth_Doctor> .hello ngompa
17:06:05 <zodbot> Eighth_Doctor: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
17:06:06 <bcotton_> #topic Purpose of this meeting
17:06:08 <bcotton_> #info Purpose of this meeting is to check whether or not F35 Final is ready for shipment, according to the release criteria.
17:06:09 <bcotton_> #info This is determined in a few ways:
17:06:11 <bcotton_> #info 1. No remaining blocker bugs
17:06:12 <bcotton_> #info 2. Release candidate compose is available
17:06:14 <bcotton_> #info 3. Test matrices for Beta are fully completed
17:06:15 <bcotton_> #undo
17:06:15 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by bcotton_ at 17:06:14 : 3. Test matrices for Beta are fully completed
17:06:24 <adamw> .hello adamwill
17:06:24 <zodbot> adamw: adamwill 'Adam Williamson' <awilliam@redhat.com>
17:06:28 <bcotton_> #info 3. Test matrices for Final are fully completed
17:06:43 <bcotton_> #topic Current status - blockers
17:06:44 <bcotton_> #link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/35/final/buglist
17:06:56 <Leo[m]1234> Woo go/no-go! :)
17:07:00 <bcotton_> #info 2 Proposed Blockers
17:07:02 <bcotton_> #info 4 Accepted Blockers
17:07:03 <bcotton_> #info 1 Accepted 0-day Blockers
17:07:13 <bcotton_> so let's look at our proposed blockers first
17:07:24 <bcotton_> #topic (2018271) fedora-release-identity-cloud says "Cloud Edition", Cloud has not been an edition for years
17:07:25 <bcotton_> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2018271
17:07:27 <bcotton_> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/575
17:07:28 <bcotton_> #info Proposed Blocker, fedora-release, NEW
17:07:43 <adamw> hot n' fresh!
17:07:43 <Eighth_Doctor> Cloud Edition has not been formally dissolved
17:07:44 <pwhalen> What did f34 say?
17:07:50 * SumantroMukherje is here
17:07:58 <adamw> Conan Kudo: it has been formally de-editioned, though
17:08:03 <Eighth_Doctor> no it hasn't
17:08:16 <adamw> it's not listed as an edition at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Editions or https://getfedora.org/
17:08:18 <adamw> says who? where?
17:08:34 <Eighth_Doctor> well, there's no record in the cloud wg/sig that indicated we shut it down
17:08:36 <nirik> I move we wave this as being found too close to go/nogo
17:08:56 <bcotton_> nirik: point of order: we can't waive it until it's an accepted blocker
17:09:27 <bcotton_> Eighth_Doctor: shutting it down is not the same as making it not an Edition
17:09:30 <adamw> yeah. i'd say this is clearly +1, but i'd also vote to waive
17:09:35 <nirik> bcotton_: ahyeah
17:09:38 <Eighth_Doctor> myself and DavidDuncan would both _strongly_ disagree with the idea that Cloud Edition isn't an edition
17:09:43 <adamw> pwhalen: 34 wa almost certainly the same
17:09:47 <adamw> Conan Kudo: it's not an idea. it's a fact.
17:09:52 <Eighth_Doctor> prove it
17:09:59 <adamw> i'll find the reference, but we very definitely made it not an edition. atomic replaced it.
17:10:26 <Eighth_Doctor> if that's the case, we'll fix it for F36
17:10:38 <Eighth_Doctor> because none of us want it to not be an edition
17:10:39 <StephenGallagher> Conan Kudo: That's a Council-level decision
17:11:11 * coremodule is late, but here now!
17:11:26 <lruzicka2> .hello lruzicka
17:11:27 <zodbot> lruzicka2: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' <lruzicka@redhat.com>
17:11:35 <Eighth_Doctor> fine, we'll do whatever paperwork is required to fix it
17:11:50 <Eighth_Doctor> but replacing Cloud with Atomic on the website is not the same as de-editioning it
17:11:56 <nirik> https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-the-release-of-fedora-26-beta/ "Looking for Fedora Cloud Base? This is replaced by Atomic as a Fedora Edition for the container use case, but we still produce it for those of you who want to build up your own cloud-computing environment in a more traditional way — see Alternative Downloads below."
