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05:30:22 <tagoh> hi
05:30:25 <vishalvvr> #topic agenda and roll call
05:30:30 <paragan> Hi
05:30:35 <suanand> hi
05:30:36 <vishalvvr> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2021-06-28
05:31:01 <vishalvvr> #chair tagoh paragan suanand
05:31:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: paragan suanand tagoh vishalvvr
05:31:31 <pwu> hi
05:32:17 <juhp> hello
05:32:30 <vishalvvr> #chair pwu juhp
05:32:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: juhp paragan pwu suanand tagoh vishalvvr
05:33:10 <vishalvvr> Today priyam could not join the meeting, so i am chairing today's meeting :)
05:33:20 <vishalvvr> lets start with today's meeting.
05:34:01 <vishalvvr> #topic Upcoming schedule
05:34:10 <vishalvvr> #info 2021-06-29 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Changes requiring mass rebuild)
05:34:17 <vishalvvr> #info 2021-06-29 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes)
05:34:23 <vishalvvr> #info 2021-07-20 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Self Contained Changes)
05:34:30 <vishalvvr> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-35/f-35-key-tasks.html
05:34:54 <vishalvvr> anyone has any upcoming schedule to be mentioned here?
05:35:48 <paragan> nothing just keep noted Change deadlines
05:35:59 <paragan> we will discuss about Change submission in its own ticket
05:36:23 <vishalvvr> okay, then lets move onto next topic then
05:36:35 <vishalvvr> #topic issues
05:36:42 <vishalvvr> #info #133: Transtats in fedora planning
05:36:46 <vishalvvr> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/133
05:37:12 <vishalvvr> suanand, any update or progress on this ticket ?
05:37:31 <suanand> #info latest release 0.8.4 has been deployed: https://transtats.fedoraproject.org/
05:37:31 <suanand> moreover, Transtats is ready for f35 https://transtats.fedoraproject.org/releases/view/fedora-35
05:37:55 <suanand> Planning to start work on mentioned ticket, this qtr .
05:38:09 <vishalvvr> suanand ++
05:38:18 <vishalvvr> suanand++
05:38:18 <zodbot> vishalvvr: Karma for suanand changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
05:38:50 <paragan> suanand++
05:40:39 <vishalvvr> Thanks for the update suanand, do we have anything more to discuss in this ticket ?
05:40:41 <juhp> Cool
05:41:45 <vishalvvr> okay then moving onto next ticket
05:41:57 <vishalvvr> #info #132: refresh I18N/Fonts
05:42:03 <vishalvvr> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/132
05:42:16 <tagoh> No updates on it this time.
05:42:52 <tagoh> will take a look more next month.
05:43:30 <vishalvvr> okay, lets keep working on the wiki update and we will visit this ticket next time :)
05:43:42 <tagoh> Yep
05:44:44 <vishalvvr> moving onto next ticket
05:44:54 <vishalvvr> #info #139: brainstorming for i18n-Podcast
05:45:00 <vishalvvr> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/139
05:45:20 <juhp> I posted a comment on the podcast pagure ticket
05:45:31 <vishalvvr> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-podcast/issue/43
05:45:42 <juhp> I thought it would be good to talk to them first... has anyone listed to any of the podcasts so far?
05:45:59 <juhp> I heard Chris Murphy did one recently which is rolling out
05:46:07 <juhp> listened to *
05:46:26 <juhp> I didn't find time yet to listen
05:46:38 <vishalvvr> i always want to but forget about it :P
05:46:43 <juhp> Nod
05:47:17 <juhp> The AM radio of the internet :-)
05:47:26 <vishalvvr> will definitely listen to it this week :)
05:47:32 <juhp> I will try too
05:48:22 <juhp> Not sure but the podcast might be more in the Americas but I could be wrong?
05:48:30 <juhp> podcast team
05:48:46 <juhp> But it should be possible
05:49:04 <juhp> Any other thoughts or suggestions?
05:50:16 <vishalvvr> juhp do you have any notes, slides or any pointer already prepared for the session?
05:50:17 <juhp> I didn't have a time to flesh out the questions more either - but listening to one or two podcasts at least should give an idea of the style
05:50:26 <juhp> Not particularly
05:50:42 <vishalvvr> maybe we all can review or a demo talk would help
05:52:02 <vishalvvr> This seems to be so easy but it is not :P
05:52:49 <juhp> Ya I don't have much experience but it sounds fun at least - I think it is pretty informal will not be very technical, so ya
05:53:03 <juhp> Maybe we can discuss more off-line
05:53:17 <vishalvvr> juhp +1
05:53:57 <vishalvvr> okay so moving onto next ticket
05:54:06 <vishalvvr> #info #135: Fedora 33 Bug triaging
05:54:12 <vishalvvr> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/135
05:54:56 <vishalvvr> i can see 49 open ticket toady
05:55:51 <vishalvvr> okay lets keep working on it guys and get the count low.
05:56:15 <vishalvvr> any specific bug to be discussed here ?
