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05:30:30 <vishalvvr> #meetingname i18n
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05:30:36 <vishalvvr> #topic agenda and roll call
05:30:52 <vishalvvr> Hi :)
05:31:04 <tagoh> Hi
05:31:06 <fujiwara> hi
05:31:07 <pwu> hi
05:31:20 <vishalvvr> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2021-08-23
05:32:46 <vishalvvr> #chair tagoh fujiwara pwu
05:32:46 <zodbot_> Current chairs: fujiwara pwu tagoh vishalvvr
05:32:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: fujiwara pwu tagoh vishalvvr
05:33:10 <juhp> hello
05:33:22 <vishalvvr> #chair juhp
05:33:22 <zodbot_> Current chairs: fujiwara juhp pwu tagoh vishalvvr
05:33:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: fujiwara juhp pwu tagoh vishalvvr
05:33:44 <vishalvvr> Today priyam could not join the meeting so i am chairing this meeting :)
05:34:03 <vishalvvr> I hope everyone is doing well :)
05:34:27 <juhp> vishalvvr: thanks
05:34:48 <vishalvvr> Lets start with today's meeting.
05:34:56 <suanand> hi ..
05:35:05 <vishalvvr> #chair suanand
05:35:05 <zodbot_> Current chairs: fujiwara juhp pwu suanand tagoh vishalvvr
05:35:05 <zodbot> Current chairs: fujiwara juhp pwu suanand tagoh vishalvvr
05:35:13 <vishalvvr> #topic Upcoming schedule
05:35:23 <vishalvvr> #info 2021-08-24 Bodhi updates-testing activation point
05:35:28 <vishalvvr> #info 2021-08-24 Change Checkpoint: 100% Code Complete Deadline
05:35:34 <vishalvvr> #info 2021-08-24 Beta Freeze (starts at 1400 UTC)
05:35:39 <vishalvvr> #info 2021-09-14 Beta Release Public Availability
05:35:44 <vishalvvr> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-35/f-35-key-tasks.html
05:35:51 <vishalvvr> anyone has any upcoming schedule to be mentioned here?
05:36:41 <juhp> Just reminder that updates-testing starts from tomorrow
05:36:56 <juhp> for f35
05:36:59 * mfabian_ 🌊 🌊
05:38:16 <vishalvvr> juhp, right
05:38:45 <vishalvvr> cool then lets move onto next agenda item if nothing more to discuss here.
05:39:26 <vishalvvr> #topic issues
05:39:32 <vishalvvr> #info #136: Fedora 35 i18n test day
05:39:38 <vishalvvr> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/136
05:40:08 <vishalvvr> I see parag has already created a testday page
05:40:11 <vishalvvr> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2021-09-07_I18N_Test_Day
05:41:01 <juhp> We are going to review the test cases this week and next I think
05:41:28 <vishalvvr> juhp, yes
05:42:38 <vishalvvr> we have it in plan but not yet scheduled
05:42:53 <vishalvvr> will talk with priyam and get it scheduled
05:44:11 <vishalvvr> okay if nothing more to discuss here then lets move onto next ticket
05:44:36 <vishalvvr> #info #140: Get locale user stats using DNF Countme
05:44:41 <vishalvvr> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/140
05:44:50 <vishalvvr> This is just an idea to get locale user stats for fedora workstation.
05:45:02 <vishalvvr> I have mentioned few usecases where this stats will be helpful in the ticket, but before proceding i need everyone's openion about this idea.
05:47:35 <juhp> +1
05:49:02 <juhp> I was hoping to hear other comments
05:49:20 <juhp> I think it is an interesting idea and would like to see it happen if possible
05:49:37 <juhp> Any idea about the implementation ease?
05:50:18 <vishalvvr> juhp, nope i haven't figured it out at the moment.
05:50:27 <juhp> I guess in the same way that the server counts dnf updates it could also count locales
05:50:55 <juhp> That way it would not have to store any individual data
05:51:14 <juhp> Good to have a look
05:51:30 <vishalvvr> right, that is my initial thinking but need to check if it is feasible solution
05:51:57 <juhp> (obviously we are not going to start implementing it now, but it helps to understand the solution space)
05:52:11 <vishalvvr> juhp +1
05:53:07 <tagoh> interesting. maybe input method lang too? if they want to use en locale anyway?
05:53:09 <juhp> There's the political and technical sides I think - the lower the barrier to both - the easier it would be to adopt perhaps
05:54:16 <juhp> tagoh: interesting thought
05:54:56 <juhp> though not sure how
05:56:32 <vishalvvr> tagoh +1
05:57:14 <vishalvvr> i am open to all sorts of feedback and suggestion on the ticket :)
05:58:34 <vishalvvr> If nothing more to discuss here, then lets move onto next ticket
05:59:11 <vishalvvr> #info #139: brainstorming for i18n-Podcast
05:59:16 <vishalvvr> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/139
05:59:20 <vishalvvr> Our podcast ticket is back!!