17:12:45 <bcotton_> I guess I have to be +1 here because I don't see any indication that we're treating Cloud as an Edition, which makes it in violation of the criterion specified
17:13:31 <Eighth_Doctor> the wording doesn't imply it's replaced entirely
17:13:42 <mattdm> I can confirm this. We just didn't do the technical stuff to actually make it not claim to be an edition, but the decision was officially made.
17:13:48 <Eighth_Doctor> ugh
17:15:04 <mattdm> The wording does imply that in context, because the idea was that we had editions for three basic situations: developer-focused desktop, rhel-upstream-focused server, and experiemental cloudy-container thing.
17:15:05 <nirik> The f26 announcement also says "the project delivers three editions, each one a free, Linux-based operating system tailored to meet specific use cases: Fedora 26 Atomic Host, Fedora 26 Server, and Fedora 26 Workstation. "
17:15:38 <bcotton_> proposed #agreed 2018158 - AcceptedBlocker - Cloud is not currently an Edition, so it violates the "Release-blocking images that are not part of any edition must not identify themselves as being part of any edition"
17:15:45 <adamw> ack
17:15:49 <nirik> ack
17:15:49 <Eighth_Doctor> grr
17:16:01 <copperi[m]1> ack
17:16:03 <mboddu> ack
17:16:14 <mattdm> That doesn't mean we need to do it that way in the future as we work on our ... uh, "post-Fedora.next" plan (need better name); but that's the way it was. Conan Kudo let's take this to a different conversation?
17:16:39 <bcotton_> and fwiw, even if soemthing is an Edition, I don't think it should say "Edition" in `/etc/os-release`, but that's a discussion for later
17:16:49 <bcotton_> #agreed 2018158 - AcceptedBlocker - Cloud is not currently an Edition, so it violates the "Release-blocking images that are not part of any edition must not identify themselves as being part of any edition"
17:16:58 <bcotton_> okay, let's move on to our other proposed blocker
17:17:10 <bcotton_> #topic (2018158) disabling camera and microphone access doesn't disable either
17:17:11 <bcotton_> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2018158
17:17:12 <bcotton_> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/574
17:17:14 <bcotton_> #info Proposed Blocker, gnome-control-center, NEW
17:17:15 <bcotton_> #info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+0,0,-4) (-mattdm, -adamwill, -bcotton, -sgallagh)
17:17:25 <nirik> -1 Final blocker
17:17:30 <bcotton_> adamw made a compelling argument in the ticket that this is beyond what we'd call "basic"
17:17:43 <Eighth_Doctor> that's been broken for a long time apparently
17:17:43 <copperi[m]1> -1 Final blocker
17:17:47 <adamw> yeah, i'm comfortable with -1 on the grounds it's not basic.
17:17:48 <Eighth_Doctor> so -1 Blocker
17:18:03 <Eighth_Doctor> it's basic functionality, IMO, but it's been broken for several releases
17:18:05 <mattdm> bcotton_: you have the wrong bug number in the Cloud edition #agreed (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2018271)
17:18:08 <mboddu> -1 FB
17:18:11 <pwhalen> -1 Blocker
17:18:13 <Eighth_Doctor> so clearly nobody cared enough to check it before now
17:18:37 <bcotton_> mattdm: whoops. too many undo's now, i'll note it later
17:18:37 <Eighth_Doctor> fortunately, it can be fixed in an update
17:19:24 <coremodule> -1 blocker
17:19:26 <bcotton_> proposed #agreed 2018158 - RejectedBlocker - This behavior, while unfortunate, exceeds our definition of "basic functionality"
17:19:54 <StephenGallagher> I already have an MR for it: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/fedora-release/pull-request/206
17:20:02 <coremodule> ack
17:20:08 <lruzicka2> ack
17:20:10 <copperi[m]1> ack
17:20:10 <mboddu> ack
17:20:12 <nirik> ack
17:20:16 <mboddu> Thanks StephenGallagher
17:20:30 <StephenGallagher> ack
17:20:33 <pwhalen> ack
17:20:47 <bcotton_> #agreed 2018158 - RejectedBlocker - This behavior, while unfortunate, exceeds our definition of "basic functionality"
17:20:59 <bcotton_> on to the accepted blockers!