05:57:34 <vishalvvr> s/toady/today
05:58:00 <juhp> There is a kde bug about installing ibus-table
05:58:14 <juhp> or rather rfe
05:58:51 <juhp> Ah I see mfabian was already over it :-)
06:00:22 <juhp> Ok nvm
06:01:08 <vishalvvr> lets move onto next ticket if nothing more to discuss
06:01:32 <juhp> Yes I think many of us have a few bugs to triage there
06:03:01 <vishalvvr> #info #134: Tracker for Fedora 35 Changes
06:03:07 <vishalvvr> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/134
06:04:29 <vishalvvr> anything to update here ?
06:05:53 <juhp> I think paragan posted a change
06:06:04 <juhp> for final Inscript2
06:06:05 <paragan> yes I added link there
06:06:16 <paragan> let me add here also
06:06:18 <vishalvvr> what are your thoughts removing myspell dir and use hunspell
06:06:25 <paragan> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Enhanced_Inscript_as_default_Indic_IM
06:06:28 <vishalvvr> and create sym link to myspell
06:06:32 <juhp> I also heard fujiwara is planning Change related to ibus
06:07:06 <juhp> vishalvvr: I think it is a good idea and we could combine with the encoding change too
06:07:39 <vishalvvr> okay
06:07:54 <juhp> Though that might need cooperation from package owners and/or ProvenPackager to achieve
06:08:45 <juhp> mfabian and paragan any interest?
06:09:11 <juhp> Then maybe we could revisit nuspell for F36 or later?
06:09:51 <juhp> It would be good to draft a Change proposal seen if we want to do that
06:09:54 <juhp> soon
06:10:50 <vishalvvr> true
06:11:08 <vishalvvr> any more thoughts/suggestion on the same?
06:11:44 <juhp> Alternatively we could target F36 but as such the changes are quite small and probably combining them would reduce the overall amount of work
06:12:01 <juhp> I mean directory change and encoding
06:12:32 <juhp> How about drafting a Change and gathering forces? :)
06:12:48 <vishalvvr> juhp +1
06:13:19 <juhp> Dunno if this would be SystemWide Change though?
06:13:24 <juhp> Perhaps?
06:13:53 <juhp> Cos then the submission deadline is tomorrow
06:13:59 <tagoh> how many packages is depending on it?
06:14:03 <paragan> I can help being proven packager
06:14:55 <juhp> Hmm
06:15:07 <juhp> $ pagure list hunspell-* | wc -l
06:15:09 <juhp> 121
06:16:15 <tagoh> But basically all the applications is accessing dictionaries through API right?
06:16:22 <juhp> Actually I dunno how the directory change affect dictionary packages
06:16:42 <juhp> I think so
06:16:56 <paragan> it should not I feel
06:18:00 <tagoh> then self-contained may be sufficient I suppose.
06:19:30 <juhp> I have no /usr/share/hunspell on my system
06:19:39 <juhp> So I can of wonder...
06:19:52 <juhp> * I kind of
06:20:10 <paragan> its myspell no?
06:20:19 <juhp> Indeed that is my point
06:21:17 <juhp> Well someone needs check/scope this
06:21:21 <juhp> on a few packages
06:21:42 <juhp> I forget how rpm handles renaming dirs to symlink for example
06:21:46 <paragan> that is what I suggested last time, we need minimal changed packages in Copr to test
06:21:57 <juhp> Yes that would be good
06:22:12 <juhp> Today really :-|
06:22:27 <juhp> Well maybe F36 is more realistic at this point
06:22:39 <vishalvvr> if someone could guide me on that then i can do it
06:23:05 <juhp> vishalvvr: well you just need to update some hunspell packages to use the new dir
06:23:10 <paragan> yeah it looks now F36 Change
06:23:19 <vishalvvr> juhp, okay
06:23:30 <juhp> Well ideally hunspell too to use it
06:23:53 <juhp> I think you are a bit familiar with that side from nuspell
06:25:06 <vishalvvr> juhp, yes
06:25:11 <juhp> hunspell-filesystem owns /usr/share/myspell
06:26:17 <juhp> Dunno if we could still target the encoding side of it - that could probably be SelfContained I feel
06:26:46 <juhp> and can be done progressively unlike the directory change perhaps
06:27:01 <juhp> Filing bugs might be a good start
06:27:29 <juhp> Anyone any idea how many dictionaries are not using UTF-8?
06:28:00 <juhp> Anyway we are running out of time...
06:28:49 <vishalvvr> okay sure let me file a bug for the same, and discuss in the next
06:28:57 <juhp> Thanks
06:29:26 <vishalvvr> moving onto next ticket
06:29:29 <vishalvvr> #info #131: review/update @fonts group default packages: non-language specific extra fonts etc
06:29:33 <vishalvvr> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/131
06:30:04 <juhp> Okay I posted earlier asking about pt-sans-fonts
06:30:19 <juhp> Let's see if any response
06:30:40 <vishalvvr> okay
06:31:13 <juhp> It is probably too late for Source Pro for F35 but maybe later we can bring it to the desktop/workstation for discussion
06:32:36 <vishalvvr> thanks for the update juhp, anything more to discuss in this ticket
06:33:56 <vishalvvr> okay then moving into next topic
06:33:59 <vishalvvr> #topic Open Floor
06:36:11 <vishalvvr> Let's close the meeting if nothing more to discuss
06:37:16 <vishalvvr> Thank you all for joining this meeting :)
06:37:24 <vishalvvr> #endmeeting