05:59:43 <juhp> Yeah it was back last time :)
05:59:48 <vishalvvr> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-podcast/issue/55
06:00:30 <juhp> I plan to update the draft doc and see what happens - I think we want to focus more on our Fedora i18n Changes
06:00:41 <juhp> Hope it could still be in season 2
06:01:02 <juhp> update now
06:01:06 <vishalvvr> juhp +1
06:02:41 <vishalvvr> Anything more to discuss here in this ticket?
06:03:32 <vishalvvr> okay, then moving onto next ticket
06:03:37 <vishalvvr> #info #137: Docs Beats for Fedora 35
06:03:43 <vishalvvr> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/137
06:04:27 <vishalvvr> anything to discuss here?
06:06:11 <juhp> When is final freeze?
06:06:32 <vishalvvr> Tue 2021-10-05
06:06:39 <vishalvvr> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-35/f-35-key-tasks.html
06:07:10 <juhp> I don't think we should wait so long to write relnotes... also rush at the end
06:08:08 <juhp> s/also/always/
06:09:54 <vishalvvr> Okay lets move onto next ticket if nothing more to discuss here.
06:10:24 <juhp> I added a comment
06:10:46 <vishalvvr> juhp++
06:10:50 <vishalvvr> juhp ++
06:11:46 <vishalvvr> #info #135: Fedora 33 Bug triaging
06:11:52 <vishalvvr> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/135
06:11:58 <vishalvvr> Today's bug count is 36.
06:12:14 <vishalvvr> There is stardict bug which is currently assigned to pravin
06:12:19 <vishalvvr> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1964374
06:13:15 <juhp> Yea I know
06:13:31 <juhp> Are all your bugs really F33 only?
06:13:37 <vishalvvr> is the bug being fixed or need to be reassigned?
06:14:11 <juhp> I don't know who wants to maintain it...
06:14:30 <juhp> We could start by asking pravins
06:14:49 <juhp> pwu: ?
06:15:10 <vishalvvr> my bug 1013949, 1084493 are fixed long ago also qe did triage the bug but till open
06:15:24 <juhp> vishalvvr: please close then...
06:15:34 <vishalvvr> juhp, sure
06:15:38 <juhp> It is primarily our job to close our own bugs
06:16:04 <vishalvvr> s/till/still
06:16:32 <pwu> https://sourceforge.net/projects/stardict/
06:16:49 <pwu> Now that the original StarDict project is gone, we could use its former url to publish a list of the alternatives which its users could migrate to instead.
06:17:32 <juhp> I think I reported a few of the bugs - so I will look over those too
06:18:32 <juhp> pwu: ah yeah there is goldendict now?
06:19:00 <juhp> pwu: rather we should retire stardict if it isn't already
06:19:17 <pwu> I find goldendict in koji.
06:19:26 <pwu> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=10234
06:19:30 <juhp> Seems stardict still builds.. ;)
06:19:33 <juhp> yes
06:20:32 <juhp> I think goldendict could obsolete stardict
06:20:57 <pwu> maybe
06:21:33 <juhp> Anyway  stardict is a low priority
06:21:46 <pwu> right
06:24:12 <vishalvvr> Anything else to be discussed in this ticket?
06:25:08 <juhp> goldendict also looks unmaintained, shrug
06:25:10 <juhp> 1.5.0-RC2
06:25:34 <pwu> Aha
06:28:15 <juhp> Out of time :)
06:28:30 <vishalvvr> :)
06:28:45 <vishalvvr> okay lets move onto next ticket then
06:28:53 <vishalvvr> #info #134: Tracker for Fedora 35 Changes
06:28:58 <vishalvvr> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/134
06:29:21 <vishalvvr> any update on this ticket?
06:30:03 <juhp> fujiwara: I see ibus-1.5.25 is in Fedora now?
06:30:29 <fujiwara> Right
06:30:41 <juhp> cool
06:31:22 <juhp> dunno is anything more left for Inscript2?
06:31:34 <juhp> mfabian_: do you know?
06:31:55 <mfabian_> Hm.
06:32:14 <mfabian_> I think some icons are not found.
06:32:15 <juhp> Anyway I believe largely done
06:32:24 <juhp> Okay right
06:33:03 <juhp> fujiwara: anything you want to add about the Change?
06:33:09 <mfabian_> Like pa-inscript2-guru.mim contains (input-method pa inscript2) so it looks for a pa-inscript2.png which doesn't exist.