17:21:10 <bcotton_> #topic (2015972) systemd-vconsole-setup.service fails on an arabic system
17:21:11 <bcotton_> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2015972
17:21:13 <bcotton_> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/561
17:21:14 <bcotton_> #info Accepted Blocker, kbd, VERIFIED
17:21:17 <ahmedalmeleh> ok
17:21:23 <bcotton_> this is VERIFIED unless someone wants to claim that it isn't
17:21:54 <bcotton_> hearing none
17:21:57 <bcotton_> #topic (2016310) The KDE LiveCD 35 RC does not boot in basic graphics mode.
17:21:58 <adamw> yeah, i was just waiting till after this meeting to do the stable push request. definitely fixed.
17:21:58 <bcotton_> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2016310
17:22:00 <bcotton_> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/562
17:22:01 <bcotton_> #info Accepted Blocker, LiveCD - KDE, VERIFIED
17:22:06 <bcotton_> ditto
17:22:08 <adamw> also fixed.
17:22:21 <bcotton_> #topic (2016510) GNOME Software does not always show packages from third party repos if enabled via gnome-initial-setup
17:22:22 <bcotton_> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2016510
17:22:24 <bcotton_> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/564
17:22:25 <bcotton_> #info Accepted Blocker, PackageKit, ON_QA
17:23:10 <adamw> fixed in the main. we found some corner cases where things can still get stuck, but everyone broadly agrees it's good enough to ship i believe
17:23:27 <bcotton_> well we'll find out, won't we? :-)
17:23:28 <lruzicka2> yeah, I agree.
17:24:09 <SumantroMukherje> I agree too
17:24:10 <bcotton_> let's look at the last couple of blockers and then make waive decisions
17:24:17 <bcotton_> #topic (2016613) When running anaconda on Wayland with two keyboard layouts configured, hitting any modifier key with the second layout selected switches to the first layout
17:24:19 <bcotton_> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2016613
17:24:20 <bcotton_> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/566
17:24:22 <bcotton_> #info Accepted Blocker, anaconda, NEW
17:24:48 <adamw> so, i'd suggest we waive this as it's behaved this way basically forever and there's no realistic way of fixing it for f35
17:24:51 <ahmedalmeleh> I'm working on the wiki as we speak
17:24:59 <Eighth_Doctor> I'm fine with waiving it
17:24:59 <lruzicka2> not easy to fix, I think waive +1
17:25:06 <Southern_Gentlem> +1wave
17:25:09 <Eighth_Doctor> should probably mark as CommonBug and tell people though
17:25:12 <adamw> the reasonable way to fix it is to port anaconda to a keyboard layout library that works with wayland, but that's not something to do in the middle of final freeze
17:25:12 <SumantroMukherje> Waive +1
17:25:24 <StephenGallagher> +1 waive
17:25:25 <Eighth_Doctor> Anaconda may never get ported
17:25:26 <adamw> yeah, someone throw a CommonBugs tag at it
17:25:31 <nirik> +1 waive
17:25:33 <copperi[m]1> +1 waive
17:25:40 <Eighth_Doctor> after all, we've been Wayland native since F25 for Workstation and still nobody did it
17:25:42 <adamw> Conan Kudo: it is already planned to happen hopefully for 36
17:25:45 <bcotton_> #info Maintainers say this can't be fixed easily
17:25:49 * Eighth_Doctor snorts
17:26:02 <Eighth_Doctor> we'll see how that goes
17:26:18 <mboddu> +1 waive
17:26:18 <bcotton_> okay, and last-but-not-least, we have a 0-day blocker
17:26:20 <bcotton_> #topic (2016253) wireplumber not enabled automatically
17:26:22 <bcotton_> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2016253
17:26:23 <bcotton_> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/567
17:26:25 <bcotton_> #info Accepted 0-day Blocker, wireplumber, MODIFIED
17:26:28 <Eighth_Doctor> that should have landed already
17:26:38 * bcotton_ taps the "let's look at the last couple of blockers and then make waive decisions" sign :-)
17:26:38 <Eighth_Doctor> I recall Adam got that spun into the latest RC
17:26:59 <mattdm> can, uh, someone define '0-day blocker' for me?
17:27:16 <Eighth_Doctor> it means that it needs to land when we release the floodgates and allow GUI upgrades
17:27:16 <nirik> bcotton_: we don't follow directions very well. ;)
17:27:22 <bcotton_> i believe the definition is "we solemnly swear it will be fixed by 1400 UTC tuesday"
17:27:31 <bcotton_> nirik: that's why they pay me the big bucks :-)
17:27:32 <adamw> well, neal's fix for this is in rc2 and would be pushed stable, yes
17:27:33 <nirik> mattdm: must be available as an update before release.
17:27:46 <mattdm> How do we control "must"?
17:27:50 <adamw> but recent feedback on the bug suggests it may not actually be the problem we thought it was
17:27:54 <adamw> mattdm: pinky swears.
17:28:03 <mattdm> works for me :)
17:28:19 <ahmedalmeleh> is it looking like a no go for nov 2?
17:28:26 <Eighth_Doctor> we should ask the DNF people about figuring out how to get fedora-release packages to be early in upgrade transactions
17:28:27 <Eighth_Doctor> this whackamole sucks
17:28:28 <adamw> ahmedalmeleh: no.
17:28:43 <adamw> Conan Kudo: msuchy's feedback suggests the ordering might not be the issue
17:28:51 <ahmedalmeleh> Thats good news
17:28:55 <adamw> but we need to dig into that more
17:29:06 * Eighth_Doctor shrugs
17:29:16 <Eighth_Doctor> I couldn't reproduce it myself, I went off of theory to try to make a fix
17:29:24 <Eighth_Doctor> based on what others told me
17:29:35 <adamw> still, even if the real case is "something wacky is happening on upgrade from long ago", that's still not release blocking as we specifically exclude those scenarios from the criteria as it's just too hard to guarantee
17:29:37 <bcotton_> adamw: so how do we feel about this being "fixed enough"? because if we're not confident in it, my willingness to waive other bugs starts shrinking
17:30:18 <adamw> bcotton_: fairly confident. we fixed the theoretical case that could violate the criteria. it's possible there's a different problem, but if so, it seems likely it's not criterion-breaking.
17:30:32 <ahmedalmeleh> I agree
17:30:37 <adamw> we should continue to investigate it and try to fix it, though.
17:30:59 <Eighth_Doctor> fwiw, my systems are mostly aged with multiple upgrades and they were fine
17:30:59 <adamw> (we'll need to install something old and upgrade it, which will be fun)
17:31:01 <Eighth_Doctor> so...
17:31:08 <bcotton_> #info RC2 (and the stable repo come release day) contains a fix for the case that could violate the criteria. There may be a different problem, but it's unlikely to violate the release criteria
17:31:08 <Eighth_Doctor> it's tricky and hard to repro
17:31:20 <adamw> mine is too, but i upgraded early in cycle when we knew it was broken, so i fixed it up manually
17:31:22 <adamw> so that's not useful
17:31:58 <lruzicka2> adamw, same with my machines. Now, I totally do not have an idea what apps I should install before upgrading to break ti
17:32:15 <bcotton_> #topic Blocker waiver decision
17:32:31 <bcotton_> #info 2 accepted blockers remain unfixed
17:32:40 <bcotton_> #info (2018271) fedora-release-identity-cloud says "Cloud Edition", Cloud has not been an edition for years
17:32:50 <bcotton_> #info (2016613) When running anaconda on Wayland with two keyboard layouts configured, hitting any modifier key with the second layout selected switches to the first layout
17:33:10 <StephenGallagher> ⛵️
17:33:19 <bcotton_> i was seeing a lot of folks in favor of waiving both of these. does anyone want to make a case for NOT waiving them?
17:33:32 <adamw> i'm okay with waiving both
17:33:32 <nirik> 🌊em
17:33:32 <mboddu> SHIP IT!