06:33:31 <juhp> Maybe report a bug - but probably paragan knows?
06:34:10 <fujiwara> Currently no-overview extension does not work with koji CI under the investigation. If you have a plan to update f35 ime, please let me know it and I will change GNOME CI to mutter one as the workaround.
06:34:16 <mfabian_> /usr/share/m17n/icons/pa-inscript2-guru.png exists though, so either the icon file should be renamed or the .mim file  should contain (input-method pa inscript2-guru)
06:34:30 <mfabian_> I think parag knows.
06:34:33 <juhp> A side note: I think I have said this in the past - I really feel we should have a separate i18n ticket for each Change
06:35:15 <mfabian_> Changing the input method name to (input-method pa inscript2-guru) seems nicer,  **but** it means that the input method name has to be changed again in gnome etc ..
06:35:30 <juhp> Hmm I see
06:36:00 <mfabian_> So changing the icon file names is the easy way, good enough maybe.
06:36:50 <juhp> Alright we can discuss more offline
06:37:30 <vishalvvr> okay, should we then move onto next ticket?
06:37:39 <juhp> vishalvvr: let's move on
06:37:56 <vishalvvr> #info #131: review/update @fonts group default packages: non-language specific extra fonts etc
06:38:01 <vishalvvr> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/131
06:38:16 <juhp> I just left this open FYI since some people were away last time
06:38:48 <juhp> tagoh: the focus will move next to Noto default for F36 hopefully?
06:39:09 <juhp> Does anyone have any last comments on the ticket before we close it out?
06:39:38 <tagoh> juhp, Yep, I think so.
06:40:00 <juhp> But for this ticket we didn't get adobe-code-source-pro-fonts change in
06:40:02 <tagoh> We may still use Source Code Pro for mono though
06:40:12 <juhp> We shall see
06:40:46 <juhp> Okay thanks
06:41:32 <tagoh> But in general, we may have Noto for all generic families by default perhaps. and some custom fonts in GNOME as we did for Cantarell.
06:41:49 <juhp> I would prefer to go all out for Noto if we can :-)
06:41:57 <tagoh> yep
06:42:06 <juhp> At least using the Noto Sans UI fonts seems attractive for i18n
06:42:27 <juhp> I guess font footprint may be another consideration we have to see
06:42:37 <tagoh> No Noto Sans UI anymore but Noto Sans Display but anyway
06:42:50 <juhp> Ah right, thank you, good point
06:43:02 <juhp> which still confuses me
06:43:21 <juhp> Display is not for UI?
06:43:24 <tagoh> Right.. we may need to figure out how amount of the size we will have.
06:43:36 <tagoh> it is a kinda header font
06:46:04 <juhp> I see
06:46:20 <juhp> I wonder how Google uses them
06:46:31 <tagoh> No idea
06:46:58 <juhp> ChromeOS etc
06:49:51 <vishalvvr> Anything more to discuss here in this ticket?
06:49:57 <juhp> nope
06:50:05 <juhp> I closed it :-)
06:50:20 <vishalvvr> Thank you juhp
06:50:22 <vishalvvr> #topic Open Floor
06:50:41 <juhp> We are already over time but I have one question
06:50:50 <juhp> How do we generate the agenda these days?
06:51:06 <juhp> I think it would be better to list the tickets in ticket number order?
06:51:32 <juhp> Not sure how they are ordered no
06:51:35 <juhp> now
06:51:54 <vishalvvr> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/blob/main/f/meeting/create-meeting-boilerplate.rb
06:52:16 <juhp> It seems to me the order was better in the past - maybe something changed?
06:52:55 <juhp> tagoh: any ideas?
06:53:16 <juhp> Otherwise I can just open a ticket for later
06:53:46 <tagoh> let me check later
06:53:48 <juhp> I feel we should try to fix this - currently the order seems kind of random
06:53:53 <juhp> Thank you!
06:53:55 <juhp> tagoh++
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06:55:02 <vishalvvr> me and mfabian_ were working on website revamp of ibus-typing-booster
06:55:08 <vishalvvr> #link https://ibus-typing-booster.netlify.app
06:55:32 <vishalvvr> any feedback :)
06:55:54 <mfabian_> It looks great.
06:56:05 <mfabian_> Thank you Vishal!
06:56:12 <vishalvvr> :)
06:56:55 <juhp> https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/141
06:57:14 <tagoh> Thanks
06:57:16 <suanand> petersen++ vishalvvr++
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06:57:46 <vishalvvr> I think we are overtime, maybe i close the meeting :)
06:58:11 <juhp> thanks
06:58:14 <vishalvvr> Thank you all for joining this meeting
06:58:24 <vishalvvr> #endmeeting