17:33:34 <Eighth_Doctor> 🚢
17:33:36 <Southern_Gentlem> +1 wave
17:33:38 <lruzicka2> Sting: "Love is the seventh waive"
17:33:51 <StephenGallagher> 👋
17:33:52 <adamw> "cloud edition" on the basis that it was discovered very late (i.e. half an hour ago) and isn't super serious, nobody is gonna die, it's a branding issue
17:33:54 <SumantroMukherje> 🚢
17:33:57 <mattdm> 🚣‍♀️
17:34:11 <bcotton_> proposed #agreed BZ 2018271 and 2016613 are waived under the "late blocker" and "difficult to fix" exceptions, respectively
17:34:13 <copperi[m]1> 🚣‍♀️
17:34:14 <lruzicka2> "could edition" could be fixed with an update any time
17:34:16 <adamw> keyboard layout on the basis it's a pre-existing issue and not realistically fixable within the constraints of the schedule
17:34:19 <lruzicka2> ack
17:34:28 <Southern_Gentlem> ack
17:34:30 <mboddu> 🌊 them and then ⛵️ it!
17:34:31 <SumantroMukherje> Ack
17:34:33 <copperi[m]1> ack
17:34:35 <StephenGallagher> lruzicka2: That's not *strictly* true, for weird reasons.
17:34:53 <adamw> lruzicka2: yeah, of course if some cloud provider uses the stable release images and doesn't pick up updated ones it'd still be there when you boot one of their instances, i guess.
17:34:55 <StephenGallagher> Though you probably wouldn'
17:35:02 <StephenGallagher> t actually see the remaining instances
17:35:18 <nirik> ack
17:35:23 <adamw> we already want to get updated cloud instances out to include the aarch64 hang bug fix, i think, so this is two reasons to do it
17:35:24 <adamw> ack
17:35:27 <mattdm> Also we need to advertise any such change in advance, because people might be scripting off of the pretty name even though they shouldn't be.
17:35:30 <lruzicka2> adamw, StephenGallagher: ok, I see
17:35:33 <ahmedalmeleh> Wiki editions I done
17:35:44 <StephenGallagher> I was thinking of the fact that GRUB would display it in the kernels that were installed prior to the fix.
17:35:51 <StephenGallagher> But 🤷
17:36:03 <bcotton_> #agreed BZ 2018271 and 2016613 are waived under the "late blocker" and "difficult to fix" exceptions, respectively
17:36:14 <bcotton_> #info All accepted blockers are fixed or waived
17:36:26 <bcotton_> #topic Current status - test matrices
17:36:27 <adamw> ahmedalmeleh: thanks a lot! i'll tweak the links and stuff in a bit
17:36:27 <bcotton_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_35_Test_Results
17:37:18 <adamw> Stephen Gallagher: well, if we send out updated base images they won't have that, right?
17:37:19 <StephenGallagher> Correct
17:37:19 <adamw> test coverage is excellent (I think we might actually be at 100%)
17:37:24 <ahmedalmeleh> I think the coreos, sb, IoT don't have wiki pages yet
17:37:25 * bcotton_ faints
17:37:35 <adamw> all failures are accounted for
17:37:40 <adamw> so there's nothing to worry about
17:37:49 <adamw> only a few transfers from previous composes, all safe (areas that weren't touched)
17:37:59 <StephenGallagher> Can you say that into the mic again, adamw?
17:37:59 <nirik> what about sas drives or fakeraid? :)
17:38:08 <frantisekz> .hello2
17:38:09 <zodbot> frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' <fzatlouk@redhat.com>
17:38:09 <lruzicka2> frantisekz, too late
17:38:11 <adamw> Stephen Gallagher: no
17:38:12 <adamw> nirik: yes!
17:38:18 <bcotton_> we don't need to make sgallagh do a "quick" AD test?
17:38:31 <Eighth_Doctor> we already know AD doesn't work, right? :P
17:38:32 <adamw> nirik: read it and weep: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_35_RC_1.2_Installation#Storage_devices
17:38:33 <StephenGallagher> bcotton_: In fact, I did that just prior to the meeting
17:38:54 <bcotton_> #info Test coverage complete, with only a few transfers from previous composes
17:39:01 * nirik cries in joy
17:39:08 <adamw> lnie++ for weird storage device testing
17:39:10 <zodbot> adamw: Karma for lnie changed to 3 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:39:23 <bcotton_> Being serious for once in my life: great work, QA team. I don't remember having full coverage in....a while
17:39:27 <bcotton_> lnie++
17:39:27 <zodbot> bcotton_: Karma for lnie changed to 4 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:39:38 <Southern_Gentlem> lnie++
17:39:40 <bcotton_> any questions on the test coverage?
17:39:42 <adamw> bcotton_: it's amazing what happens when the RC is built more than five hours before the meeting, huh :P
17:39:43 <mattdm> Yay all!
17:39:46 <nirik> may have delayed a bit, but it's solid!
17:39:49 <SumantroMukherje> lnie++
17:39:59 <copperi> inie++
17:40:07 <adamw> big thanks to SIG/WG folks who contributed testing, especially sgallagh, pwhalen and the cloud folks
17:40:18 <mattdm> sgallagh++
17:40:18 <zodbot> mattdm: Karma for sgallagh changed to 7 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:40:19 <pwhalen> IoT is also done - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora-IoT_35_RC_20211021.0_Summary
17:40:23 <mattdm> pwhalen++
17:40:23 <zodbot> mattdm: Karma for pwhalen changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:40:27 <lruzicka2> StephenGallagher++
17:40:34 <lruzicka2> pwhalen++
17:40:35 <bcotton_> pwhalen++
17:40:38 <bcotton_> sgallagh++
17:40:43 <coremodule> pwhalen++
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17:40:47 <adamw> i actually kinda wish we could do an RC3 to sneak three FE fixes in, but oh well
17:40:48 <StephenGallagher> pwhalen++
17:40:49 <bt0> pwhalen++
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17:40:50 <lruzicka2> cloud_folks++
17:40:50 <SumantroMukherje> Big thanks to Dusty and team for getting FCOS tested a part of test week!!
17:41:00 <bcotton_> dustymabe++
17:41:02 <coremodule> sgallagh++
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17:41:04 <nirik> kudos to all
17:41:05 <bt0> sgallagh++
17:41:05 <zodbot> bt0: Karma for sgallagh changed to 9 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:41:08 <mboddu> adamw++ pwhalen++
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17:41:14 <lruzicka2> sgallagh++
17:41:16 <mboddu> sgallagh++
17:41:17 <zodbot> mboddu: Karma for sgallagh changed to 10 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:41:20 <bt0> adamw++
17:41:20 <zodbot> bt0: Karma for adamwill changed to 7 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:41:26 <bcotton_> okay great let's take a look at our RC
17:41:33 <bcotton_> #topic Current status - RC
17:41:33 <StephenGallagher> adamw++
17:41:37 <StephenGallagher> kparal++
17:41:38 <bcotton_> #info RC2 is the current RC
17:41:42 <ahmedalmeleh> Ok
17:42:04 <mboddu> kparal++ frantisekz++ lnie++ sumantrom++
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17:42:24 <bcotton_> mboddu, nirik how does RC2 look? any missing artifacts?
17:42:34 <bt0> sumantrom++
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17:42:35 <mboddu> Nope
17:42:36 <nirik> nope. it had everything.
17:42:50 <mattdm> \o/
17:42:54 <mboddu> bcotton_: All of the images were composed
17:43:05 <mattdm> is this also a record? :)
17:43:08 <bcotton_> #info RC2 contains all expected artifacts
17:43:11 <nirik> might well be.
17:43:14 <bcotton_> mattdm: no, we've done this a few times recently
17:43:20 <mboddu> mattdm: Nope, we had a couple before
17:43:24 <nirik> on final releases?
17:43:36 <mboddu> nirik: Yup, I remember 33 having all the images
17:43:40 <copperi[m]1> 👍️
17:43:47 <mattdm> we're getting good at this!
17:43:49 <bcotton_> for f36, should i put an early early release milestone so that we can do this again, but on time? :-)
17:44:07 <lruzicka2> bcotton_, sure ... let's do it
17:44:16 <bcotton_> okay, well i guess it's time for the fateful moment....
17:44:23 <SumantroMukherje> Ben Cotton (he/him/his) sure!
17:44:31 <bcotton_> #topic Go/No-Go decision
17:44:33 <bcotton_> I will poll each team. Please reply “go” or “no-go”
17:44:40 <bcotton_> FESCo?
17:44:44 <mboddu> Go
17:44:45 <nirik> go!
17:44:53 <ahmedalmeleh> Go!
17:45:00 <bcotton_> #info FESCo is GO
17:45:04 <bcotton_> Releng?
17:45:06 <ahmedalmeleh> Good good
17:45:08 <mboddu> Oh, now I can vote for FESCo and RelEng :D
17:45:09 <mboddu> Go
17:45:12 <bcotton_> #info RelEng is GO
17:45:18 <bcotton_> QA?
17:45:19 <lruzicka2> Go!
17:45:26 <SumantroMukherje> Go!!!
17:45:28 <bcotton_> #info QA is GO
17:45:30 <ahmedalmeleh> Go!
17:45:31 <StephenGallagher> 🛳️
17:45:33 <ahmedalmeleh> I'm in QA
17:45:36 <bcotton_> #agreed Fedora Linux 35 Final is GO
17:45:37 <bcotton_> #info Fedora Linux 35 Final will release on target date #2 (2021-11-02)
17:45:43 <bcotton_> #action bcotton to announce decision
17:45:49 <mattdm> YES
17:45:50 <bcotton_> #topic Open floor
17:45:52 <bcotton_> Anything else we need to discuss before closing?
17:45:56 <mattdm> You all are AWESOME
17:45:58 <ahmedalmeleh> Best result
17:46:09 <mattdm> Discuss awesomeness of everyone.
17:46:13 <lruzicka2> Helloween Release :D
17:46:18 <copperi[m]1> mattdm: cool
17:46:21 <Leo[m]1234> yay!! :D
17:46:22 <mboddu> lruzicka2: Lol
17:46:22 <ahmedalmeleh> nickname it
17:46:23 <nirik> everything is awesome</logo movie>
17:46:32 * eddiejennings cheers.
17:46:36 <bcotton_> .fire nirik for getting that song in my head
17:46:36 <zodbot> adamw fires nirik for getting that song in my head
17:46:37 <nirik> (except my typing, lego)
17:46:45 * Leo[m]1234 cheers
17:47:06 <mboddu> Awesome job everyone!
17:47:06 * nirik goes to feed cats before the next meeting.
17:47:13 <adamw> thanks everyone!
17:47:21 <adamw> great job
17:47:30 <ahmedalmeleh> see you
17:47:36 <AmitVerma> Kudos to all jubilant
17:47:42 <Leo[m]1234> \o/
17:47:42 <copperi[m]1> Thanks adamw
17:47:44 <SumantroMukherje> Thanks everyone!!
17:47:46 <mboddu> We did beat a record though, first not on time release under bcotton_ :P
17:48:00 <mattdm> ouch
17:48:11 * mboddu hides from bcotton_
17:48:16 <lruzicka2> that hurt :)
17:48:19 <mattdm> We have carefully-crafted excuses in the release annoucnement ready to go
17:48:20 <bcotton_> i already got my promotion. no takebacks
17:48:33 <lruzicka2> bcotton_, ROFL
17:48:52 <bt0> bcotton++
17:48:52 <copperi[m]1> bcotton++
17:49:00 <mboddu> bcotton++
17:49:00 <zodbot> mboddu: Karma for bcotton changed to 15 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:49:01 <adamw> let us all remember the most important of people, the excuse-crafters
17:49:04 <bcotton_> okay, i'm going to wrap this up so i can send my favorite email
17:49:05 <ahmedalmeleh> Yep Mr Fedora Program Manager
17:49:22 <bcotton_> thanks for all of your hard work folks. let's do this again in 6 months!
17:49:25 <bcotton_> #endmeeting